End NIL Idea

[maroonandsilver]

No we won't. NIL overall is not sustainable. The University Of Utah is getting sued because of Title 9 violations related to their NIL. The majority of Montana's roster will continue to be Montana kids that are developed and in most cases, will not have an opportunity for any bigtime NIL offerings.

Who said NIL has to be "big time"? NIL can be used to supplement partial scholarships to full scholarship levels.

That is exactly what MSU is doing and they have used it to their advantage in in-State recruiting.

 

[GrizRealist]

Facilities are the selling point you think they are my guy. They were at one point because we were so far ahead of other FCS schools, but they have caught up. Again, its hard to use your facilities as a selling point because UM has something a program of their stature is supposed to have.

No one at our level has caught up.

There are plenty of schools with excellent facilities at our level. Combine that with the fact that PSA's arent choosing a school because they have a cool weight room, and if they are they aren't very smart. Good facilities are a nice bonus, but no longer a major driving factor in a recruitment. Glad we have a cool champions center, but if our main recruiting pitch is "look at our fancy building" we have bigger problems.

 

[heightsgriz]

Here's my idea - Don't penalize or restrict the players, restrict the teams. Each Division 1 team is only allowed X number of portal transfers per year (maybe 6-8?)and the team accepting the transfer owes the original team some form of compensation. There are 254 division one FB teams. Six transfers each comes to 1524 players who get to change teams each year. Grad transfers can go anywhere at any time.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

It’s not the P4 teams our NIL needs to compete against. It’s schools like MSU, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..etc that our collective needs to help us to win recruiting battles over. MSU is already winning the NIl battle, and has beat us for recruits as a result. On the NIL front we’re losing the arms race, and need to play catch-up in a hurry, which is why there is an apparent sense of urgency from hauck

We're not competing against any school on that list accept MSU. There is not one potential recruit picking Montana over one of these schools Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..including the etc ones. Come back to reality. Pay our coaches more before any money goes to a player. We have witnessed how the foundation of a program is weakened when you hire inadequate coaches.

Wrong. UM routinely competes for recruits with those schools and sometimes wins those battles. We can win more of those battles with a robust NIL collective.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

NIL is more necessary to keep players than to attract players out of high school. I would think some players will stay for good money, not max money.

I don't believe this to be true at the FCS level. Schools are starting to supplement partial scholarships to high school recruits with NIL money to make it a full equivalent.

Yes, and this is what we need to do as well. Use NIL money to make some of the partials full scholarships

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

UM has 3 in NFL now including McConnell from last season.

You wouldn’t pay to keep Bergen? I assume NIL would be used mostly to keep players we already have.

Nope on paying Bergen a penny more than the full ride scholarship he already gets. He'll be gone in a year. The facilities and coaching staff will be here much longer. The Griz have had lots of great returners and the only consistent is the person coaching them.

Well we are competing against those schools for players whether you believe it or not. It’s obvious you just don’t like the idea of NIL.

I’m not crazy about it either but it’s the current way the college world works.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

UM is implementing a model for success which will include NIL.

Not going to happen.

Yes, it is.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

It’s not the P4 teams our NIL needs to compete against. It’s schools like MSU, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..etc that our collective needs to help us to win recruiting battles over. MSU is already winning the NIl battle, and has beat us for recruits as a result. On the NIL front we’re losing the arms race, and need to play catch-up in a hurry, which is why there is an apparent sense of urgency from hauck

We're not competing against any school on that list accept MSU. There is not one potential recruit picking Montana over one of these schools Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..including the etc ones. Come back to reality. Pay our coaches more before any money goes to a player. We have witnessed how the foundation of a program is weakened when you hire inadequate coaches.

Your entire argument circles around the idea that it's pointless to pay players because we can't compete with bigger programs, and you have already admitted we can't possibly pay coaches enough to keep them from going to bigger programs, which means that - according to your own logic - paying the coaches more must also therefore be pointless.

UM will not compete in the modern game without NIL. Our facilities are great - particularly the stadium - but if you think other programs aren't catching up, especially with their facilities beyond the stadium, you are again completely out of touch.

Look, it's clear you simply don't care for NIL. Join the club. But not liking something doesn't make it magically go away, nor does offering up (and then doubling down on) arguments that are both detached from reality and completely without merit.

 

[indiancoyote]

We're not competing against any school on that list accept MSU. There is not one potential recruit picking Montana over one of these schools Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..including the etc ones. Come back to reality. Pay our coaches more before any money goes to a player. We have witnessed how the foundation of a program is weakened when you hire inadequate coaches.

Your entire argument circles around the idea that it's pointless to pay players because we can't compete with bigger programs, and you have already admitted we can't possibly pay coaches enough to keep them from going to bigger programs, which means that - according to your own logic - paying the coaches more must also therefore be pointless.

UM will not compete in the modern game without NIL. Our facilities are great - particularly the stadium - but if you think other programs aren't catching up, especially with their facilities beyond the stadium, you are again completely out of touch.

Look, it's clear you simply don't care for NIL. Join the club. But not liking something doesn't make it magically go away, nor does offering up (and then doubling down on) arguments that are both detached from reality and completely without merit.

Who has caught up with the Griz facilities? I'll answer for you--no one. There will be over 27,000 in WAGriz Saturday and there isn't another stadium even close.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

There will be over 27,000 in WAGriz Saturday and there isn't another stadium even close.

