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FBS "Independence" Recommendation

IdaGriz01

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A commission of higher education administrators recommended Thursday that the Football Bowl Subdivision should be split from the NCAA and form its own system of governance.

Hardly any details in this link, but all we've got right now:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30444422/knight-commission-endorses-fbs-split-ncaa

Personally -- for a lot of reasons -- I think this is a non-starter. I see it more as an aggressive move in a game of chicken between the big boys and the NCAA. In chess, it would be called the "Danish Gambit."

No way the likes of Texas, Alabama, USC, etc. are going to go for a new "system of governance" that includes the likes of Ball State, Rice, UNLV, and New Mexico State.

To me, the elephant in the room is the whole "cost of attendance" issue. Obviously, there are plenty of others, but that one is about money -- big $$$. I can easily see that as the dividing line for a new top-tier division. Those who can afford to pay it without going totally bankrupt are in ... otherwise, "See ya!"
 
AZGrizFan said:
NDSU pays it. Are they “in”?
If they wanted to be.

Face it, they could be FBS any time they wanted to move up and could find a home. Trouble is, they would be unlikely to get a Power-5 invite, and therefore a chance at that version of a "national championship." Why give up the FCS NC system for a chance at some random lower-level bowl game?

I have no clue how this is going to play out ... not even a reasonable guess. But "business as usual (in the past" is most likely no longer an option.

Wife raised in interesting point: Full "cost of attendance" starts to look a whole like "pay to play," i.e., a salary. Would they have to pay taxes, or could it be made tax-exempt?
 
IdaGriz01 said:
AZGrizFan said:
NDSU pays it. Are they “in”?
If they wanted to be.

Face it, they could be FBS any time they wanted to move up and could find a home. Trouble is, they would be unlikely to get a Power-5 invite, and therefore a chance at that version of a "national championship." Why give up the FCS NC system for a chance at some random lower-level bowl game?

I have no clue how this is going to play out ... not even a reasonable guess. But "business as usual (in the past" is most likely no longer an option.

Wife raised in interesting point: Full "cost of attendance" starts to look a whole like "pay to play," i.e., a salary. Would they have to pay taxes, or could it be made tax-exempt?

95% of FBS programs have no shot at a national title in football. 98.5% of D1 basketball programs have no shot at a national title.


There are billions of reasons (and dollars) to play at the highest level.
 
EverettGriz said:
IdaGriz01 said:
If they wanted to be.

Face it, they could be FBS any time they wanted to move up and could find a home. Trouble is, they would be unlikely to get a Power-5 invite, and therefore a chance at that version of a "national championship." Why give up the FCS NC system for a chance at some random lower-level bowl game?

I have no clue how this is going to play out ... not even a reasonable guess. But "business as usual (in the past" is most likely no longer an option.

Wife raised in interesting point: Full "cost of attendance" starts to look a whole like "pay to play," i.e., a salary. Would they have to pay taxes, or could it be made tax-exempt?

95% of FBS programs have no shot at a national title in football. 98.5% of D1 basketball programs have no shot at a national title.


There are billions of reasons (and dollars) to play at the highest level.

Kinda the way I lean as well. If the concern is that you don't have a chance at the NC if you move up, why don't you just move down to DII so you can win 40 in a row? The response is often something like: "Because there isn't as much money in DII and the level of competition is lower." Hmmmmm. On the right track.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
EverettGriz said:
95% of FBS programs have no shot at a national title in football. 98.5% of D1 basketball programs have no shot at a national title.

There are billions of reasons (and dollars) to play at the highest level.
Kinda the way I lean as well. If the concern is that you don't have a chance at the NC if you move up, why don't you just move down to DII so you can win 40 in a row? The response is often something like: "Because there isn't as much money in DII and the level of competition is lower." Hmmmmm. On the right track.
Makes you wonder how many schools will use COVID as an reason (excuse?) to drop football altogether. You can be fairly high in the pecking order and still lose a lot of money. (Remember all the stories about programs that lost money going to a bowl game?) Of course, many schools basically write off the cost as part of their recruitment budget. And there have been just enough success stories to make that seem like a credible approach. But that will only carry you so far.

FWIW: Those specific numbers made me curious, especially basketball. Have to quibble a bit with that. Since 2000, twenty-four teams have played for (“had a shot at”) the NCAA basketball championship. With over 350 D-I programs involved, that works out to almost 7%. Of course, that means 93% did not get a shot during that period. So your main point is absolutely valid: The vast majority will never have a shot at the national title. Most people know that, but still like the excitement when a “Cinderella” shows up for awhile.

I got a bit of a surprise when I looked at the numbers for FBS football. That looks better, IF you go all the way back to 2000. Back then, you may recall, they selected two teams for the final “national championship” game using polls and computer rankings. With those included, fifteen teams had a shot at a national championship, which works out to 11.5%. Not bad, right? However, you’re exactly right for the period since they went to their “improved” four-team format. Just six teams have played for that so-called national championship. That works out to 4.6%, leaving over 95% that had no chance.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Kinda the way I lean as well. If the concern is that you don't have a chance at the NC if you move up, why don't you just move down to DII so you can win 40 in a row? The response is often something like: "Because there isn't as much money in DII and the level of competition is lower." Hmmmmm. On the right track.
Makes you wonder how many schools will use COVID as an reason (excuse?) to drop football altogether. You can be fairly high in the pecking order and still lose a lot of money. (Remember all the stories about programs that lost money going to a bowl game?) Of course, many schools basically write off the cost as part of their recruitment budget. And there have been just enough success stories to make that seem like a credible approach. But that will only carry you so far.

FWIW: Those specific numbers made me curious, especially basketball. Have to quibble a bit with that. Since 2000, twenty-four teams have played for (“had a shot at”) the NCAA basketball championship. With over 350 D-I programs involved, that works out to almost 7%. Of course, that means 93% did not get a shot during that period. So your main point is absolutely valid: The vast majority will never have a shot at the national title. Most people know that, but still like the excitement when a “Cinderella” shows up for awhile.

I got a bit of a surprise when I looked at the numbers for FBS football. That looks better, IF you go all the way back to 2000. Back then, you may recall, they selected two teams for the final “national championship” game using polls and computer rankings. With those included, fifteen teams had a shot at a national championship, which works out to 11.5%. Not bad, right? However, you’re exactly right for the period since they went to their “improved” four-team format. Just six teams have played for that so-called national championship. That works out to 4.6%, leaving over 95% that had no chance.

What do those same numbers look like for FCS since 2011? :lol: Not good....
 
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