CDAGRIZ said:
All I know is I avoid them like the plague. Despite the politically correct concept of gender fluidity, I simply cannot compete in this arena.
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ESPN+ Coverage of UM/WIU game
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All I know is I avoid them like the plague. Despite the politically correct concept of gender fluidity, I simply cannot compete in this arena.
Jaredkuehn said:AZGrizFan said:Da Boyz Mom said:I don't mind the amateur production quality, but not getting to see certain plays at all, and having limited or no replays, was pretty frustrating.
Having said that, I try not to complain too much because at least for me, access to TV coverage of Griz games is light years better than what it used to be around 10-12 years ago when my only option was bigskytv.com. Talk about amateur productions, some of those games were an absolute joke. I remember one game at Idaho State that had one camera in the rafters and another in the end zone, seemingly operated by sugared up 10 year olds who couldn't figure out how to zoom or focus. There was no such thing as onscreen graphics, therefore to show the score the camera operator would fling the camera over to the scoreboard for about 5 seconds and then swing it back to the field at light speed, causing serious vertigo for viewers. As if the video wasn't bad enough, the only audio was the local radio feed which was not exactly synced to the video and faded in and out the whole game (usually fading out right about the time something exciting was happening on the field and the video was showing the scoreboard). Ah, the good old days...
But enough nostalgia, carry on complaining.
Seriously? 10-12 years ago I could go down to Dukes in Scottsdale and see literally every single game. With the advent of all the new contracts, etc., access to games has gotten progressively worse each year. Now it’s alphabet soup and you never know from one game to the next whether it’s going to be on Root, Audience, SWX, KPAX, ESPN+, ESPN3, or nothing at all.
Dukes must have had an FTA satellite system that they were able pull in local broadcasts with. That’s not equipment that average joe has at home to watch every weekend from home. I ran the Griz-cat watch party in Portland from ‘07-‘12. We used to have to find a venue with the equipment to dial in the coordinates to get the local broadcast, which wasn’t an easy task. Somewhere around ‘08 or ‘09 the Griz-cat broadcasts were made available on Directv, which was a big deal and definitely effected the attendance at our watch party. At that time, only the rivalry game and playoff games were regularly shown on Directv. The other options were crappy bigskytv.com broadcasts or finding someone or someplace with an FTA satellite setup.
While our viewing options are still fragmented and can be a PITA, the availability of Griz games and all BSC games (football, basketball, women’s basketball, etc) is far better than it was just a few years ago.
I remember trying to watch the ‘08 Cal Poly game on bigskytv.com. That was rough!
Yes, they did have the satellite equipment, and I realize the "average joe" doesn't have that equipment at home. But honestly, IMHO it beat the alphabet soup system we have today, where every weekend we're scrambling around trying to figure out where/if the game is going to be broadcast. Yeah, it's great to be able to sit in my living room and watch the Griz, but it's NOT great to have to miss occasional games because they're on some broadcast stream that has exclusive rights that aren't available anywhere.
MrMischief
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AZGrizFan said:
The $5 per month probably barely covers the costs ESPN has to stream the game. Yes the production quality coming out from a bunch of college kids was pretty terrible but what did you really expect for $5? And lets be honest here, it probably cost you $0 because you're on the free month trial like the rest of us. I'd suggest you check out some of the other games, see if the production value is high enough for you, then decide if you're going to watch ESPN+ games or not. Living out of state I would prefer that all Griz games be on ESPN+. The stream quality itself was one of the best I've seen. I didn't have a single cut out and the audio was always in time with the video. The WIU media class was using SD cameras, and the camera guy needs a new set of glasses it seems, but with what ESPN was in control of I was very happy with it. I will probably keep my subscription through the season. I am betting that most FCS playoff games are going to be on ESPN+ this year.
zootownrox
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AZGrizFan said:Da Boyz Mom said:I don't mind the amateur production quality, but not getting to see certain plays at all, and having limited or no replays, was pretty frustrating.
