End NIL Idea

[mthoopsfan]

What others are laying down is a fairytale. There is only one family that is responsible for the stadium and champions center. This fairytale that Montana athletics and football specifically has this broad spectrum of huge donors is laughable.

Again. This shows how uninformed you are.

As you know, there have been big donations and other donors for many other projects. I assume the indoor practice facility, but don't know. The Academic Center. Other pieces of the Performance Center. The first video scoreboard at UM stadium. The NEZ expensive. The plaza up where the Canyon Club is. The Hall of Champions. The Dance Team and Cheer Squad (ha).

My impression is that UM/Bobby could get significant money fairly quickly for NIL, but how would UM sustain that money year after year. Big donors tend to want to get their names associated with a project, and not keep donating year after year for something that is more like ongoing operations.

 

[indiancoyote]

Again. This shows how uninformed you are.

As you know, there have been big donations and other donors for many other projects. I assume the indoor practice facility, but don't know. The Academic Center. Other pieces of the Performance Center. The first video scoreboard at UM stadium. The NEZ expensive. The plaza up where the Canyon Club is. The Hall of Champions. The Dance Team and Cheer Squad (ha).

My impression is that UM/Bobby could get significant money fairly quickly for NIL, but how would UM sustain that money year after year. Big donors tend to want to get their names associated with a project, and not keep donating year after year for something that is more like ongoing operations.

Hoops is spot on and that's why NIL want work at UM long term. UM has a model for success it starts with great coaching and elite facilities.

 

[mtgrizzly]

NIL can be sustainable, if what is in the works happens. YES the GRIZ are in the semifinals this week but what you seem to keep not understanding or don't care to understand is that the NIL is still so new that we have yet to see the full effect on us. If we don't use it to our benefit we will not continue at the highest level of FCS and that is a fact, we will lose the recruiting battle year after year.

 

[indiancoyote]

NIL can be sustainable, if what is in the works happens. YES the GRIZ are in the semifinals this week but what you seem to keep not understanding or don't care to understand is that the NIL is still so new that we have yet to see the full effect on us. If we don't use it to our benefit we will not continue at the highest level of FCS and that is a fact, we will lose the recruiting battle year after year.

No we won't. NIL overall is not sustainable. The University Of Utah is getting sued because of Title 9 violations related to their NIL. The majority of Montana's roster will continue to be Montana kids that are developed and in most cases, will not have an opportunity for any bigtime NIL offerings.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

UM has a model for success it starts with great coaching and elite facilities.

UM is implementing a model for success which will include NIL.

 

[indiancoyote]

UM has a model for success it starts with great coaching and elite facilities.

UM is implementing a model for success which will include NIL.

Not going to happen.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

NIL can be sustainable, if what is in the works happens. YES the GRIZ are in the semifinals this week but what you seem to keep not understanding or don't care to understand is that the NIL is still so new that we have yet to see the full effect on us. If we don't use it to our benefit we will not continue at the highest level of FCS and that is a fact, we will lose the recruiting battle year after year.

No we won't. NIL overall is not sustainable. The University Of Utah is getting sued because of Title 9 violations related to their NIL. The majority of Montana's roster will continue to be Montana kids that are developed and in most cases, will not have an opportunity for any bigtime NIL offerings.

Who said NIL has to be "big time"? NIL can be used to supplement partial scholarships to full scholarship levels.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

UM is implementing a model for success which will include NIL.

Not going to happen.

It has already begun.

 

[indiancoyote]

Not going to happen.

It has already begun.

You mean the relaunch of something that already failed? Was it like 10 years to raise a little over $7 million for the indoor facility and you think there is a magical pot of donors to pay players?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

It has already begun.

You mean the relaunch of something that already failed? Was it like 10 years to raise a little over $7 million for the indoor facility and you think there is a magical pot of donors to pay players?

For the record, I think the NIL system, or really lack of system, is a steaming pile of manure. But if you don't implement it, another tool in recruiting and keeping players, you will fall behind and not be successful. If Montana proceeds without, they will struggle to keep up with the top programs in FCS. I truly believe you 1) overvalue what will be necessary and 2) undervalue the impact small donors can have. As long as NIL is a thing, UM will not succeed on coaches and facilities alone. My gut tells me that NIL can be effective at Montana and not cost anywhere near what you think.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

It’s not the P4 teams our NIL needs to compete against. It’s schools like MSU, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..etc that our collective needs to help us to win recruiting battles over. MSU is already winning the NIl battle, and has beat us for recruits as a result. On the NIL front we’re losing the arms race, and need to play catch-up in a hurry, which is why there is an apparent sense of urgency from hauck

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I will also add that maybe NIL isn't sustainable, but you can't sit on your hands waiting for it to fail.

