Fall Camp/Practice changes?

[Da Boyz Mom]

Usually the football year is very carefully laid out, with clear cut rules about spring and fall camps, number and timing of practices, etc. But currently we are seeing little to no guidance from the powers-that-be regarding fall camp, even from conferences that canceled fall football. It seems that some schools are continuing with their weight room and maybe player-run practices, but are not doing their fall camp, while others are still going full steam ahead with practices. If I am correct, MSU went ahead with their planned fall camp and they are practicing while Montana is not.

Is this chaos and lack of defined parameters bothering anyone else or am I the only one? It just seems like there needs to be some clear framework going forward (unless it's been given and I'm missing it).

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Usually the football year is very carefully laid out, with clear cut rules about spring and fall camps, number and timing of practices, etc. But currently we are seeing little to no guidance from the powers-that-be regarding fall camp, even from conferences that canceled fall football. It seems that some schools are continuing with their weight room and maybe player-run practices, but are not doing their fall camp, while others are still going full steam ahead with practices. If I am correct, MSU went ahead with their planned fall camp and they are practicing while Montana is not.

Is this chaos and lack of defined parameters bothering anyone else or am I the only one? It just seems like there needs to be some clear framework going forward (unless it's been given and I'm missing it).

My understanding is there have been no changes to practice rules by the NCAA.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Usually the football year is very carefully laid out, with clear cut rules about spring and fall camps, number and timing of practices, etc. But currently we are seeing little to no guidance from the powers-that-be regarding fall camp, even from conferences that canceled fall football. It seems that some schools are continuing with their weight room and maybe player-run practices, but are not doing their fall camp, while others are still going full steam ahead with practices. If I am correct, MSU went ahead with their planned fall camp and they are practicing while Montana is not.

Is this chaos and lack of defined parameters bothering anyone else or am I the only one? It just seems like there needs to be some clear framework going forward (unless it's been given and I'm missing it).

My understanding is there have been no changes to practice rules by the NCAA.

Right. That's my point. Moving football to the spring has obviously changed the normal routine yet there has been no talk of allowed practice schedules, etc which seems weird to me. Will they get to practice all fall and then all spring also? Or if they practice all fall then they won't get to in the spring? It just seems like there needs to be some clear understanding of how things are going to work.

 

[PlayerRep]

In the press conference, Hauck said that the players and coaches would take off this week, have some fun (for the first time ever in August), come back to school next week, and then figure out what to do.

If permitted, I suppose they could conduct a couple more weeks of "spring" practice. I don't see any reason to have much practice, or practice in pads, since there will be no season until spring, if even then. The team, as well as many other teams, are all very fit and very strong, but the party didn't happen and they have nothing to do. Football and training have become so sophisticated and have a plan and rhythm. Coaches like Hauck know how to build for fall practice, the season and playoffs. Now, that's all goofed up.

School, graduations, scholarships, NFL prep, etc. are now completely screwed up.

 

[Yukon]

In the press conference, Hauck said that the players and coaches would take off this week, have some fun (for the first time ever in August), come back to school next week, and then figure out what to do.

If permitted, I suppose they could conduct a couple more weeks of "spring" practice. I don't see any reason to have much practice, or practice in pads, since there will be no season until spring, if even then. The team, as well as many other teams, are all very fit and very strong, but the party didn't happen and they have nothing to do. Football and training have become so sophisticated and have a plan and rhythm. Coaches like Hauck know how to build for fall practice, the season and playoffs. Now, that's all goofed up.

School, graduations, scholarships, NFL prep, etc. are now completely screwed up.

I would think they use the fall as the new spring ball ,but longer. Then have winter conditioning, followed by spring season.

 

[RayWill]

My understanding is there have been no changes to practice rules by the NCAA.

Right. That's my point. Moving football to the spring has obviously changed the normal routine yet there has been no talk of allowed practice schedules, etc which seems weird to me. Will they get to practice all fall and then all spring also? Or if they practice all fall then they won't get to in the spring? It just seems like there needs to be some clear understanding of how things are going to work.

