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Engstrom stepping down

More degrees that lead to decent jobs is what is needed. UM has always ignored this but the new economy of this country demands it. The president understands this or he will fail. Medical field, business maybe some engineering. The liberal arts days ended when the cost of the education passed the ability to earn.
 
BillingsMafia said:
More degrees that lead to decent jobs is what is needed. UM has always ignored this but the new economy of this country demands it. The president understands this or he will fail. Medical field, business maybe some engineering. The liberal arts days ended when the cost of the education passed the ability to earn.
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Disagree to some extent - there will always be a need for liberal arts related fields and the UM should stick to being the primary source for those.

The UM should not try to go head to head (engineering for example) with MSU because that's a wasted effort, IMO. Butte and Bozeman do it better, find different avenues don't just try to duplicate.

Build up an expand successful programs on campus that are also growing and in big national need. Biology, Sciences, Physical Therapy, Pharmacy, Business, Law, Forestry, and so on.

However yes, medical, computer technology, & other widely untapped fields they could go after - they should take a run at.
 
BillingsMafia said:
More degrees that lead to decent jobs is what is needed. UM has always ignored this but the new economy of this country demands it. The president understands this or he will fail. Medical field, business maybe some engineering. The liberal arts days ended when the cost of the education passed the ability to earn.
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Dang it...This is what I was going to write, but was wading through everything else. I'd disagree with the Engineering though because,in reality, MSU has some excellent programs that are enticing to kids. UM has Forestry. There is some disconnect in that aspect. UM needs someone that can help cultivate "majors" to attract students. Everything changes, there's ebb and flow, and even higher education needs to be malleable when it comes to advancement. How about a freakin medical school? How about expansion of the healthcare industry (yes I'm a little bias, but there are needs everywhere)? It can happen. It takes money...which is always the kicker, but spend some to build.
 
BWahlberg said:
BillingsMafia said:
More degrees that lead to decent jobs is what is needed. UM has always ignored this but the new economy of this country demands it. The president understands this or he will fail. Medical field, business maybe some engineering. The liberal arts days ended when the cost of the education passed the ability to earn.
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Disagree to some extent - there will always be a need for liberal arts related fields and the UM should stick to being the primary source for those.

The UM should not try to go head to head (engineering for example) with MSU because that's a wasted effort, IMO. Butte and Bozeman do it better, find different avenues don't just try to duplicate.

Build up an expand successful programs on campus that are also growing and in big national need. Biology, Sciences, Physical Therapy, Pharmacy, Business, Law, Forestry, and so on.

However yes, medical, computer technology, & other widely untapped fields they could go after - they should take a run at.
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Well crap...just delete my post :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I think Stearns was a great pick. She could certainly take over permanently. Take your time on that search Clay....
 
grizpack said:
I think Stearns was a great pick. She could certainly take over permanently. Take your time on that search Clay....
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Hal and Sheila were neighbors for many years, and I knew Hal Sr at the Harlowton Times. Sheila is a natural leader and would be a great fit as a permanent president.
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizpack said:
I think Stearns was a great pick. She could certainly take over permanently. Take your time on that search Clay....
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Hal and Sheila were neighbors for many years, and I knew Hal Sr at the Harlowton Times. Sheila is a natural leader and would be a great fit as a permanent president.
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Its too bad Dennison was chosen over her back when.................. Not sure how long she could be around though now. Not that there is anything wrong with being 70.
 
"How about a freakin medical school? How about expansion of the healthcare industry (yes I'm a little bias, but there are needs everywhere)? It can happen. It takes money...which is always the kicker, but spend some to build."

Have heard rumors they may be looking/hoping to at OT to the mix (along with pharm, PT, and ST). Long-term a med school would be great, just not sure how that will happen. Hopefully state doesn't get one first.
 
Dean Evans from the college of education is a strong leader. Would we want somebody from UM to move into the position?
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
grizpack said:
grizcountry420 said:
wbtfg said:
I just saw a petition circulating on facebook to hire Denise Juneau as the new president of UM.
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I would fall on my own sword if they did that....
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Do you have an extra sword?
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I'd be willing to bet you hillbillies don't know Denise and are just judging on stereo types
 
MTGRZ said:
"How about a freakin medical school? How about expansion of the healthcare industry (yes I'm a little bias, but there are needs everywhere)? It can happen. It takes money...which is always the kicker, but spend some to build."

Have heard rumors they may be looking/hoping to at OT to the mix (along with pharm, PT, and ST). Long-term a med school would be great, just not sure how that will happen. Hopefully state doesn't get one first.
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I hesitate to point out "State" has a medical school. Clerkships are supervised by U of W. U of M (under Engstrom) started a very well thought of Residency program for Primary Care physicians at a very low cost (to set up) and has had a a huge effect on the delivery of medical services in Western Montana.

http://health.umt.edu/fmrwm/

http://www.montana.edu/wwami/prospective_students/admissions.html
 
tnt said:
MTGRZ said:
"How about a freakin medical school? How about expansion of the healthcare industry (yes I'm a little bias, but there are needs everywhere)? It can happen. It takes money...which is always the kicker, but spend some to build."