 

[indiancoyote]

It’s not the P4 teams our NIL needs to compete against. It’s schools like MSU, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..etc that our collective needs to help us to win recruiting battles over. MSU is already winning the NIl battle, and has beat us for recruits as a result. On the NIL front we’re losing the arms race, and need to play catch-up in a hurry, which is why there is an apparent sense of urgency from hauck

We're not competing against any school on that list accept MSU. There is not one potential recruit picking Montana over one of these schools Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..including the etc ones. Come back to reality. Pay our coaches more before any money goes to a player. We have witnessed how the foundation of a program is weakened when you hire inadequate coaches.

 

[Griz Time]

Not going to happen.

It has already begun.

“This is the Way.” — The Armorer

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

It’s not the P4 teams our NIL needs to compete against. It’s schools like MSU, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..etc that our collective needs to help us to win recruiting battles over. MSU is already winning the NIl battle, and has beat us for recruits as a result. On the NIL front we’re losing the arms race, and need to play catch-up in a hurry, which is why there is an apparent sense of urgency from hauck

We're not competing against any school on that list accept MSU. There is not one potential recruit picking Montana over one of these schools Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..including the etc ones. Come back to reality. Pay our coaches more before any money goes to a player. We have witnessed how the foundation of a program is weakened when you hire inadequate coaches.

What about inadequate players?

 

[GrizRealist]

As you know, there have been big donations and other donors for many other projects. I assume the indoor practice facility, but don't know. The Academic Center. Other pieces of the Performance Center. The first video scoreboard at UM stadium. The NEZ expensive. The plaza up where the Canyon Club is. The Hall of Champions. The Dance Team and Cheer Squad (ha).

My impression is that UM/Bobby could get significant money fairly quickly for NIL, but how would UM sustain that money year after year. Big donors tend to want to get their names associated with a project, and not keep donating year after year for something that is more like ongoing operations.

Hoops is spot on and that's why NIL want work at UM long term. UM has a model for success it starts with great coaching and elite facilities.

Facilities are the selling point you think they are my guy. They were at one point because we were so far ahead of other FCS schools, but they have caught up. Again, its hard to use your facilities as a selling point because UM has something a program of their stature is supposed to have.

 

[indiancoyote]

Hoops is spot on and that's why NIL want work at UM long term. UM has a model for success it starts with great coaching and elite facilities.

Facilities are the selling point you think they are my guy. They were at one point because we were so far ahead of other FCS schools, but they have caught up. Again, its hard to use your facilities as a selling point because UM has something a program of their stature is supposed to have.

No one at our level has caught up.

 

[GrizRealist]

NIL can be sustainable, if what is in the works happens. YES the GRIZ are in the semifinals this week but what you seem to keep not understanding or don't care to understand is that the NIL is still so new that we have yet to see the full effect on us. If we don't use it to our benefit we will not continue at the highest level of FCS and that is a fact, we will lose the recruiting battle year after year.

No we won't. NIL overall is not sustainable. The University Of Utah is getting sued because of Title 9 violations related to their NIL. The majority of Montana's roster will continue to be Montana kids that are developed and in most cases, will not have an opportunity for any bigtime NIL offerings.

Even if its not sustainable (I think it is), UM has to play the game to not get left behind. You may not like. Coaches may not like it. But its part of the world we live in now. UM can't just snub their nose at NIL and say their above it. The recruiting game has changed extensively over the past few years and UM doesn't have the clout you seem to think they do to just stand on the sidelines and expects players to come here, because recruits are going to always choose something over nothing.

 

[mthoopsfan]

It’s not the P4 teams our NIL needs to compete against. It’s schools like MSU, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..etc that our collective needs to help us to win recruiting battles over. MSU is already winning the NIl battle, and has beat us for recruits as a result. On the NIL front we’re losing the arms race, and need to play catch-up in a hurry, which is why there is an apparent sense of urgency from hauck

We're not competing against any school on that list accept MSU. There is not one potential recruit picking Montana over one of these schools Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV…..including the etc ones. Come back to reality. Pay our coaches more before any money goes to a player. We have witnessed how the foundation of a program is weakened when you hire inadequate coaches.

NIL is more necessary to keep players than to attract players out of high school. I would think some players will stay for good money, not max money.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

NIL is more necessary to keep players than to attract players out of high school. I would think some players will stay for good money, not max money.

I don't believe this to be true at the FCS level. Schools are starting to supplement partial scholarships to high school recruits with NIL money to make it a full equivalent.