Engstrom's Idea to Help Enrollment

[grizatheart]

I was really waiting for this thread to say he resigned or has been run out of Missoula. It's not a joke to say I'm disappointed with this thread all together.

 

[EverettGriz]

Good post, Mouse. And it's far from his first step. Hell, he completely overhauled the Admissions Office/Enrollment Service, which had been neglected far too long under George.

Look, Engstrom ain't perfect. There's much to critique, as there is with any leader of a $300,000,000 organization. But there are a few on this board who won't give him credit where it's due for his successes (and there's much of that as well), and choose to blame him for every little thing with which they disagree.

Again, that's an expectation of a leader of any large organization, especially in the age of autonomous complaining.

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment.
2. Partial. Some good, some fails.

3. Positive.

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary.

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good.

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did.

7. Extremely positive.

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive.

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not.

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM?

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus?

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community?

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation?

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass?


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

 

[PlayerRep]

Good post, Mouse. And it's far from his first step. Hell, he completely overhauled the Admissions Office/Enrollment Service, which had been neglected far too long under George.

Look, Engstrom ain't perfect. There's much to critique, as there is with any leader of a $300,000,000 organization. But there are a few on this board who won't give him credit where it's due for his successes (and there's much of that as well), and choose to blame him for every little thing with which they disagree.

Again, that's an expectation of a leader of any large organization, especially in the age of autonomous complaining.

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment. [Disagree. It was not mainly cyclical. MSU's enrollment is going way up, and less than half is due to increases in engineering.. Engstrom gets a D.]
2. Partial. Some good, some fails. [Again, a D.]
3. Positive. [Disagree. Engstrom actually worsened and cause much of the sexual assault problem. Again, he gets a D.]

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary. [Disagree. He was passive, when he should have been proactive. Eventually, the athletic department and O'Day went to the Missoulian and made some progress. Look what Engstrom just did with the LDS story. He gets a C-].

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good. [Disagree. His performance was horrible the whole time. Supported the out-of-control dean. Made bad decision on appeal. JJ stayed in school with his scholarship the whole time. Now UM had had to pay a settlement, gotten more bad press, and Engstrom had to apologize to the Johnson parents in person. F.]

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did. [Disagree. No, Engstrom made this worse. Didn't hire an experienced counsel for 6 months. Then hired an inexperienced one just because he had a low billing rate. Volunteered the sanctions and gave away the store. He gets an F.]

7. Extremely positive. [Disagree. He was very weak on location discussion. UM hasn't raised the $3 million of private funds for the project yet. C on some parts, better on others.]

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive. [He voted for the Reno tournament, but is now trying to say he didn't. Dishonest.]

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not. [Disagree. Is running UM into the ground. D.]

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM? [Good, but some of the funding has nothing to do with Engstrom.]

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus? [Don't know enough to answer.]

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community? [Huh? UM currently has a positive position and image in the community. No it doesn't. You can tell you don't live here.]

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation? [I know some people left, but I don't know whether they were terminated. Who do you think I despite, other than the dean?]

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass? [That was under Dennison's tenure.]


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

See my above responses in brackets, Man, you really are an apologist for Engstrom. Don't think you'll get much support on these things. Wow, just Wow.

 

[EverettGriz]

DNR. Two seconds looking at that gave me eye strain.

The last sentence I could read. Call me what you wish. I call myself a realist who is able to look reasonably at a situation without my emotions getting in the way. Unfortunately, that's a skill you've yet to develop.

 

[garizzalies]

Good post, Mouse. And it's far from his first step. Hell, he completely overhauled the Admissions Office/Enrollment Service, which had been neglected far too long under George.

Look, Engstrom ain't perfect. There's much to critique, as there is with any leader of a $300,000,000 organization. But there are a few on this board who won't give him credit where it's due for his successes (and there's much of that as well), and choose to blame him for every little thing with which they disagree.

Again, that's an expectation of a leader of any large organization, especially in the age of autonomous complaining.

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment. [Disagree. It was not mainly cyclical. MSU's enrollment is going way up, and less than half is due to increases in engineering.. Engstrom gets a D.]
2. Partial. Some good, some fails. [Again, a D.]
3. Positive. [Disagree. Engstrom actually worsened and cause much of the sexual assault problem. Again, he gets a D.]

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary. [Disagree. He was passive, when he should have been proactive. Eventually, the athletic department and O'Day went to the Missoulian and made some progress. Look what Engstrom just did with the LDS story. He gets a C-].

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good. [Disagree. His performance was horrible the whole time. Supported the out-of-control dean. Made bad decision on appeal. JJ stayed in school with his scholarship the whole time. Now UM had had to pay a settlement, gotten more bad press, and Engstrom had to apologize to the Johnson parents in person. F.]

