Even NDSU having state funding cuts...

[UMGriz75]

75, I would be curious to hear your thoughts on how the University gets back on track. At the risk of asking for a long post, much of your diagnosis of problems with the University as a whole I agree with. What do we need in the next President, how does the enrollment issue get fixed, and so on.

Five years ago, it would have been easier to answer the question. As I have long pointed out, once an organization enters a "death spiral," it is much, much more complex and there is no guarantee of success, indeed, there is, typically, collapse. We may be witnessing that at the University of Montana. It's unprecedented.

A few years ago, the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) appointed me to a "governance task force" to analyze something very much like this: the collapse of a "national governing body" (NGB) for one of the Olympic sports. The purpose was to 1) analyze what went wrong, 2) what are the alternatives to "fix it," and 3) what are the recommended ways to "fix it." That was the second time I was appointed by the USOC to that kind of "reorganization" situation.

I spent approximately 1,000 hours on that final report to the USOC. I cited to approximately 200 peer-reviewed studies on organizational management and the role of leadership, and the history of organizational structures, both "for-profit" and "non-profit." We did extensive analytical work on correlations within that NGB between policies, behaviors, and results -- both financial and in sport success at the international level.

The final Report in that instance is about 400 pages. The solutions are both broad and mundane. I don't have 400 pages here. Too many Trolls for egriz to be an asset to the University of Montana. It will continue as its moderators command, a bulletin board for their friends to insult people.

Irregardless of my views in that report, that kind of study is necessary when "an organization goes haywire." Board of Regents, continuing its own policy of missing the point, isn't doing that. So already, we are off to a bad start, being led by the same people that put us here.

If you look at the "search committee," these are people that have been firmly entrenched in the problem. It is not a commitment to change or even understanding the need for it.

I'd be glad to PM you the recent USOC work, as an example, just one, of "governance studies of organizations in trouble," but I would have to kill you if you used that to disclose that to what role I play at UM since the "Athletics" administrative and coaching experience might be obvious to some.

 

[griznative24]

75, I would be curious to hear your thoughts on how the University gets back on track. At the risk of asking for a long post, much of your diagnosis of problems with the University as a whole I agree with. What do we need in the next President, how does the enrollment issue get fixed, and so on.

Five years ago, it would have been easier to answer the question. As I have long pointed out, once an organization enters a "death spiral," it is much, much more complex and there is no guarantee of success, indeed, there is, typically, collapse. We may be witnessing that at the University of Montana. It's unprecedented.

A few years ago, the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) appointed me to a "governance task force" to analyze something very much like this: the collapse of a "national governing body" (NGB) for one of the Olympic sports. The purpose was to 1) analyze what went wrong, 2) what are the alternatives to "fix it," and 3) what are the recommended ways to "fix it." That was the second time I was appointed by the USOC to that kind of "reorganization" situation.

I spent approximately 1,000 hours on that final report to the USOC. I cited to approximately 200 peer-reviewed studies on organizational management and the role of leadership, and the history of organizational structures, both "for-profit" and "non-profit." We did extensive analytical work on correlations within that NGB between policies, behaviors, and results -- both financial and in sport success at the international level.

The final Report in that instance is about 400 pages. The solutions are both broad and mundane. I don't have 400 pages here. Too many Trolls for egriz to be an asset to the University of Montana. It will continue as its moderators command, a bulletin board for their friends to insult people.

Irregardless of my views in that report, that kind of study is necessary when "an organization goes haywire." Board of Regents, continuing its own policy of missing the point, isn't doing that. So already, we are off to a bad start, being led by the same people that put us here.

If you look at the "search committee," these are people that have been firmly entrenched in the problem. It is not a commitment to change or even understanding the need for it.

I'd be glad to PM you the recent USOC work, as an example, just one, of "governance studies of organizations in trouble," but I would have to kill you if you used that to disclose that to what role I play at UM since the "Athletics" administrative and coaching experience might be obvious to some.

Thanks 75, good info. Do you think the UofM will ever turn it around? Keeping the same people in place that have failed before and will fail again doesn't seem positive, and the overall trend of Liberal Arts schools having trouble doesn't bode well either...