That is because no one is actually serious about spring. I fully expect that for the conferences that postponed there will be no football until fall 2021 and most of the stars and seniors will move on. Forget this year think to next fall.

 

[kemajic]

Right. That's my point. Moving football to the spring has obviously changed the normal routine yet there has been no talk of allowed practice schedules, etc which seems weird to me. Will they get to practice all fall and then all spring also? Or if they practice all fall then they won't get to in the spring? It just seems like there needs to be some clear understanding of how things are going to work.

That is because no one is actually serious about spring. I fully expect that for the conferences that postponed there will be no football until fall 2021 and most of the stars and seniors will move on. Forget this year think to next fall.

I think you're wrong. The ADs are motivated to consume 2020 season ticket revenue rather than refund or assign it to 2021. But, of course, that's important at UM and MSU, the rest of the conference, not so much. Bigger in FBS.

 

[dayday]

Right. That's my point. Moving football to the spring has obviously changed the normal routine yet there has been no talk of allowed practice schedules, etc which seems weird to me. Will they get to practice all fall and then all spring also? Or if they practice all fall then they won't get to in the spring? It just seems like there needs to be some clear understanding of how things are going to work.

That is because no one is actually serious about spring. I fully expect that for the conferences that postponed there will be no football until fall 2021 and most of the stars and seniors will move on. Forget this year think to next fall.

I think the NCAA granting another year of eligibility to players makes this a realistic option to not play in the Spring. Makes this a development year for Fall 2021 and grow some those lineman in the gym.

My opinion could change in this but right now Spring will be no different than right now. We don’t have a vaccine and it’s not guaranteed the right one will be ready by Spring if you consider the Vaccine options are still in clinical trials (granted that is moving at a historically quick rate) then once you get one then you have to mass produce them then distribute and then people have to actually do it in order to get the herd immunity effect to stop COVID. Plus depending on the option you may have to take a booster shot in a month or two after. Trials aren’t expected to be done probably until January if everything goes smoothly. People thinking that this Is going away by Spring of 2021 are maybe unrealistically optimistic.

 

[RayWill]

That is because no one is actually serious about spring. I fully expect that for the conferences that postponed there will be no football until fall 2021 and most of the stars and seniors will move on. Forget this year think to next fall.

I think you're wrong. The ADs are motivated to consume 2020 season ticket revenue rather than refund or assign it to 2021. But, of course, that's important at UM and MSU, the rest of the conference, not so much. Bigger in FBS.

I was basing my opinion on several bits of information i heard recently. One was on podcast where they asked an AD (don't remember what team but I belive his name was Day) for a team about the possibility of a spring season and NDSU decision to seek out Non-Conference Fall games and if we might see that from other schools. He said that from his conversations with other AD'S including some in the Big Sky, MVFC and MAC it is highly unlikely and not something that was really considered an option and is a pie in the sky dream at this point. Hence the reasoning for NDSU trying to schedule a couple of Non-Conference fall games at least to generate at least some revenue. He fully expects we might see this form some other schools as well over the next two weeks.

 

[ilovethecats]

That is because no one is actually serious about spring. I fully expect that for the conferences that postponed there will be no football until fall 2021 and most of the stars and seniors will move on. Forget this year think to next fall.

I think the NCAA granting another year of eligibility to players makes this a realistic option to not play in the Spring. Makes this a development year for Fall 2021 and grow some those lineman in the gym.

My opinion could change in this but right now Spring will be no different than right now. We don’t have a vaccine and it’s not guaranteed the right one will be ready by Spring if you consider the Vaccine options are still in clinical trials (granted that is moving at a historically quick rate) then once you get one then you have to mass produce them then distribute and then people have to actually do it in order to get the herd immunity effect to stop COVID. Plus depending on the option you may have to take a booster shot in a month or two after. Trials aren’t expected to be done probably until January if everything goes smoothly. People thinking that this Is going away by Spring of 2021 are maybe unrealistically optimistic.

Totally agree. And I'm just playing devils advocate as I was a proponent of fall football and think they could have done it safely but that ship has obviously sailed.