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did. [Disagree. No, Engstrom made this worse. Didn't hire an experienced counsel for 6 months. Then hired an inexperienced one just because he had a low billing rate. Volunteered the sanctions and gave away the store. He gets an F.]

7. Extremely positive. [Disagree. He was very weak on location discussion. UM hasn't raised the $3 million of private funds for the project yet. C on some parts, better on others.]

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive. [He voted for the Reno tournament, but is now trying to say he didn't. Dishonest.]

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not. [Disagree. Is running UM into the ground. D.]

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM? [Good, but some of the funding has nothing to do with Engstrom.]

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus? [Don't know enough to answer.]

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community? [Huh? UM currently has a positive position and image in the community. No it doesn't. You can tell you don't live here.]

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation? [I know some people left, but I don't know whether they were terminated. Who do you think I despite, other than the dean?]

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass? [That was under Dennison's tenure.]


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

See my above responses in brackets, Man, you really are an apologist for Engstrom. Don't think you'll get much support on these things. Wow, just Wow.

Huh. That's some pretty tough criticism for one of your "best friends"

Engstrom is one of my best friends. He consults me frequently on Griz athletics.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68329&p=1007757&hilit=engstrom#p1007757

 

[Richard Cranium]

It would be interesting to see how many Billings kids go to MSU versus UM. Could it be that the states largest city draws many more kids to MSU because Billings is less than 2 hours drive where Missoula is over a 5 hour drive. Metro Billings is over 150,000 people, I think the growth of Billings has a major factor in MSU's enrollment increase.

 

[griznative24]

Just make sure you leave STATE out of your mouth when reffering kids to Montana.....lol Royce....great plan, just tell alumni to do UMs marketing duties.....like anyone who went to school there doesnt already f***[*] tell others its a good place to go, and be intrested in. This guy freaking blows me away!

Lots of issues with enrollment, Engstrom, etc. but why so much outrage over this idea to make alums a little more aware of recruitment. Pretty big network of cheap "recruiters" across the nation.

Many do "already f***{*} tell others it's (needs an apostrophe) a good place to go, and be interested (with an "ed" at the end, Badlands!) in." Some may not as much as they could so this message from Engstrom seems like a decent reminder.

I'll take this message to heart and try to expand my own promotion of UM to kids and parents I know.

I think that it has to do with the fact that this is really the only step he has taken to increase enrollment. The article in the Missoulian this morning asserts that all the numbers are going down, and UM is "anticipating" the failure. GO GRIZ!

Guess I didn't know as a "fact" this is the only step "he's" taken. But it's obvious you know more about it. Since I now know what you do, I won't take this message to heart and won't step up my efforts to help out the university that I'm proud to have attended. And by God if "he" comes out with a second step to help recruit students, I'll join you in bashing it because it's only his second step. Once he gets to 20 or 30 steps I'll come around and as an alum may even mention UM to kids and parents I know.

.....many on here seem to be gleefully awaiting the anticipated failure.

I really like "your" sarcasm! The President, as you probably address him, has seen dropping enrollment for the last 4 years. There has been plenty of opportunity to increase the universities recruiting for students. Hiring a very expensive PR firm that put "Montana State" instead of "Montana" on their advertising is not a good look. I'm sure "you" can agree with that. This school is great, "you" went here and "I" currently go here. It is a huge part of my life and I care about it. Ever since Engstrom took over, the school has been on a downhill slope. Waiting for anticipated failure? The administration says they already anticipate it!

 

[griznative24]

Good post, Mouse. And it's far from his first step. Hell, he completely overhauled the Admissions Office/Enrollment Service, which had been neglected far too long under George.

Look, Engstrom ain't perfect. There's much to critique, as there is with any leader of a $300,000,000 organization. But there are a few on this board who won't give him credit where it's due for his successes (and there's much of that as well), and choose to blame him for every little thing with which they disagree.

Again, that's an expectation of a leader of any large organization, especially in the age of autonomous complaining.

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment.
2. Partial. Some good, some fails.

3. Positive.

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary.

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good.

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did.

7. Extremely positive.

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive.

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not.

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM?

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus?

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community?

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation?

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass?


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

A couple of things from this:
(2) Gonna be real sad when there is no more students to fill these buildings.
(3) Have you talked to anyone in Missoula lately about the University? Not a ton of good things to say about this institution, including from students and faculty.
(4) That "JJ situation" was under his watch. He is ultimately responsible for how the school handles that "situation." As you probably know, he did not handle it well.
(5) He took over the school when it was having record enrollment. Ever since then, it has plummeted. What graphs are you looking at "BRO?"