Yet they apparently can't stay competitive with all those lesser programs by offering NIL.

 

[indiancoyote]

Who said NIL has to be "big time"? NIL can be used to supplement partial scholarships to full scholarship levels.

That is exactly what MSU is doing and they have used it to their advantage in in-State recruiting.

:lol: What advantage with in-state recruiting? All of the in-state recruits will be watching the Griz Saturday.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

That is exactly what MSU is doing and they have used it to their advantage in in-State recruiting.

:lol: What advantage with in-state recruiting? All of the in-state recruits will be watching the Griz Saturday.

MSU is currently offering guys partials, but increasing those partials to full ride schollies with NIL money…..UM has lost numerous recruits to MSU just in the last recruiting cycle as a result of this…..colter Nuanez reported it today in his skyline pod, and it has been discussed on here as well. The Griz NIL collective deficiencies are already negatively impacting recruitment at UM…..it’s why there is a big push right now to get our collective on the move. It’s VERY important

 

[indiancoyote]

:lol: What advantage with in-state recruiting? All of the in-state recruits will be watching the Griz Saturday.

MSU is currently offering guys partials, but increasing those partials to full ride schollies with NIL money…..UM has lost numerous recruits to MSU just in the last recruiting cycle as a result of this…..colter Nuanez reported it today in his skyline pod, and it has been discussed on here as well. The NIL is already impacting recruitment at UM…..it’s why there is a big push right now to get our collective on the move. It’s VERY important

That would violate NCAA rules. Not happening.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

MSU is currently offering guys partials, but increasing those partials to full ride schollies with NIL money…..UM has lost numerous recruits to MSU just in the last recruiting cycle as a result of this…..colter Nuanez reported it today in his skyline pod, and it has been discussed on here as well. The NIL is already impacting recruitment at UM…..it’s why there is a big push right now to get our collective on the move. It’s VERY important

That would violate NCAA rules. Not happening.

It is happening, and it was reported by colter today, and it has been acknowledged by those close to the program….its also not a violation of any rule, it’s a smart way of skirting some scholarship limit rules

 

[Ursa Major]

MSU is currently offering guys partials, but increasing those partials to full ride schollies with NIL money…..UM has lost numerous recruits to MSU just in the last recruiting cycle as a result of this…..colter Nuanez reported it today in his skyline pod, and it has been discussed on here as well. The NIL is already impacting recruitment at UM…..it’s why there is a big push right now to get our collective on the move. It’s VERY important

That would violate NCAA rules. Not happening.

I wonder how many wives/husbands/partners you’ve had?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

MSU is currently offering guys partials, but increasing those partials to full ride schollies with NIL money…..UM has lost numerous recruits to MSU just in the last recruiting cycle as a result of this…..colter Nuanez reported it today in his skyline pod, and it has been discussed on here as well. The NIL is already impacting recruitment at UM…..it’s why there is a big push right now to get our collective on the move. It’s VERY important

That would violate NCAA rules. Not happening.

Incorrect

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

That would violate NCAA rules. Not happening.

Incorrect

Yeah, there’s no rule that says you can’t use NIL money to make up the difference in partial scholarships, essentially turning them into full rides. It’s a unique way of skirting the scholarship limit, and is happening at the FBS level as well. MSU beat us to the punch on this one. We have to make up ground now, and quickly.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

MSU is currently offering guys partials, but increasing those partials to full ride schollies with NIL money…..UM has lost numerous recruits to MSU just in the last recruiting cycle as a result of this…..colter Nuanez reported it today in his skyline pod, and it has been discussed on here as well. The NIL is already impacting recruitment at UM…..it’s why there is a big push right now to get our collective on the move. It’s VERY important

That would violate NCAA rules. Not happening.

You do know that the NCAA has very few rules on name, image, and likeness rights? Like the whole point of Alston was that the NCAA's rules regulating NIL were unconstitutional and now we're all just trying to figure out what happens next.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Incorrect

Yeah, there’s no rule that says you can’t use NIL money to make up the difference in partial scholarships, essentially turning them into full rides. It’s a unique way of skirting the scholarship limit, and is happening at the FBS level as well. MSU beat us to the punch on this one. We have to make up ground now, and quickly.

But I assume it would come from the NIL, not the school, it would be set an amount to approximate that piece of a scholarship, and it would be taxable to the player.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

Yeah, there’s no rule that says you can’t use NIL money to make up the difference in partial scholarships, essentially turning them into full rides. It’s a unique way of skirting the scholarship limit, and is happening at the FBS level as well. MSU beat us to the punch on this one. We have to make up ground now, and quickly.

But I assume it would come from the NIL, not the school, it would be set an amount to approximate that piece of a scholarship, and it would be taxable to the player.

Correct. I have a very rudimentary understanding of all of this, but that’s how it sounds like this is being done. It also sounds like this is being done large scale at the P4 FBS programs, so that even the walk ons are really walk on in name only, and the 85 scholarship limit looks a lot more like 100 or so. It’s truly the Wild West right now. There’s no oversight and hardly any rules.

*also, on the tax issue, I would hope a lot of these players receiving NIL funds are being coached on how to properly declare that income, or else a lot of them are in for some unwanted IRS attention.