But I think people are of the belief that things are going to be dramatically better than they are right now and I don't see that happening. I think having kids in school alone, college included, is going to result in many more positive cases this fall and winter. Regardless if there is a vaccine or not, that could work as little as half the time, with side effects we don't know about yet, I think we'll be in the exact place we are right now in January. Possibly worse.

Though I suppose it's possible they do what they are doing right now and even if the virus is worse they'll get on with things. Like they did with business and school closures. We have far more cases now than we did in March and April but for some reason businesses are open and kids are going to school. Maybe we'll have more cases in January than we do right now but for some reason we'll play football when we can't now! :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

That is because no one is actually serious about spring. I fully expect that for the conferences that postponed there will be no football until fall 2021 and most of the stars and seniors will move on. Forget this year think to next fall.

I think the NCAA granting another year of eligibility to players makes this a realistic option to not play in the Spring. Makes this a development year for Fall 2021 and grow some those lineman in the gym.

My opinion could change in this but right now Spring will be no different than right now. We don’t have a vaccine and it’s not guaranteed the right one will be ready by Spring if you consider the Vaccine options are still in clinical trials (granted that is moving at a historically quick rate) then once you get one then you have to mass produce them then distribute and then people have to actually do it in order to get the herd immunity effect to stop COVID. Plus depending on the option you may have to take a booster shot in a month or two after. Trials aren’t expected to be done probably until January if everything goes smoothly. People thinking that this Is going away by Spring of 2021 are maybe unrealistically optimistic.

[It's my understanding that a number of these vaccines are being made now, in hopes that some or all will be proven to be effective receive regulatory approval.]

"Although none of the coronavirus vaccines under development has proved its efficacy yet in clinical trials, at least 5.7 billion doses have been pre-ordered around the world.

Oxford University, working with the Swedish-British pharmaceutical group AstraZeneca, hopes to have results by September while the US biotech company Moderna, partnering with the US National Institutes of Health (NIH), is aiming for the end of the year, possibly November. ["The U.S. government has ordered 300 million doses of a potential COVID-19 virus being developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University and hopes first doses can be made available by October, the Department of Health and Human Services said on Thursday." 5/21 article, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-hhs-idUSKBN22X0V0]

First shipments of a COVID-19 vaccine created by Western laboratories have often been snapped up by the United States.

US: 700 million doses

President Donald Trump has launched "Operation Warp Speed" in a bid to develop, manufacture and distribute a COVID-19 vaccine to all Americans by January 2021.

Hundreds of millions of dollars have been directed to vaccine developers including nearly $500 million to Johnson & Johnson at the end of March.

The United States has allocated funding to more companies than other nation in the hope that one of them will come up with the vaccine to counter the highly contagious virus.

So far, Washington has handed out at a total of least 9.4 billion dollars to seven vaccine developers and signed manufacturing contracts with five of them to provide 700 million doses.

The companies involved are: Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Oxford/AztraZeneca, Novavax, Pfizer/BioNTech, Sanofi/GSK, Merck Sharp and Dohme."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-pre-orders-covid-vaccine-billion.html

 

[PlayerRep]

My guess is that things will be different by the spring, but that some differences will be positive and some may be negative (i.e. the flu season may have complicated covid and taken resources, covid may or may not be getting better in the US, and other parts of the world). I do think a vaccine is likely by early 2021. I don't know how fast it can be administered, but planning for that is already being done.

 

[kemajic]

My guess is that things will be different by the spring, but that some differences will be positive and some may be negative (i.e. the flu season may have complicated covid and taken resources, covid may or may not be getting better in the US, and other parts of the world). I do think a vaccine is likely by early 2021. I don't know how fast it can be administered, but planning for that is already being done.