 

[PlayerRep]

Additional information.

Not only did Engstrom vote for the Reno hoops tourney, as did all presidents, he voted to equalize payments from television rights/income. Not a good decision for UM.

Regarding donations, the numbers are skewed now because UM only recently started including funds from estate gifts. Estate gifts were not in prior annual amounts. I believe UM giving, without the estate gifts, is actually down in most years from prior years. The Washington gift and a big federal grant have helped, but those have nothing to do with Engstrom.

Some of the recent buildings have been financed with cheap money from bonding, and not from large or private gifts.

 

[PlayerRep]

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment. [Disagree. It was not mainly cyclical. MSU's enrollment is going way up, and less than half is due to increases in engineering.. Engstrom gets a D.]
2. Partial. Some good, some fails. [Again, a D.]
3. Positive. [Disagree. Engstrom actually worsened and cause much of the sexual assault problem. Again, he gets a D.]

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary. [Disagree. He was passive, when he should have been proactive. Eventually, the athletic department and O'Day went to the Missoulian and made some progress. Look what Engstrom just did with the LDS story. He gets a C-].

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good. [Disagree. His performance was horrible the whole time. Supported the out-of-control dean. Made bad decision on appeal. JJ stayed in school with his scholarship the whole time. Now UM had had to pay a settlement, gotten more bad press, and Engstrom had to apologize to the Johnson parents in person. F.]

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did. [Disagree. No, Engstrom made this worse. Didn't hire an experienced counsel for 6 months. Then hired an inexperienced one just because he had a low billing rate. Volunteered the sanctions and gave away the store. He gets an F.]

7. Extremely positive. [Disagree. He was very weak on location discussion. UM hasn't raised the $3 million of private funds for the project yet. C on some parts, better on others.]

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive. [He voted for the Reno tournament, but is now trying to say he didn't. Dishonest.]

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not. [Disagree. Is running UM into the ground. D.]

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM? [Good, but some of the funding has nothing to do with Engstrom.]

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus? [Don't know enough to answer.]

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community? [Huh? UM currently has a positive position and image in the community. No it doesn't. You can tell you don't live here.]

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation? [I know some people left, but I don't know whether they were terminated. Who do you think I despite, other than the dean?]

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass? [That was under Dennison's tenure.]


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

See my above responses in brackets, Man, you really are an apologist for Engstrom. Don't think you'll get much support on these things. Wow, just Wow.

Huh. That's some pretty tough criticism for one of your "best friends"

Engstrom is one of my best friends. He consults me frequently on Griz athletics.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68329&p=1007757&hilit=engstrom#p1007757

You don't understand sarcasm, do you? I have never met or talked to Engstrom. I avoid him.

 

[griznative24]

Additional information.

Not only did Engstrom vote for the Reno hoops tourney, as did all presidents, he voted to equalize payments from television rights/income. Not a good decision for UM.

Regarding donations, the numbers are skewed now because UM only recently started including funds from estate gifts. Estate gifts were not in prior annual amounts. I believe UM giving, without the estate gifts, is actually down in most years from prior years. The Washington gift and a big federal grant have helped, but those have nothing to do with Engstrom.

Some of the recent buildings have been financed with cheap money from bonding, and not from large or private gifts.

I think the point that you and I are trying to convey is that Engstrom is below average and needs to go. Everett and Mouse want to continue Business as Usual. :thumb:

 

[EverettGriz]

Good post, Mouse. And it's far from his first step. Hell, he completely overhauled the Admissions Office/Enrollment Service, which had been neglected far too long under George.

Look, Engstrom ain't perfect. There's much to critique, as there is with any leader of a $300,000,000 organization. But there are a few on this board who won't give him credit where it's due for his successes (and there's much of that as well), and choose to blame him for every little thing with which they disagree.

Again, that's an expectation of a leader of any large organization, especially in the age of autonomous complaining.

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment.
2. Partial. Some good, some fails.

3. Positive.

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary.

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good.

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did.

7. Extremely positive.

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive.

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not.

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM?

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus?

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community?

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation?

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass?


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

A couple of things from this:
(2) Gonna be real sad when there is no more students to fill these buildings.
(3) Have you talked to anyone in Missoula lately about the University? Not a ton of good things to say about this institution, including from students and faculty.
(4) That "JJ situation" was under his watch. He is ultimately responsible for how the school handles that "situation." As you probably know, he did not handle it well.
(5) He took over the school when it was having record enrollment. Ever since then, it has plummeted. What graphs are you looking at "BRO?"