I try not to be pessimistic but the attitude around this school is awful, and I have the feeling it won't get better anytime soon...

 

[AllWeatherFan]

That's the thing about "Death Spirals." They end when everybody is dead.

 

[Spanky]

Looks like Missoula will have many additional office buildings if UM closes.

 

[UMGriz75]

I try not to be pessimistic but the attitude around this school is awful, and I have the feeling it won't get better anytime soon...

I first set foot on this campus in 1962, and beginning with the "firings," I've never seen a UM administration so screwed up, and the resulting campus morale so poor.

 

[EverettGriz]

That's the thing about "Death Spirals." They end when everybody is dead.

Well, I'm doing my part to get us closer to "the end". A little part of me dies every time I read a post from verbose75.

 

[UMGriz75]

That's the thing about "Death Spirals." They end when everybody is dead.

Well, I'm doing my part to get us closer to "the end". A little part of me dies every time I read a post from verbose75.

Not fast enough.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

 

[UMGriz75]

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Too many Trolls for egriz to be an asset to the University of Montana. It will continue as its moderators command, a bulletin board for their friends to insult people.

I do see a death spiral. The symptoms are locked threads. But the spiral isn't really the child of bad administrative decisions, its the spiral in nature one sees when parasites weaken the host until they've killed it. Some parasites just can't see what they are doing to the host. There is a cure: something more than short-term quarantines. It's been done in the past with great success. Will the host employ the ultimate cure before the parasite(s) kill it?

 

[EverettGriz]

Zero locked threads during 75's ...uhh... vacation.

Three locked threads in the short time since he's returned.

Coincidence??

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Zero locked threads during 75's ...uhh... vacation.

Three locked threads in the short time since he's returned.

Coincidence??

75 is the "Death Spiral"

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[UMGriz75]

This thread is a good example. Several posters wanted to discuss university budget reorganizations. Three posters -- horribilis, Everett Griz, HelenaHandbasket -- posted exclusively to attack other posters, and then complain that threads are derailed and locked. And that happens thread after thread. That's all these same posters do on this forum.

The "Blackjack Table" thread is a mystery lock. Griz gear sales "way down at UM Bookstore" and "Seattle is a Griz town" usually isn't the kind of flammable and combustible rhetoric that locks a thread. Likewise the "Gregorak" thread. Wargaming what happens or can happen when an athletic budget is severely cut is a serious conversation about sport programs; perhaps too adult?

 

[argh!]

This thread is a good example. Several posters wanted to discuss university budget reorganizations. Three posters -- horribilis, Everett Griz, HelenaHandbasket -- posted exclusively to attack other posters, and then complain that threads are derailed and locked. And that happens thread after thread. That's all these same posters do on this forum.

The "Blackjack Table" thread is a mystery lock. Griz gear sales "way down at UM Bookstore" and "Seattle is a Griz town" usually isn't the kind of flammable and combustible rhetoric that locks a thread. Likewise the "Gregorak" thread. Wargaming what happens or can happen when an athletic budget is severely cut is a serious conversation about sport programs; perhaps too adult?

obviously egriz is on it's own downward squirrel.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

This thread is a good example. Several posters wanted to discuss university budget reorganizations. Three posters -- horribilis, Everett Griz, HelenaHandbasket -- posted exclusively to attack other posters, and then complain that threads are derailed and locked. And that happens thread after thread. That's all these same posters do on this forum.

The "Blackjack Table" thread is a mystery lock. Griz gear sales "way down at UM Bookstore" and "Seattle is a Griz town" usually isn't the kind of flammable and combustible rhetoric that locks a thread. Likewise the "Gregorak" thread. Wargaming what happens or can happen when an athletic budget is severely cut is a serious conversation about sport programs; perhaps too adult?

My post was in response to you insulting other posters, the moderators, and the site, which I cited through the quote function. Because I have you on block I've been spared most of your trolling since return, but obviously not enough. I think if the moderators made your wife or some other female family member edit your posts before hitting submit you might not bury occasional good information or analysis under venom, audacity and the liquid they store in Bozeman just outside the football stadium. They just might help you finally find a modicum of maturity fitting someone of your age. If you had read between the lines, you would know the essence of my post is that you seem to be driving scores of members to strongly consider never clicking on this site again as the only way of evading the flaw in the block function..