Antibody therapies may arrive before vaccines.

http://naplesdailynews.fl.newsmemory.com/?publink=3c74ee73f

 

[HookedonGriz]

Pfizer/Biontech have already completed initial clinical trials to prove the production of antibodies, in both animals and humans. They were successful in developing an vaccine technology (out of 4 they were researching) that showed 8X antibody production compared to natural antibody production from a person who recovered from the virus. So the proof of concept and efficacy is already there. Now they have already enrolled thousands into a vaccine vs placebo (saline) shot for their final safety and efficacy trials in a large human population. They’ve already vaccinated thousands with a goal of I believe 30K. Early results are very strong and they seem to have the lead in the race to a vaccine. They’ve already contracted with the government to provide million of doses and top mgmt is stating the vaccine may be ready as early as October/November. They’ve also contracted millions of doses across the globe. I’m hoping this is the game changer we’ve been waiting on. But I’ve seen a lot of large surveys where about 70% of people said there’s no way they’d get the vaccine. I’m hoping they are just the loud ones in the back as not the true majority.


Edit: I found out the contract with US Govt was for 600M doses and another 30M with the UK. Government will make it a free vaccine to US citizens.

 

[ilovethecats]

Pfizer/Biontech have already completed initial clinical trials to prove the production of antibodies, in both animals and humans. They were successful in developing an vaccine technology (out of 4 they were researching) that showed 8X antibody production compared to natural antibody production from a person who recovered from the virus. So the proof of concept and efficacy is already there. Now they have already enrolled thousands into a vaccine vs placebo (saline) shot for their final safety and efficacy trials in a large human population. They’ve already vaccinated thousands with a goal of I believe 30K. Early results are very strong and they seem to have the lead in the race to a vaccine. They’ve already contracted with the government to provide 1M doses and top mgmt is stating the vaccine may be ready as early as October/November. They’ve also contracted millions of doses across the globe. I’m hoping this is the game changer we’ve been waiting on. But I’ve seen a lot of large surveys where about 70% of people said there’s no way they’d get the vaccine. I’m hoping they are just the loud ones in the back as not the true majority.

I think it might fall in line with where we are with stupid masks right now. I truly believe the majority of people are wearing them whether they like to or not. And I also believe the majority would have worn them even had we not been forced to by big brother. And that's what pisses off those loud people in the back. We probably have people now who would have worn one just refusing to prove a point.

I'm guessing the same could be said about a vaccine. If it means getting back to living life, I think people will be very open to being vaccinated. However, if we're suddenly FORCED to be vaccinated, and are denied basic rights until we do so, I think people will freak out.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just kind of my perception as I watch this entire shit show unfold.

 

[PlayerRep]

Trump would never try to force vaccination. Maybe Biden. I don't know the law on this.

 

[kemajic]

Trump would never try to force vaccination. Maybe Biden. I don't know the law on this.

Biden wouldn't know what to do; he'd delegate it to one of his socialists.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Pfizer/Biontech have already completed initial clinical trials to prove the production of antibodies, in both animals and humans. They were successful in developing an vaccine technology (out of 4 they were researching) that showed 8X antibody production compared to natural antibody production from a person who recovered from the virus. So the proof of concept and efficacy is already there. Now they have already enrolled thousands into a vaccine vs placebo (saline) shot for their final safety and efficacy trials in a large human population. They’ve already vaccinated thousands with a goal of I believe 30K. Early results are very strong and they seem to have the lead in the race to a vaccine. They’ve already contracted with the government to provide 1M doses and top mgmt is stating the vaccine may be ready as early as October/November. They’ve also contracted millions of doses across the globe. I’m hoping this is the game changer we’ve been waiting on. But I’ve seen a lot of large surveys where about 70% of people said there’s no way they’d get the vaccine. I’m hoping they are just the loud ones in the back as not the true majority.

I think it might fall in line with where we are with stupid masks right now. I truly believe the majority of people are wearing them whether they like to or not. And I also believe the majority would have worn them even had we not been forced to by big brother. And that's what pisses off those loud people in the back. We probably have people now who would have worn one just refusing to prove a point.

I'm guessing the same could be said about a vaccine. If it means getting back to living life, I think people will be very open to being vaccinated. However, if we're suddenly FORCED to be vaccinated, and are denied basic rights until we do so, I think people will freak out.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just kind of my perception as I watch this entire shit show unfold.

I think you are spot on