EWU AD...no extra seats .....smh

[grizatwork]

Did anyone in the University say that Baldwin was a candidate

No.

Exactly.

 

[EWURanger29]

Your argument would make sense if it were not for the fact that the majority of ticket revenue during the playoffs goes to the NCAA, and not the schools playing in the games. Square-peg, round-hole.

UM and EWU give the same allotment to one another every year for games played in their respective stadiums. Are you suggesting Montana fans are somehow entitled to more than that? If so, why?

I've heard these gripes for a while now and I'm not really sure I understand the premise of the argument.

If the "majority" of the revenue goes to the ncaa then why double the price of the tickets for Griz fans? Why not keep the price the same if as you say most is not going to you guys anyways?
Why extend the sales to keep us away and push the local businesses to take up the slack for your fans?
And as another mentioned do you realize just how much money they Fcked the local economy out of? I will be there for two days and nights along with 13 others. Just think how much that is in hotels, food, gas and since it is Christmas the amount people would have spent shopping. Very short sighted and PETTY just to be able to make a point. :roll:

I agree that bringing in additional seats would have been been benefical; if for nothing else the local economy. My point, which was largely a response to CDA's "subsidies" nonsense, was that schools don't make a lot of money off of ticket revenue in the playoffs - the majority of it goes to the NCAA. The $$$ guarantee is why certain 8-4 teams are generally able to get home playoff games over others - the NCAA likes the additional revenue. I read the same argument on this site very frequently; and it is a good argument.

The only real thing I take issue with in your post is the "doubling" the price for Griz fan comment. This seems to be another infamous Egriz myth. Tickets were made available at a reduced cost to season ticket holders (as they should be) up until the 1st of December, at which point they they were made available to the general public. There has to be a way to prioritize tickets for a game like this, and I think it makes perfect sense to reward folks who have made an investment in the program throughout the season. There is nothing unethical, illegal, or immoral about it. You paid the same price as anyone else who's not a season ticket holder.

But thanks for confirming my suspicions that these gripes have very little to do with anything other than a little bit of entitlement syndrome amongst some of the Montana faitful.

Here's a rhetorical question for you: Does everyone pay the same price for a playoff game in Missoula?

Bear in mind I already know the answer.

How is saying taxpayers subsidize the majority of EWU's football program "nonsense?"

Well, first off, I think you may be confusing the difference between what "taxpayer dollars", and "institutional support" means. Your implication that 'taxpayer dollars" largely subsidize Eastern's Athletics programs is false, as it is illegal under Washington State legislation for educational dollars to go towards athletics programs. It's the reason why UW's stadium project couldn't be funded with tax dollars, and the same reason why EWU's won't be, either.

Institutional support, which are the subsidies you are referring to, come mostly in the form of students fees, and in the figure you referenced (not sure it's 75%, but for argument's sake, let's say it is) that's where that money comes from. It is not "taxpayer money", as you implied. A large percentage of DI schools rely on student fees, although that percentage is most likely significantly lower in the schools that are in P5 conferences that generate a lot of revenue through lucrative TV contracts. Montana probably has student fees as well, but generates more revenue in ticket sales, so that percentage is probably much lower (I admittedly haven't looked, but it's probably a safe bet that's the case).

Secondly, at least part of the premise of your argument seems to be built on the assumption that ticket revenue generated in the FCS playoffs goes to the school. It doesn't. It goes to the NCAA to help off-set the costs of hosting the tournament. I am sure there are others that can chime in here, but that is generally known and understood to be true by most people that have an understanding of FCS football. I am paraphrasing here, but you go on to question why a program that is so highly subsidized would not bring in extra seats to generate more income from ticket sales. I'm not sure if you need me to elaborate on the flaws in that logic, but I suppose I could if you need me to.

Hopefully this clears up why I thought your comments were nonsense.

