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[grizcountry420]

So AZ...which QB do you think gives the Griz the best chance at winning games...

I'd probably have to go with Gus if he's healthy and has had a better practice this week. Simis has the talent but at times is like a deer in the headlights. Gus could be a good QB if he had a little bit of touch on the ball. I also think Gus would do better in a situation where we are calling a lot of crossing routes and out routes. He would be able to see over the line and a his feet aren't as antsy as Simis when they are in the pocket.

 

[mcg]

I say put both in. They can stand behind the line of scrimmage and discuss what the next play might be. The should try to look crafty, shifty, sneaky; cover their mouths while they chat. Generally try to create fear, uncertainty and doubt with the defense. Then one lines up as QB while the other becomes a receiver and off they go!

For a real trip send Lucas out there as well, three QB's at once, maximum confusion for the defense.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I say put both in. They can stand behind the line of scrimmage and discuss what the next play might be. The should try to look crafty, shifty, sneaky; cover their mouths while they chat. Generally try to create fear, uncertainty and doubt with the defense. Then one lines up as QB while the other becomes a receiver and off they go!

For a real trip send Lucas out there as well, three QB's at once, maximum confusion for the defense.

Are you advocating the ol' MSU Human Centipede Formation from a few years back when the had three all BSC QBs?

 

[UMGriz75]

And repeating it over and over doesn't improve your IQ, you know.

Go back to your fantasy league stat nerd.....in your spare time, sit down and watch each play over the last 3 games and really study what Simis does...what the opposing defense does...how other teams adjust to him...how he adjusts to the defense...you will start to notice the things that don't show up on the stat sheet...like Simis running for 8 yards.....seemingly good for stats...but realizing if he go through his progressions...you know, look at someone other than his primary receiver...he could have hit a wide open secondary receiver for 15 plus...or maybe instead of running out of the pocket inside the 10 and pick up 2 yards on 3rd down, he could have found his secondary receiver for a touchdown....boy...those plays he didn't make sure could have made his stats look even better.....starting to get the picture....I get that Brady was having his issues...but he gives the Griz a better chance to win games than does Simis....put those stats in your pipe and smoke it...

The problem you have with "stats" is that when you've concluded based on your years of experience that a QB could have hit somebody else on a play, that this negates the facts -- stats are actually facts, you know -- that offer a method of comparing performances. Is it perfect? No.

As is typical, you disagree with the stats and so you start calling me names. You're a real man. The Team needs more people like you. I don't know why you haven't gone to Stitt already and explained how you know all this, and that stats actually show the opposite of what is true. It's an interesting theory.

It's also stupid. The facts are that Brady did not develop good numbers. If he consistently could only convert 33% of his third downs, that doesn't mean that he really understood the playbook, or that he can even throw under pressure. It means there's a problem. Refusing to recognize that doesn't solve the problem. Pretending that what is real isn't doesn't do anything. Deflect away, but consistent failures to convert is a handicap. So is acting like a juvenile moron on the internet because you can't get your way.

I disagree with you based on some statistics. You disagree with me mainly by name-calling. Grow up. It remains good advice.

 

[Eriul]

And repeating it over and over doesn't improve your IQ, you know.

Go back to your fantasy league stat nerd.....in your spare time, sit down and watch each play over the last 3 games and really study what Simis does...what the opposing defense does...how other teams adjust to him...how he adjusts to the defense...you will start to notice the things that don't show up on the stat sheet...like Simis running for 8 yards.....seemingly good for stats...but realizing if he go through his progressions...you know, look at someone other than his primary receiver...he could have hit a wide open secondary receiver for 15 plus...or maybe instead of running out of the pocket inside the 10 and pick up 2 yards on 3rd down, he could have found his secondary receiver for a touchdown....boy...those plays he didn't make sure could have made his stats look even better.....starting to get the picture....I get that Brady was having his issues...but he gives the Griz a better chance to win games than does Simis....put those stats in your pipe and smoke it...

The problem you have with "stats" is that when you've concluded based on your years of experience that a QB could have hit somebody else on a play, that this negates the facts -- stats are actually facts, you know -- that offer a method of comparing performances. Is it perfect? No.

As is typical, you disagree with the stats and so you start calling me names. You're a real man. The Team needs more people like you. I don't know why you haven't gone to Stitt already and explained how you know all this, and that stats actually show the opposite of what is true. It's an interesting theory.

