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fake slide - will it now be open season on running qbs?

HelenaHandBasket said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Could have chosen to hit him and tack on 15 yards, I guess.
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Yeah, but that isn't the only other option.
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True, they could’ve sprinted at him to initiate tackles and then pulled up a split second before his butt hit the ground. That way, they could use that split second to decide to tackle again once his butt didn’t hit the ground. Wonder why they didn’t just do that.
 
Paytonlives said:
They better make this a penalty or someone is going to get hurt/ destroyed
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Exactly.

I’m actually surprised there is even a debate here. In regards to football discussion it doesn’t get more cut and dried in my opinion.

The slide is one more aspect to protect the qb and as it is defenders are already in a difficult situation at the speed they play. You still see guys slide and get hit every weekend, sometimes stupid, but other times just by accident as they are flying around.

If you start letting qb’s fake slide the defense has no choice but to not hold up and finish the tackle. Someone will get killed.

As it stands, this is the first I’ve ever seen this happen. Actually pretty genius by the qb as the rule currently is. Going forward I think they’ll make a rule where if you pretend to slide to freeze the defense, you’ll be down at that spot. Maybe even tack a penalty on. I don’t see any other way to handle it.
 
Just another juke in my book. The first time was a surprise, but sometimes folks get creamed after jukes. I suspect most QBs won't risk it and if they do, well, maybe it works and maybe it hurts.
 
ilovethecats said:
Paytonlives said:
They better make this a penalty or someone is going to get hurt/ destroyed
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... As it stands, this is the first I’ve ever seen this happen. Actually pretty genius by the qb as the rule currently is. Going forward I think they’ll make a rule where if you pretend to slide to freeze the defense, you’ll be down at that spot. Maybe even tack a penalty on. I don’t see any other way to handle it.
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Agree on all counts. We've watched replays of the fake several times now. It was a great move. And the way the rule is now interpreted, the defenders had no choice but to buy it. Since Pickett is an outstanding runner ... that hesitation is all he needed.

I'd say someone else is gonna try it again ... and he's likely to get creamed, if not right then, then later. If I'm that defender, I'd be so mightily pissed off, I'd crunch the guy first chance I get ... and I wouldn't give an ishtay if a "earned" a penalty. If the powers-that-be really care about player safety (like they always say), they'll make a fake slide-start the same as a slide executed.
 
Was watching a game replay, where the QB did a slide. The camera angle was really good and the yard markers were nicely set up. The current use of the rule offers an interesting thought for the future of fake sliding.

He started his slide about the 44, or maybe a bit further out. His butt didn't hit the ground until almost the 46, and his upper body was still pretty upright. Based on where the ball was when he hit the ground, I'd have made the spot around the 45 and a half line. (No dog in the fight for us, BTW.) Refs put the ball maybe a foot outside the 44. The sideline was screaming bloody murder about the spot ... but that was it.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Was watching a game replay, where the QB did a slide. The camera angle was really good and the yard markers were nicely set up. The current use of the rule offers an interesting thought for the future of fake sliding.

He started his slide about the 44, or maybe a bit further out. His butt didn't hit the ground until almost the 46, and his upper body was still pretty upright. Based on where the ball was when he hit the ground, I'd have made the spot around the 45 and a half line. (No dog in the fight for us, BTW.) Refs put the ball maybe a foot outside the 44. The sideline was screaming bloody murder about the spot ... but that was it.
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That's the correct spot based on the rule.

According to the rule, he's down at the spot he initiated the slide.
 
uofmman1122 said:
IdaGriz01 said:
Was watching a game replay, where the QB did a slide. The camera angle was really good and the yard markers were nicely set up. The current use of the rule offers an interesting thought for the future of fake sliding.

He started his slide about the 44, or maybe a bit further out. His butt didn't hit the ground until almost the 46, and his upper body was still pretty upright. Based on where the ball was when he hit the ground, I'd have made the spot around the 45 and a half line. (No dog in the fight for us, BTW.) Refs put the ball maybe a foot outside the 44. The sideline was screaming bloody murder about the spot ... but that was it.
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That's the correct spot based on the rule.

According to the rule, he's down at the spot he initiated the slide.
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Yep, it sure was ... I know that. So when someone throws in a fake, or what could be a fake ... that will (supposedly) set where the ball is spotted, IF they tweak the rule to make a fake the same as an actual slide. Problem solved, I think.

Personally, I think the rule should be changed to spot the ball where it was when his butt hits the ground ... seems like that would be easier to determine than when, exactly, he "initiated" the slide.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
uofmman1122 said:
That's the correct spot based on the rule.

According to the rule, he's down at the spot he initiated the slide.
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Yep, it sure was ... I know that. So when someone throws in a fake, or what could be a fake ... that will (supposedly) set where the ball is spotted, IF they tweak the rule to make a fake the same as an actual slide. Problem solved, I think.

Personally, I think the rule should be changed to spot the ball where it was when his butt hits the ground ... seems like that would be easier to determine than when, exactly, he "initiated" the slide.
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Oh, gotcha.

Yeah, I agree on the fake slide stuff. Like I said earlier in the thread, it's about signaling to the defense that they can't hit you (for your own safety), and if you do that, you should be down, IMO.
 
I think it is a great way to destroy your ACL,MCL and whatever else. Or a great way to have your head removed from your torso if rule is not changed. Defenders will choose to take the 15 rather then give up a TD.
 
Mavman said:
I think it is a great way to destroy your ACL,MCL and whatever else. Or a great way to have your head removed from your torso if rule is not changed. Defenders will choose to take the 15 rather then give up a TD.
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Bingo!

Actually, they don't even have change the rule (but they should). They just need to (right away) instruct the refs to treat a fake as the real thing. Otherwise, if a QB does not make his slide absolutely clear, defenders will -- as you say -- make some "anatomical alterations."
 
Mavman said:
I think it is a great way to destroy your ACL,MCL and whatever else. Or a great way to have your head removed from your torso if rule is not changed. Defenders will choose to take the 15 rather then give up a TD.
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good point, but don't they get tossed from the game for 'hitting a defenseless player' on top of the 15?
 
As expected, the fake slide has been banned by the NCAA. :lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/rctmsm/the_fake_slide_has_been_banned_by_the_ncaa_rules/

I think this is the right call. Based on the entire point of the slide, it seems wrong to be able to fake out the defense into thinking you're going to do it, and then not.
 
uofmman1122 said:
As expected, the fake slide has been banned by the NCAA. :lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/rctmsm/the_fake_slide_has_been_banned_by_the_ncaa_rules/

I think this is the right call. Based on the entire point of the slide, it seems wrong to be able to fake out the defense into thinking you're going to do it, and then not.
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Long time lurker here. I laughed when I read this earlier. Can't believe there was an actual debate on this thread about it. Technically, it was a legal play but anyone with a pulse understands how it's a bad play to have in the game. I think this decision is universally agreed upon by most reasonable people.
 
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