Having said that, I try not to complain too much because at least for me, access to TV coverage of Griz games is light years better than what it used to be around 10-12 years ago when my only option was bigskytv.com. Talk about amateur productions, some of those games were an absolute joke. I remember one game at Idaho State that had one camera in the rafters and another in the end zone, seemingly operated by sugared up 10 year olds who couldn't figure out how to zoom or focus. There was no such thing as onscreen graphics, therefore to show the score the camera operator would fling the camera over to the scoreboard for about 5 seconds and then swing it back to the field at light speed, causing serious vertigo for viewers. As if the video wasn't bad enough, the only audio was the local radio feed which was not exactly synced to the video and faded in and out the whole game (usually fading out right about the time something exciting was happening on the field and the video was showing the scoreboard). Ah, the good old days...
But enough nostalgia, carry on complaining.
Seriously? 10-12 years ago I could go down to Dukes in Scottsdale and see literally every single game. With the advent of all the new contracts, etc., access to games has gotten progressively worse each year. Now it’s alphabet soup and you never know from one game to the next whether it’s going to be on Root, Audience, SWX, KPAX, ESPN+, ESPN3, or nothing at all.
Yea this. We used to have every game televised on the local stations no matter what. Now we have to work for it, even ROOT is a pain to find depending on your cable package. Access to Griz games is definitely worse then 10-15 years ago.
Da Boyz Mom said:I don't mind the amateur production quality, but not getting to see certain plays at all, and having limited or no replays, was pretty frustrating.
Having said that, I try not to complain too much because at least for me, access to TV coverage of Griz games is light years better than what it used to be around 10-12 years ago when my only option was bigskytv.com. Talk about amateur productions, some of those games were an absolute joke. I remember one game at Idaho State that had one camera in the rafters and another in the end zone, seemingly operated by sugared up 10 year olds who couldn't figure out how to zoom or focus. There was no such thing as onscreen graphics, therefore to show the score the camera operator would fling the camera over to the scoreboard for about 5 seconds and then swing it back to the field at light speed, causing serious vertigo for viewers. As if the video wasn't bad enough, the only audio was the local radio feed which was not exactly synced to the video and faded in and out the whole game (usually fading out right about the time something exciting was happening on the field and the video was showing the scoreboard). Ah, the good old days...
But enough nostalgia, carry on complaining.
Agree completely! The technology in those days was horrible. The buffering and choppy picture quality was like watching clips of the 1924 New York Yankees.
zootownrox said:AZGrizFan said:Da Boyz Mom said:I don't mind the amateur production quality, but not getting to see certain plays at all, and having limited or no replays, was pretty frustrating.
Having said that, I try not to complain too much because at least for me, access to TV coverage of Griz games is light years better than what it used to be around 10-12 years ago when my only option was bigskytv.com. Talk about amateur productions, some of those games were an absolute joke. I remember one game at Idaho State that had one camera in the rafters and another in the end zone, seemingly operated by sugared up 10 year olds who couldn't figure out how to zoom or focus. There was no such thing as onscreen graphics, therefore to show the score the camera operator would fling the camera over to the scoreboard for about 5 seconds and then swing it back to the field at light speed, causing serious vertigo for viewers. As if the video wasn't bad enough, the only audio was the local radio feed which was not exactly synced to the video and faded in and out the whole game (usually fading out right about the time something exciting was happening on the field and the video was showing the scoreboard). Ah, the good old days...
But enough nostalgia, carry on complaining.
Seriously? 10-12 years ago I could go down to Dukes in Scottsdale and see literally every single game. With the advent of all the new contracts, etc., access to games has gotten progressively worse each year. Now it’s alphabet soup and you never know from one game to the next whether it’s going to be on Root, Audience, SWX, KPAX, ESPN+, ESPN3, or nothing at all.
Yea this. We used to have every game televised on the local stations no matter what. Now we have to work for it, even ROOT is a pain to find depending on your cable package. Access to Griz games is definitely worse then 10-15 years ago.
I absolutely agree.