1. Why no response to number 1?

2. Enrollment is cyclical and will be back. Will you credit Engstrom when that happens?

3. Regularly. Especially business owners. Seems odd that people don't have positive views but there's been record donations for 3 straight years. Seems difficult to reconcile.

4. Yep. And if was a clusterfvck from the moment JJ entered that bedroom. So are you unhappy Engstrom fired those on campus for the way it was handled?

5. No he didn't take it over with record enrollment. It increased after he arrived. But as I said, it's cyclical and will be be back. Will you credit him if it does?

 

[BDizzle]

It would be interesting to see how many Billings kids go to MSU versus UM. Could it be that the states largest city draws many more kids to MSU because Billings is less than 2 hours drive where Missoula is over a 5 hour drive. Metro Billings is over 150,000 people, I think the growth of Billings has a major factor in MSU's enrollment increase.

Decent point. I'm from Laurel and out of my group of friends only me and another guy went to Missoula. And he went for football. Almost every one went to Bozeman. But their majors were mostly engineering, architecture and graphic design. And I ended up transferring to Bozeman because of engineering.

 

[Umista]

A point many don't understand and never will, has to do with our esteemed leader. Royce Engstrom. Let us look at his background:

A teacher of chemistry. Zero background in business. Zero background in leading a few thousand employees. Zero background in dealing with multi-million dollar budgets. Zero background in dealing with labor unions. Zero background in dealing with legislators. Zero background in raising large amounts of funds. Zero background in dealing with wealthy potential doners. Zero background in dealing with a university town and the public. Zero background in hiring and firing employees. Zero background in SPORTS and what they really mean to a university.
Zero background in being a president of a school LARGE OR SMALL.

Royce has ZERO'D out. So why do any think he should be able to bring us out of such a dismal slump? Yes, he is a nice guy and his wife Mary is great. Engstrom as UM President is in WAY OVER HIS HEAD. He simply does not have the needed experience and know how to correct the many many problems. Most of the Missoulians do not like the guy. Most of the Montana folks do not respect him. Many parents still beleive the U has a serious RAPE problem. He sits in his position with many if not most of his employees not beleiving in him or liking him.

Me? I want to see a smart new president with fire and gutsy leadership. Wadded at msu makes Royce look like a true amature. Of course she is not perfect but she has it all over old Royce.

 

[BDizzle]

When Trump loses the presidential race maybe the University can hire him?

 

[Umista]

Amateur I should have mentioned and spelled better. Royce is an "Amateur"

 

[griznative24]

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment.
2. Partial. Some good, some fails.

3. Positive.

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary.

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good.

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did.

7. Extremely positive.

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive.

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not.

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM?

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus?

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community?

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation?

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass?


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

A couple of things from this:
(2) Gonna be real sad when there is no more students to fill these buildings.
(3) Have you talked to anyone in Missoula lately about the University? Not a ton of good things to say about this institution, including from students and faculty.
(4) That "JJ situation" was under his watch. He is ultimately responsible for how the school handles that "situation." As you probably know, he did not handle it well.
(5) He took over the school when it was having record enrollment. Ever since then, it has plummeted. What graphs are you looking at "BRO?"

1. Why no response to number 1?

2. Enrollment is cyclical and will be back. Will you credit Engstrom when that happens?

3. Regularly. Especially business owners. Seems odd they people don't have positive views but there's been record donations for 3 straight years. Seems difficult to reconcile.

4. Yep. And if was a clusterfvck from the moment JJ entered that bedroom. So are you unhappy Engstrom fired those on campus for the way it was handled?

5. No he didn't take it over with record enrollment. It increased after he arrived. But as I said, it's cyclical and will be be back. Will you credit him if it does?

1. Because you are right. But private donation only goes so far, and most of it is from the man Washington.
2. I agree, but dropping from 15,642 in 2010 to 11,955 this spring is a 23.5% drop. I'm no statistician, but that seems like an outlier.
3. Students, faculty, and the general population. You know, the people that are in school, have gone, or maybe plan on going. Not a good sign when people enrolled or are planning on enrolling do not have a lot of excitement about the institution.
4. No I am not unhappy for those firings. The AD and coached deserved blame. The president deserves some as well. There was also a case involving a foreign exchange student involved in a suspected rape around that time, and he was allowed to flee the country. It does not seem that Royce has ever cared about rape victims.
5. You are correct, it went up about a thousand after he took over. Then it took a diiiiiiive :lol:

Student safety should be the number one concern, and credit the university for vastly improving this aspect. But numbers are still declining, programs and teachers are getting cut, and students are more frustrated than ever. Royce has run his course and its time for him to go.