Have heard rumors they may be looking/hoping to at OT to the mix (along with pharm, PT, and ST). Long-term a med school would be great, just not sure how that will happen. Hopefully state doesn't get one first.
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I hesitate to point out "State" has a medical school. Clerkships are supervised by U of W. U of M (under Engstrom started a very well thought of Residency program for Primary Care physicians. at a very low cost (to set up) and has had a a hue effect on the delivery of medical services in Western Montana.

http://health.umt.edu/fmrwm/ http://www.montana.edu/wwami/prospective_students/admissions.html
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You are right. I forgot about that. However, if we can get an actual full medical school program at UM i would guess that would do us well. Obviously state would not want to give up those students, but it would be nice to have that program. Missoula is the best location for a med school in MT, and eventually it would benefit Montana as a whole to have an in-state medical school. Not sure how that happens, but it would be nice!

Go Griz!
 
A medical school needs to be tied into a large hospital complex; the largest one in MT is the Billings Clinic/St. Vincent's. Most teaching and research occurs within a hospital complex. This enormous complex is but a stone's throw from MSU-B and Rocky.
 
BWahlberg said:
BillingsMafia said:
More degrees that lead to decent jobs is what is needed. UM has always ignored this but the new economy of this country demands it. The president understands this or he will fail. Medical field, business maybe some engineering. The liberal arts days ended when the cost of the education passed the ability to earn.
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Disagree to some extent - there will always be a need for liberal arts related fields and the UM should stick to being the primary source for those.

The UM should not try to go head to head (engineering for example) with MSU because that's a wasted effort, IMO. Butte and Bozeman do it better, find different avenues don't just try to duplicate.

Build up an expand successful programs on campus that are also growing and in big national need. Biology, Sciences, Physical Therapy, Pharmacy, Business, Law, Forestry, and so on.

However yes, medical, computer technology, & other widely untapped fields they could go after - they should take a run at.
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I would agree that Montana shouldn't try to recreate the wheel with something already better done elsewhere in the state. My wife heads an OT department @ a local university that can't build fast enough to cover the need for space to teach/train folks in need of advanced degrees in her & a number of other medical fields. I really hope there's a concerted effort to get under what their potential "customers" need and want. Simply building out what works today is only a partial solution. Need to make some suppositions & take a considered look into the future. Placing some bets there is well warranted.

Ps. Somehow, someway we've got to show those perspective students, wherever they may be, that they're as important to UM as they are anywhere else. Put some money in marketing.
 
kemajic said:
A medical school needs to be tied into a large hospital complex; the largest one in MT is the Billings Clinic/St. Vincent's. Most teaching and research occurs within a hospital complex. This enormous complex is but a stone's throw from MSU-B and Rocky.
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Thats why we contract clerkships. There is another issue with medical school. Last year, the state of Montana appropriated $3.5 million in support of the Montana WWAMI program. Of this $3.5 million, nearly $620,000 is spent for the first-year education program at Montana State University in Bozeman. Approximately $2.9 million is the contract payment to UW School of Medicine for the second, third and fourth years combined. However, 50 percent of the $3.5 million - $1.75 million -- is spent in Montana between the first year in Bozeman and the amount used to support clerkships in the third and fourth years. Overall, the average annual state support per year per student in Montana is $44,820. According to the the American Association of Medical Colleges the estimated average annual state support per student in the US is $115,874. Montana’s state support per student is $71,054 less than the national average. Sure a full blown Medical school at U of M SOUNDS great but talk about a drain on resources...................

BUT it would likley be a boon to the state. Outcomes of the program at the University of Washington School of Medicine and WWAMI indicate that, over 30 years, 61percent of graduating students stay within the five-state area to practice. Over the course of the past 20 years, approximately 50 percent of graduating students have chosen to pursue careers in primary care. A HUGE need in our state. I would suspect some of that state student support could be eased by a contract with students to practice in Montana X years. North Dakota does something similar as I recall.
 
I know people are talking about making new departments and things but honestly the trend of students choosing msu over um is going to continue as long as we don't give a damn about our stem fields. We invest so much money into our liberal arts programs and the people who want those degrees should go to um. But people know that's not a viable path in the real world anymore.
It's not enough to get a history, art, or music degree.

For example the computer science field is considered one of the most profitable fields you can go into if a 4 year degree is your plan. Our cs department is vastly underfunded and horribly run. The cs department has 1 classroom that is theirs on campus. Meanwhile our music department has its own building. We take down half the oval for a year to build a Native American studies building.

I never want to hear about why ums enrollment is down as long as the university constantly invests in programs that fewer and fewer people attend because they don't produce quality jobs
 
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