With all that said, I'm not arguing that additional seats wouldn't be beneficial to local businesses. I actually agree with that, but also find a little humor in the rationale that Montana fan's #1 concern in all of this is the local economy.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I don't like this anymore than anyone else. With that said, they earned the right to host. If they catered to us or any other fan base, that gradually diminishes the home field advantage. Yes they are sacrificing some extra profit doing it as they are. However, they are increasing their chances of winning, which for them means another playoff game at home.

Plus, maybe their AD is regaining some advantage they lost when the GRIZ made sure Baldwin's name was made public to be a candidate for our new coach. That took away from their preparation and mind set of their players, coaches, and fans. Hell even if we knew our chances at landing Baldwin were slim, it was smart of the GRIZ to do it. It is also smart of EWU doing what they are doing with the seating.

Now, back to the game...........whoever wins, I hope represent the Big Sky all the way to Frisco this season. Good luck EWU, and GO GRIZ!!!!!!!

Good Post.

You making the trip over?

Unfortunately, due to the holiday budget and questionable at best roads, I'm staying in Kalispell this weekend. I am hoping the GRIZ and UNI each win, that way I can be watching next weekend in Missoula, where lodging is not an issue. :thumb:

 

[kemajic]

Will be watching on ESPN Gameplan, unfortunately not available in HD, but with the satisfaction that the $24.99 charge will not be going to EWU or the Cheney inn keepers. Let's end their season tomorrow so the EWU AD can match his meager revenue up with his expenses.

 

[84GRIZ]

With the weather (rain and high of 35 to 38 depending on which forecast) and Eastern having finals next week do you think there is any chance of 4000 students showing up to the game???

 

[CFallsGriz]

:shock: This guy is clueless. 8000 fans is hardly a home field advantage :lol:

7747

LongTime, you rooting for the good guys in this one?

Are you kidding? Contrary to some opinions, I'm not an asshole. Go Griz! I hope you mop the floor with those used tampons.

This would make HAMMER's head explode. :thumb:

 

['68griz]

Will be watching on ESPN Gameplan, unfortunately not available in HD, but with the satisfaction that the $24.99 charge will not be going to EWU or the Cheney inn keepers. Let's end their season tomorrow so the EWU AD can match his meager revenue up with his expenses.

:thumb:

 

[Htowngriz]

With the weather (rain and high of 35 to 38 depending on which forecast) and Eastern having finals next week do you think there is any chance of 4000 students showing up to the game???

No way. The rain would make the stickers on their new flat brim hats peel right off.

 

[grizindabox]

7747

LongTime, you rooting for the good guys in this one?

Are you kidding? Contrary to some opinions, I'm not an asshole. Go Griz! I hope you mop the floor with those used tampons.

This would make HAMMER's head explode. :thumb:

Like a cheap hooker

 

[TheBud]

News story:
Season ticket holders snatch up 99% of EWU-Griz tickets
http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...playoff-tickets-are-a-hot-commodity/19824911/

Many Eagles fans are pissed off too.

I'll be there. I got lucky. Go Griz!

 

[Htowngriz]

News story:
Season ticket holders snatch up 99% of EWU-Griz tickets
http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...playoff-tickets-are-a-hot-commodity/19824911/

Many Eagles fans are pissed off too.

I'll be there. I got lucky. Go Griz!

Bush league. No other way to put it.

 

[MsMaroon]

News story:
Season ticket holders snatch up 99% of EWU-Griz tickets
http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...playoff-tickets-are-a-hot-commodity/19824911/

Many Eagles fans are pissed off too.

I'll be there. I got lucky. Go Griz!

Bush league. No other way to put it.

"This year, the school said no additional bleachers will be added to Roos field. EWU workers say it usually takes two weeks for additional seating to be added and since less than two weeks have passed since the Eags found out they were in the playoffs, no new bleachers will be included."