It's also stupid. The facts are that Brady did not develop good numbers. If he consistently could only convert 33% of his third downs, that doesn't mean that he really understood the playbook, or that he can even throw under pressure. It means there's a problem. Refusing to recognize that doesn't solve the problem. Pretending that what is real isn't doesn't do anything. Deflect away, but consistent failures to convert is a handicap. So is acting like a juvenile moron on the internet because you can't get your way.

I disagree with you based on some statistics. You disagree with me mainly by name-calling. Grow up. It remains good advice.

You have yet to post any relevant stats as to who the better qb is

 

[UMGriz75]

You have yet to post any relevant stats as to who the better qb is

What do you consider a "relevant" stat?

I don't know who the "better" QB is, because as I noted, the implementation of the "Stitt Stategy" has been wildly variable, with wildly variable results for the QBs.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

They were on the field almost the entire time.

The 17-0 lead was built up in the first 18-20 minutes of the game. Liberty drove the length of the field on the first possession pretty easily from what I remember. On the next drive, they beat the Griz saferty over the top for a big play. The first half defensive funk had nothing to do with being on the field too long.....

1st drive was about 5:30 and the next was just 10 seconds. Liberty had the ball only about 1:20 more than Montana in the first quarter.

"Being on the field most of the game" was a quote from Az not me. My point was the Griz were in a hole pretty early in that game while the defense was still fresh.....

 

[grizindabox]

And repeating it over and over doesn't improve your IQ, you know.

Go back to your fantasy league stat nerd.....in your spare time, sit down and watch each play over the last 3 games and really study what Simis does...what the opposing defense does...how other teams adjust to him...how he adjusts to the defense...you will start to notice the things that don't show up on the stat sheet...like Simis running for 8 yards.....seemingly good for stats...but realizing if he go through his progressions...you know, look at someone other than his primary receiver...he could have hit a wide open secondary receiver for 15 plus...or maybe instead of running out of the pocket inside the 10 and pick up 2 yards on 3rd down, he could have found his secondary receiver for a touchdown....boy...those plays he didn't make sure could have made his stats look even better.....starting to get the picture....I get that Brady was having his issues...but he gives the Griz a better chance to win games than does Simis....put those stats in your pipe and smoke it...

The problem you have with "stats" is that when you've concluded based on your years of experience that a QB could have hit somebody else on a play, that this negates the facts -- stats are actually facts, you know -- that offer a method of comparing performances. Is it perfect? No.

As is typical, you disagree with the stats and so you start calling me names. You're a real man. The Team needs more people like you. I don't know why you haven't gone to Stitt already and explained how you know all this, and that stats actually show the opposite of what is true. It's an interesting theory.

It's also stupid. The facts are that Brady did not develop good numbers. If he consistently could only convert 33% of his third downs, that doesn't mean that he really understood the playbook, or that he can even throw under pressure. It means there's a problem. Refusing to recognize that doesn't solve the problem. Pretending that what is real isn't doesn't do anything. Deflect away, but consistent failures to convert is a handicap. So is acting like a juvenile moron on the internet because you can't get your way.

I disagree with you based on some statistics. You disagree with me mainly by name-calling. Grow up. It remains good advice.

75, I like looking at stats just like everybody does...but what you don't want to acknowledge is stats don't always tell the truth. I am very serious about you sitting down and really watching the games play by play and see what the opponent changed from the UND game....hint....PSU and ISU exploited Sims's weakness. Simis may have run for a decent amount of yards, but that is because he couldn't adjust in the passing game. I am also serious....you want to make your decision based on the surface instead of digging in and seeing what influenced the stats to be the way they are...you need to learn more about football...you may think I am calling you names...but when you are a stat nerd, I will call you a stat nerd...you are being simplistic...nothing wrong with that, but maybe you should be man enough to admit that there is more to it than just the stats...

 

[runcatchscore]

I fully expect people to laugh at my post, but I think put Brady in. Simis games are kind of boring (besides NDU). I am still learning football and already I am sick of seeing the same thing from Simis:
Oh, look.
Oh, he's not open.
Oh no, I guess, I'll run for it...
I don't know much, but if I can see his five reads, can't the other team's defensive coach? Put Brady in, we need some excitement. Let's hope for NDSU, but even Cal Poly was close. It is hard to have any good stats with such a small sample size as someone else already pointed out. I don't mean to bash Simis; I think he just needs time to develop and more help on the o-line wouldn't hurt. I think Gus can really spice things up. I miss watching the WRs actually catch. Just a 3 yard run game is pretty boring. I would guess the WRs miss catching too.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I didn't realize Gus was playing defense in that game too.