MrMischief
Well-known member
zootownrox said:
As someone living out of state, I completely disagree. Last year it was super easy to get Griz games, this year seems to be just as easy. Maybe it's because I've been dealing with the problem for much longer than those instate, so I already had a setup. But I can watch every Griz game using my AppleTV and I'm used to paying the price for the service. Even 5 years ago this wasn't possible. I do wish that the games were all on one service, like ESPN+ but Root is easy to come by as well.
MrMischief said:
This!
Evidently this seems to be one of those issues in which where you stand on it depends on where you sit. Man, it has been SOOOO nice not to have to rely (and here I use that term as loosely as is possible) the ancient FTA technology and prayers to get GRIZ games.
AZGrizFan said:
Why can't you see the games now? Go to a bar with an internet connection. How is it any different, other than today's technology wasn't invented during the Carter administration? I guess I'm confused why people are unable to see the games.
I think the Big Sky should abandon their Root contract. It was always frustrating for me when UND played you guys, because I live outside of the Root coverage area, and couldn't watch the game except for at a bar, where I will miss half of it due to waitresses and talking to people. I have wanted to watch non-UND UM and MSU games as well, and am constantly let down by Root.
With the advent of streaming television packages, I really think the Big Sky would be better by abandoning the current TV contract. I like the way the Summit does it - all games are on ESPN 3, but the schools can still sign their own TV contracts with networks like Midco, while at the same time requiring the production to be also aired on ESPN3.
Our hockey conference has a similar setup as the Big Sky, which also works ok. Instead of Pluto, they have their own package that can be purchased through the league website. All games are streamed through the conference website or their Roku and cell phone app. The only games that aren't streamed through the conference streaming package are the games on CBS Sports Network, but at least CBS Sports can be streamed through multiple cord cutting services, and the games are spread throughout the league. This package netted the conference over 500k in streaming alone last year. And it is good quality. Without the NCHC streaming package, I would not be able to watch UND hockey, because I cannot get Midco in my area, and they do not sell streaming packages, similar to Root.
Edit: Also just found this - streaming revenue isn't split evenly by the schools. "Eighty-five percent of all revenue generated is distributed back to the conference members through an internal model based upon subscriber affiliation. The remaining fifteen percent of revenue is retained by the conference office to manage the network" https://www.nchchockey.com/news_article/show/925173
The big sky has a huge following from schools like Montana and Montana State. They should either hop on ESPN or start their own streaming service, and they could potentially start making some money off of streaming. Additionally, Pluto is a shit service - the quality is awful and unreliable.
By dropping Root I really think Montana could actually get more eyeballs watching their games.
With the advent of streaming television packages, I really think the Big Sky would be better by abandoning the current TV contract. I like the way the Summit does it - all games are on ESPN 3, but the schools can still sign their own TV contracts with networks like Midco, while at the same time requiring the production to be also aired on ESPN3.
Our hockey conference has a similar setup as the Big Sky, which also works ok. Instead of Pluto, they have their own package that can be purchased through the league website. All games are streamed through the conference website or their Roku and cell phone app. The only games that aren't streamed through the conference streaming package are the games on CBS Sports Network, but at least CBS Sports can be streamed through multiple cord cutting services, and the games are spread throughout the league. This package netted the conference over 500k in streaming alone last year. And it is good quality. Without the NCHC streaming package, I would not be able to watch UND hockey, because I cannot get Midco in my area, and they do not sell streaming packages, similar to Root.
Edit: Also just found this - streaming revenue isn't split evenly by the schools. "Eighty-five percent of all revenue generated is distributed back to the conference members through an internal model based upon subscriber affiliation. The remaining fifteen percent of revenue is retained by the conference office to manage the network" https://www.nchchockey.com/news_article/show/925173
The big sky has a huge following from schools like Montana and Montana State. They should either hop on ESPN or start their own streaming service, and they could potentially start making some money off of streaming. Additionally, Pluto is a shit service - the quality is awful and unreliable.
By dropping Root I really think Montana could actually get more eyeballs watching their games.
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