Seriously? :shock:

 

[Ultramaroon]

Let them keep their seats in their shitty little stadium and I will spend my money here in a local establishment and watch the Griz kick their asses. Next week they can watch the Griz on tv too.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If the "majority" of the revenue goes to the ncaa then why double the price of the tickets for Griz fans? Why not keep the price the same if as you say most is not going to you guys anyways?
Why extend the sales to keep us away and push the local businesses to take up the slack for your fans?
And as another mentioned do you realize just how much money they Fcked the local economy out of? I will be there for two days and nights along with 13 others. Just think how much that is in hotels, food, gas and since it is Christmas the amount people would have spent shopping. Very short sighted and PETTY just to be able to make a point. :roll:

I agree that bringing in additional seats would have been been benefical; if for nothing else the local economy. My point, which was largely a response to CDA's "subsidies" nonsense, was that schools don't make a lot of money off of ticket revenue in the playoffs - the majority of it goes to the NCAA. The $$$ guarantee is why certain 8-4 teams are generally able to get home playoff games over others - the NCAA likes the additional revenue. I read the same argument on this site very frequently; and it is a good argument.

The only real thing I take issue with in your post is the "doubling" the price for Griz fan comment. This seems to be another infamous Egriz myth. Tickets were made available at a reduced cost to season ticket holders (as they should be) up until the 1st of December, at which point they they were made available to the general public. There has to be a way to prioritize tickets for a game like this, and I think it makes perfect sense to reward folks who have made an investment in the program throughout the season. There is nothing unethical, illegal, or immoral about it. You paid the same price as anyone else who's not a season ticket holder.

But thanks for confirming my suspicions that these gripes have very little to do with anything other than a little bit of entitlement syndrome amongst some of the Montana faitful.

Here's a rhetorical question for you: Does everyone pay the same price for a playoff game in Missoula?

Bear in mind I already know the answer.

How is saying taxpayers subsidize the majority of EWU's football program "nonsense?"

Well, first off, I think you may be confusing the difference between what "taxpayer dollars", and "institutional support" means. Your implication that 'taxpayer dollars" largely subsidize Eastern's Athletics programs is false, as it is illegal under Washington State legislation for educational dollars to go towards athletics programs. It's the reason why UW's stadium project couldn't be funded with tax dollars, and the same reason why EWU's won't be, either.

Institutional support, which are the subsidies you are referring to, come mostly in the form of students fees, and in the figure you referenced (not sure it's 75%, but for argument's sake, let's say it is) that's where that money comes from. It is not "taxpayer money", as you implied. A large percentage of DI schools rely on student fees, although that percentage is most likely significantly lower in the schools that are in P5 conferences that generate a lot of revenue through lucrative TV contracts. Montana probably has student fees as well, but generates more revenue in ticket sales, so that percentage is probably much lower (I admittedly haven't looked, but it's probably a safe bet that's the case).

Secondly, at least part of the premise of your argument seems to be built on the assumption that ticket revenue generated in the FCS playoffs goes to the school. It doesn't. It goes to the NCAA to help off-set the costs of hosting the tournament. I am sure there are others that can chime in here, but that is generally known and understood to be true by most people that have an understanding of FCS football. I am paraphrasing here, but you go on to question why a program that is so highly subsidized would not bring in extra seats to generate more income from ticket sales. I'm not sure if you need me to elaborate on the flaws in that logic, but I suppose I could if you need me to.

Hopefully this clears up why I thought your comments were nonsense.

With all that said, I'm not arguing that additional seats wouldn't be beneficial to local businesses. I actually agree with that, but also find a little humor in the rationale that Montana fan's #1 concern in all of this is the local economy.

Who pays the money? Does EWU make it on its own? Oh, they don't? What? It's almost a 75% subsidy?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/
Hope this helps.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

News story:
Season ticket holders snatch up 99% of EWU-Griz tickets
http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...playoff-tickets-are-a-hot-commodity/19824911/

Many Eagles fans are pissed off too.

I'll be there. I got lucky. Go Griz!

Bush league. No other way to put it.

I don't know what's funnier: (a) the decision itself; (b) the AD's stated rationale; (c) EWU fans trying to actually defend it; or (d) EWU fans attempting to deny that their program is a state-run charity. So much fail to spread around.