Great point. The first quarter and a half of that game the Griz D played horribly.....

They were on the field almost the entire time.

The 17-0 lead was built up in the first 18-20 minutes of the game. Liberty drove the length of the field on the first possession pretty easily from what I remember. On the next drive, they beat the Griz saferty over the top for a big play. The first half defensive funk had nothing to do with being on the field too long.....

In that time the Griz offense ran a TOTAL of 12 plays. Very quickly, I might add. But I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So AZ...which QB do you think gives the Griz the best chance at winning games...

I'd probably have to go with Gus if he's healthy and has had a better practice this week. Simis has the talent but at times is like a deer in the headlights. Gus could be a good QB if he had a little bit of touch on the ball. I also think Gus would do better in a situation where we are calling a lot of crossing routes and out routes. He would be able to see over the line and a his feet aren't as antsy as Simis when they are in the pocket.

I don't know. I watched the NDSU game again last night (we won again, by the way). Gus looked awesome.

I watched the UND game again (we won that one too). Simis looked awesome.

I'll leave the player decisions to Stitt under the assumption that he's better qualified to make those decisions than a CFO in Texas. :lol:

 

[Eriul]

You have yet to post any relevant stats as to who the better qb is

What do you consider a "relevant" stat?

I don't know who the "better" QB is, because as I noted, the implementation of the "Stitt Stategy" has been wildly variable, with wildly variable results for the QBs.

Ok... I was bored so I went through everything you posted in this stupid thread. The one stat that you posted that holds ANY weight is the 3rd down conversion % which(I guess?) has some relevancy. I apologize that you have posted one decent statistic...

As for all the rest of the crap you have posted... I did a little analysis of all the "stats" you sit behind and let's just say your arguments are muddy at best.


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Gus put up 78 points in three games, a 1-2 loss record.
(Gus actually put up 30 points in 10 quarters an average of 3 points/quarter. He also turned the ball over 5 times for an average of .5 turnovers a quarter)

Makena put up 91 points in three games, a 2-1 win record.
(Makena actually put up 48 points in 14 quarters which averages about 3.4 points/quarter. He also turned the ball over 6 times for an average of .43 turnovers a quarter)
If you want to compare their performances in different games then you can compare these numbers as they are more accurate than you counting the defensive points which they have nothing to do with.
Also if you’re going to give Gus credit for half a game played then logically you should do the same for Makena. Makena would be (2-2)(should actually be 1-3 but ISU gave us a win). Gus would be (1-2)


The cumulative margin (scores)
Gus -8 points
Makena +13 points
(Comparing margin of victory for quarterbacks is irrelevant as it does not take into account the defensive side of the ball which they have nothing to do with.)
(If you do want to go down that road then it is clear that Brady faced superior teams. The three teams he faced average 29th in the nation on offense and 54th on defense. Whereas Makena’s four teams average 53rd on offense and 59th on defense.)

Largest margin of victory
Gus 3 points
Makena 26 points

(See Above)

Makena's bad game came at PSU which has won six of its last eight games. Gus's bad game (a home game) came with Cal Poly which has lost six of its last 8 games.
(Makena’s bad game against PSU was against the 43rd ranked defense. He had a QBR of 56 with 6 points for and 3 turnovers. He was responsible for 196 total yards for an average of 3.4 yards/play.
Gus’s bad game was against Cal Poly who has a worse defense at 105th but he got a QBR of 105 with 12 points for and 3 turnovers. He was responsible for 382 yards for an average of 5.2 yards/play.)
(Given Cal poly’s defense is worse than PSU I think if you’re going to compare you have to cancel these out as Makena had a significantly worse day against PSU than Gus did against Cal Poly.) *Also the “bad game” against Cal Poly was won on a last second miracle kick. We are 2 special teams plays away from Gus being 2-1 and Simis being 1-3.)
Brady was passing for just 7.7 yds per completed pass, 2 of 6 3rd down conversions, and scoring no points, Chad's average pass was 16.2 yds, scoring 21 points. Chad's third down conversion rate, however, was just 10% in the three quarters he played.
(Nitpicking one particular part of the passing game in one game doesn’t really do a good overall justification of overall effectiveness of a QB. One of the better ways to compare is the QBR system which each of our 3 qbs has nearly the same amount of reps for the year with nearly identical QBRs. There is a difference of a total of 10 QBR between the 3. Chalich has the best QBR but he has also gone up against overall worse defenses than the other 2. Gus average d(54), Chalich(72), Makena(59))