 

[griznative24]

When Trump loses the presidential race maybe the University can hire him?

He could really class up the place... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

Do you give Engstrom credit for leading well or properly/favorable on these issues?

1. Declining enrollment.

2. Meaningful and timely corrective actions and responses related to declining enrollment.

3. Sexual assault allegations and matters involving the university.

4. Response to the Missoulian in the first year or so of the sexual assault stuff.

5. The university sexual assault investigation and proceeding involving Jordan Jordan.

6. The ncaa investigation and settlement involving UM.

7. The process to locate and build Missoula College.

8. Major decisions involving approval by the conference presidents.

9. General leadership of UM during his tenure.

1. Partial. Mostly due to cyclical enrollment.
2. Partial. Some good, some fails.

3. Positive.

4. Neutral. Nothing could be gained by going to battle with the only paper in town. He stood his ground when and made his points when necessary.

5. Far too complex an issue to boil down to correct or incorrect. Some very good, some very not so good.

6. Positive. What happened was going to be worse had he not taken the actions he did.

7. Extremely positive.

8. He voted as I would have every time, so VERY, VERY positive.

9. Overall positive. Again, some very good, some not.

Now, how would you rate:

1. 3 straight years of record private donations to UM?

2. All of the building and tech upgrades taking place on campus?

3. The positive position and image UM has in the Missoula community?

4. The fact that he essentially terminated everyone you so despise in the JJ situation?

5. Credit when UM had record enrollment and was kicking msu's ass?


I could go on for quite sometime, but I'm beyond giving a shit.

A couple of things from this:
(2) Gonna be real sad when there is no more students to fill these buildings.
(3) Have you talked to anyone in Missoula lately about the University? Not a ton of good things to say about this institution, including from students and faculty.
(4) That "JJ situation" was under his watch. He is ultimately responsible for how the school handles that "situation." As you probably know, he did not handle it well.
(5) He took over the school when it was having record enrollment. Ever since then, it has plummeted. What graphs are you looking at "BRO?"

1. Why no response to number 1?

2. Enrollment is cyclical and will be back. Will you credit Engstrom when that happens?

3. Regularly. Especially business owners. Seems odd that people don't have positive views but there's been record donations for 3 straight years. Seems difficult to reconcile.

4. Yep. And if was a clusterfvck from the moment JJ entered that bedroom. So are you unhappy Engstrom fired those on campus for the way it was handled?

5. No he didn't take it over with record enrollment. It increased after he arrived. But as I said, it's cyclical and will be be back. Will you credit him if it does?

2. Again, it's not a cycle that's caused the downturn in UM enrollment. It's UM and Engstrom who have caused or allowed most of it. MSU is up. MSU started offering the $1,000 scholarships to top students. MSU started marketing to sophomores instead of waiting until junior year, Yes, MSU is getting a nice bump from engineering. Everett, why is MSU's business school, which doesn't even have a masters program associated with it, now larger than UM's? Explain that one.

3. No, taking out the estate gifts, which are contingent and don't involve cash and which weren't included in prior annual figures, UM's donations are not up. In fact, they are done in a number of years.

4. No, it was goofed up starting when the dean just sided with the accuser and didn't do an investigation--and didn't allow JJ to defend himself. And then Engstrom let the dean and UM use the wrong standard. Total goof up by the dean, Engstrom and UM. This was pointed out to them immediately by Paoli and others, but they steamed ahead. Truly astoundingly bad decisions by UM and Engstrom. UM is lucky that JJ apparently didn't want to have a court battle, as the damages would have been well into 7 figures.

5. Once UM's enrollment is over where it was when Engstrom arrived, then he can get some credit. He doesn't get credit for what he goofed up.

6. UM was in great shape financially, with growing enrollment, and had considerable respect, when Dennison left. Now, each of those things are gone south with Engstrom. UM has used up most of its reserves in recent years.

7. UM's FTE's, discounting part-timers at Missoula College, are now in the 8,000 or so range. The Kaimin published the FTE numbers recently.

8. Heard Bill Johnson retired today. He's getting off the sinking ship, I assume.

9. Everett, you are a cool aid drinker. No objectivity on these mattes whatsoever.

 

[EverettGriz]

1. I encourage you to do a little research on donations. It's public record. And while the Washingtons of course are extremely generous, the number of both personal and business donors has also increased year over year.

2. Perhaps. But I can promise you, enrollment is cyclical.

3. Hmmmmmm, we must be speaking with different people. I suppose it's all about perception.

4. Wow. That's an interesting take.

5. I can understand how some would feel that way.

What I don't understand are those -- not you -- who blindly criticize every action he takes, particularly because there has been a lot of good.