 

[polsongrizz]

Less surprised by this than Box's sentiments. For the last time, It's not about EWU's actual prerogative to do this. Nobody debates that they have the option. It's about the fact that they are foregoing a shit ton of money to prevent Griz fans' attendance. For a program subsidized by nearly three quarters taxpayer money, it's very strange. They basically said "we would rather rob some more wages than pull in some bleachers out at a clip far less than the marginal revenue we and the local businesses would realize." Dumb. Period. Full stop.

Your argument would make sense if it were not for the fact that the majority of ticket revenue during the playoffs goes to the NCAA, and not the schools playing in the games. Square-peg, round-hole.

UM and EWU give the same allotment to one another every year for games played in their respective stadiums. Are you suggesting Montana fans are somehow entitled to more than that? If so, why?

I've heard these gripes for a while now and I'm not really sure I understand the premise of the argument.

If the "majority" of the revenue goes to the ncaa then why double the price of the tickets for Griz fans? Why not keep the price the same if as you say most is not going to you guys anyways?
Why extend the sales to keep us away and push the local businesses to take up the slack for your fans?
And as another mentioned do you realize just how much money they Fcked the local economy out of? I will be there for two days and nights along with 13 others. Just think how much that is in hotels, food, gas and since it is Christmas the amount people would have spent shopping. Very short sighted and PETTY just to be able to make a point. :roll:

I agree that bringing in additional seats would have been been benefical; if for nothing else the local economy. My point, which was largely a response to CDA's "subsidies" nonsense, was that schools don't make a lot of money off of ticket revenue in the playoffs - the majority of it goes to the NCAA. The $$$ guarantee is why certain 8-4 teams are generally able to get home playoff games over others - the NCAA likes the additional revenue. I read the same argument on this site very frequently; and it is a good argument.

The only real thing I take issue with in your post is the "doubling" the price for Griz fan comment. This seems to be another infamous Egriz myth. Tickets were made available at a reduced cost to season ticket holders (as they should be) up until the 1st of December, at which point they they were made available to the general public. There has to be a way to prioritize tickets for a game like this, and I think it makes perfect sense to reward folks who have made an investment in the program throughout the season. There is nothing unethical, illegal, or immoral about it. You paid the same price as anyone else who's not a season ticket holder.

But thanks for confirming my suspicions that these gripes have very little to do with anything other than a little bit of entitlement syndrome amongst some of the Montana faitful.

Here's a rhetorical question for you: Does everyone pay the same price for a playoff game in Missoula?

Bear in mind I already know the answer.

Well I kdon't know about other games but the one last weekend as far as I know every ticket was $35 dollars. Didn't matter who or when you bought it.

 

[bigkid]

I don't know what to think of all this other than the AD is either really dumb or really naive or both. Tacky maybe....wow what a fiasco. Anyway the football team is in route and will let it all hang out tomorrow.....when we win, the football world won't have to concern itself with roos field and its shortcomings.

Go Griz!!

 

[EverettGriz]

News story:
Season ticket holders snatch up 99% of EWU-Griz tickets
http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...playoff-tickets-are-a-hot-commodity/19824911/

Many Eagles fans are pissed off too.

I'll be there. I got lucky. Go Griz!

Bush league. No other way to put it.

I don't know what's funnier: (a) the decision itself; (b) the AD's stated rationale; (c) EWU fans trying to actually defend it; or (d) EWU fans attempting to deny that their program is a state-run charity. So much fail to spread around.

^^

This.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Did anyone in the University say that Baldwin was a candidate

No.

Exactly.

To be precise, nobody at the University has said that ANYONE is a candidate.

They have intentionally kept their cards to the vest. The speculation about Baldwin was natural, but if it was intentionally floated out there discretely then all the better.

 

[grizindabox]

The article states that all 150 tickets available on Tuesday were gone in 3 minutes, yet I got (2) at almost 11:00