There was nothing "unknown" about the long passes to Ellis and Jamal, et.al. and UND's defenders were good, very good, they were right on top of our receivers, but two things existed: Makena could put the ball spot on, and the WRs and others were given the chance to do what they do very, very well.
(UND has a slightly above Defense at best. They have the 5th worst pass D in the nation. Comparing their defense to NDSU is kinda laughable)

And, in that game, Makena hit more receivers than any QB this season:
Jamal Jones (4)
Ellis Henderson (3)
Ben Roberts (3)
Josh Horner
Jeremy Calhoun
Reese Carlson
Chase Naccarato
Caleb Lyons
Treshawn Favors
John Nguyen
(Hitting different receivers doesn’t really mean anything in a blowout when you are obviously rotating more players in for game experience)

328 yards worth. And notably, Makena threw just 17 successful passes.

Compare that to the "hurry up" offense mastered by Brady -- 40 such passes from Brady at the Cal Poly game -- the complexity conundrum, the short passes, the lack of scoreboard results, the three interceptions and the loss.
(You’re comparing Makena’s best game to Gus’s worst game. The opposite could easily be said about Brady against NDSU and Simis against PSU. Also pretty sure that is the type of offense Stitt wants to run. Obviously, we could have scored more points but at least Brady was moving the ball unlike Simis in the game against PSU.)

Those weren't just a couple of lucky throws. Not that many. And the average throw to Jamaal was 35 yds (74), and to Ellis was 38 yds (63).
(Giving Simis credit for the great YAC produced by our magnificent WR’s is silly)

Amazingly, in his best game, Brady threw for 434 yards and got 38 points, two fumbles and one interception, winning by three last minute points.

In his best game, Makena threw for 323 yards and 42 points, 0 fumbles and 0 interceptions, winning by 26 not-so-last-mnute points.

(NDSU vs. North Dakota. Enough Said.)
You enjoy picking out one statistic, and ignoring all the rest.
(Funny. That’s what you’re doing.)

 

[grizare#1]

Both QB's played about the same amount of games but Gus had the brand new team with brand new coaches. Would like to see how he does now that the rest of the team having had more games under their belts.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Man. he really got under your skin, didn't he?

 

[George Ferguson]

Simis likely to start again

 

[jodcon]

Simis likely to start again

I think you're right.

 

[UMGriz75]

Erioul: (UND has a slightly above Defense at best. They have the 5th worst pass D in the nation. Comparing their defense to NDSU is kinda laughable)
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This is a good example of just wholesale fabricating stats. At least I use real numbers.

UND is third in the Big Sky in scoring defense, first in total defense, and sixth in pass defense. That means 10, 12 and 7 teams in the Big Sky alone are worse in those categories.

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2014/stats/confldrs.htm

So, how can UND be fifth worst in the nation?

For the same reasons as the rest of your fabricated statistics. You made them up, and this is now the second time you have been caught at it.

Is there some reason you feel so strongly that you need to lie, just to prove a point?

 

[grizcountry420]

So Simis is getting the start then. Coach wants to roll the dice..

 

[George Ferguson]

I don't think it's about rolling the dice, it's about Gus just not recovering nearly as fast as originially thought/hoped.

 

[jodcon]

Erioul: (UND has a slightly above Defense at best. They have the 5th worst pass D in the nation. Comparing their defense to NDSU is kinda laughable)
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This is a good example of just wholesale fabricating stats. At least I use real numbers.

UND is third in the Big Sky in scoring defense, first in total defense, and sixth in pass defense. That means 10, 12 and 7 teams in the Big Sky alone are worse in those categories.

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2014/stats/confldrs.htm

So, how can UND be fifth worst in the nation?

For the same reasons as the rest of your fabricated statistics. You made them up, and this is now the second time you have been caught at it.

Is there some reason you feel so strongly that you need to lie, just to prove a point?

Think you looked at last years numbers