 

[UMGriz75]

\My post was in response to you insulting other posters, the moderators, and the site, which I cited through the quote function. Because I have you on block I've been spared most of your trolling since return, but obviously not enough. I think if the moderators made your wife or some other female family member edit your posts before hitting submit you might not bury occasional good information or analysis under venom, audacity and the liquid they store in Bozeman just outside the football stadium. They just might help you finally find a modicum of maturity fitting someone of your age. If you had read between the lines, you would know the essence of my post is that you seem to be driving scores of members to strongly consider never clicking on this site again as the only way of evading the flaw in the block function..

Just as I noted the difficulty of discussing serious issues here, because of constant trolling by the same 5-6 people, and how I wasn't even going to try it on this relatively complex topic, you come along to prove it. Obviously, wrapping yourself in your Hall Monitor function, you are determined to sink yet another thread with your continuing and obsessive personal vendetta. The thread is yours. I am sure it will be a good one.

 

[EverettGriz]

This thread is a good example. Several posters wanted to discuss university budget reorganizations. Three posters -- horribilis, Everett Griz, HelenaHandbasket -- posted exclusively to attack other posters, and then complain that threads are derailed and locked. And that happens thread after thread. That's all these same posters do on this forum.

The "Blackjack Table" thread is a mystery lock. Griz gear sales "way down at UM Bookstore" and "Seattle is a Griz town" usually isn't the kind of flammable and combustible rhetoric that locks a thread. Likewise the "Gregorak" thread. Wargaming what happens or can happen when an athletic budget is severely cut is a serious conversation about sport programs; perhaps too adult?

My post was in response to you insulting other posters, the moderators, and the site, which I cited through the quote function. Because I have you on block I've been spared most of your trolling since return, but obviously not enough. I think if the moderators made your wife or some other female family member edit your posts before hitting submit you might not bury occasional good information or analysis under venom, audacity and the liquid they store in Bozeman just outside the football stadium. They just might help you finally find a modicum of maturity fitting someone of your age. If you had read between the lines, you would know the essence of my post is that you seem to be driving scores of members to strongly consider never clicking on this site again as the only way of evading the flaw in the block function..

Good post.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

My post was in response to you insulting other posters, the moderators, and the site, which I cited through the quote function. Because I have you on block I've been spared most of your trolling since return, but obviously not enough. I think if the moderators made your wife or some other female family member edit your posts before hitting submit you might not bury occasional good information or analysis under venom, audacity and the liquid they store in Bozeman just outside the football stadium. They just might help you finally find a modicum of maturity fitting someone of your age. If you had read between the lines, you would know the essence of my post is that you seem to be driving scores of members to strongly consider never clicking on this site again as the only way of evading the flaw in the block function..

#BOOM

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[horribilisfan8184]

My post was in response to you insulting other posters, the moderators, and the site, which I cited through the quote function. Because I have you on block I've been spared most of your trolling since return, but obviously not enough. I think if the moderators made your wife or some other female family member edit your posts before hitting submit you might not bury occasional good information or analysis under venom, audacity and the liquid they store in Bozeman just outside the football stadium. They just might help you finally find a modicum of maturity fitting someone of your age. If you had read between the lines, you would know the essence of my post is that you seem to be driving scores of members to strongly consider never clicking on this site again as the only way of evading the flaw in the block function..

#BOOM

Sent from my Nokia 3310

I prefer Pat Travers' #

 

[kemajic]

Irregardless of my views in that report, that kind of study is necessary when "an organization goes haywire." Board of Regents, continuing its own policy of missing the point, isn't doing that. So already, we are off to a bad start, being led by the same people that put us here.

If you look at the "search committee," these are people that have been firmly entrenched in the problem. It is not a commitment to change or even understanding the need for it.

Is this much different from the crew that found and landed Cruzado?

Is "irregardless a word"?