End NIL Idea

[HelenaHandBasket]

You are wrong, it is beginning to be the reality with the top FCS schools also. The Griz will not maintain that success without matching the other top FCS and even lower tier FBS schools. I know for a fact that MSU got multiple in-state kids that the Griz were interested during the last recruiting cycle because they offered NIL money. If UM waits, it will be too late.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Ok. MSU will be watching the Griz this weekend and so will all of the in-state recruits.

Maybe, but we will see how NIL impacts things 3-4 years down the road when it matures from the infancy stage it is currently.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

You are wrong, it is beginning to be the reality with the top FCS schools also. The Griz will not maintain that success without matching the other top FCS and even lower tier FBS schools. I know for a fact that MSU got multiple in-state kids that the Griz were interested during the last recruiting cycle because they offered NIL money. If UM waits, it will be too late.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Ok. MSU will be watching the Griz this weekend and so will all of the in-state recruits.

You sound like one of those dudes who claims climate change isn't real because it snowed last weekend. Your anecdote of one year - especially when the whole NIL thing is so new and not deeply engrained within the FCS yet - is so beyond any rational thought as to not even warrant the mocking of it.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Compete with who? You need to answer that question. If your answer is MSU, you're a moron. If your answer is Alabama, no poop. Multiple people have said it, but it apparently needs to be resaid: we're competing against MSU, NDSU, etc., and how we compete financially against them absolutely makes a difference.

Moreover, you just admitted the fallacy of your own argument. You say we "can't compete" in NIL and thus shouldn't even try, yet you're claiming we should poor money saved from not doing NIL into coaches salaries and the like while simultaneously admitting we can't compete with big schools for coaching salaries.

Again, bereft of any logic from top to bottom.

We're not competing against NDSU for recruits. The majority of kids that pick MSU over UM is because of the degrees offered. I know that seems like a funny reason to select a school. Montana is in the final four, so it proves my point. No NIL money required, just great coaching and élite facilities.

Claiming the majority of people do something - whether you're right or wrong - immediately implies there's a minority who do something else. And in the case of football players, a minority of people (like a couple of players in key positions) can make a world of difference.

As you scrape and claw to save any semblance of rationality in your argument, you're only digging your hole deeper.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

To the board, serious question:

Can anyone vouch for IndianCoyote? I don't follow individual posters to know enough about him. Actual Griz fan, or troll? Because this feels like a troll thread.

 

[indiancoyote]

The University of Montana is never going to be able to compete around NIL money. Compete with who? Other FCS schools-- Yes. MWC schools-- Some. Power 5 schools-- No. We should also celebrate when a coach from U of M gets a big pay raise at a larger university. Who was last coach to move on for a bigger pay raise? Hauck? I think most were happy for him, just disappointed he never won a chipper. The assistant coaches at Montana and MSU are not even paid a living wage for those communities. Agreed. The majority of Montana kids on the Griz roster would never even be considered for any NIL money. They have been developed by the coaches. The ones that are good enough to garner that interests are going out of state to bigger universities. Disagree to some extent. Yes, one or two top kids go to PAC2 or Big20, but the others Griz have a shot at. Yes, most are developmental prospects and recruited as such. Very few start as Freshmen. But that is true at all FCS schools. And that is who we are mostly competing with regards to NIL.

It's funny when people mention Hauck not winning a national title but leave out that he played for it every other year. The Griz are in the final 4 because of great coaching and elite facilities. Can not argue it.

 

[GallatinGriz03]

To the board, serious question:

Can anyone vouch for IndianCoyote? I don't follow individual posters to know enough about him. Actual Griz fan, or troll? Because this feels like a troll thread.

No idea, but I don't think IndianCoyote is trolling. He just has a different opinion on NIL than (maybe) most here and I'm enjoying the discussion.

 

[GallatinGriz03]

It's funny when people mention Hauck not winning a national title but leave out that he played for it every other year. The Griz are in the final 4 because of great coaching and elite facilities. Can not argue it.

And that's why I said most were disappointed he didn't win one. 0 for 3 in some thrilling games. Maybe some were glad to see him move on. I was hoping he would stay around and win one.

 

[GrizRealist]

Holy fook does the OP have his head in the sand or what. Go ask all he elite facility schools around the country how far down the importance of those elite facilities has become in the NIL era. Hate to break it to you, but if UM decides to not play the NIL game, they will struggle to be even competitive. The landscape of college football has changed, for better or for worse. Schools either need to get on board or be prepared for the consequences of not doing what is required to remain competitive.

I'm assuming you are of the more mature generation who is really missing "the way things used to be" and think "these kids are spoiled these days", but if you have any interest in Montana winning a national championship, you'd better fully embrace NIL because its immensely important and not going away.

Furthermore. This whole thread is dumb. Dumb original post, dumb follow-up arguments by the original poster. Pouring money into things that are less important to recruits is just dumb. Good facilities are an expectation. not a differences maker like they used to be. Even Oregon, the mecca of facilities doesn't lean into it anymore. We are all now dumber for having ready this dumb post. Bye

 

[indiancoyote]

Holy fook does the OP have his head in the sand or what. Go ask all he elite facility schools around the country how far down the importance of those elite facilities has become in the NIL era. Hate to break it to you, but if UM decides to not play the NIL game, they will struggle to be even competitive. The landscape of college football has changed, for better or for worse. Schools either need to get on board or be prepared for the consequences of not doing what is required to remain competitive.

I'm assuming you are of the more mature generation who is really missing "the way things used to be" and think "these kids are spoiled these days", but if you have any interest in Montana winning a national championship, you'd better fully embrace NIL because its immensely important and not going away.

Furthermore. This whole thread is dumb. Dumb original post, dumb follow-up arguments by the original poster. Pouring money into things that are less important to recruits is just dumb. Good facilities are an expectation. not a differences maker like they used to be. Even Oregon, the mecca of facilities doesn't lean into it anymore. We are all now dumber for having ready this dumb post. Bye

When someone posts like this you know you've won the debate. Montana is not playing the NIL game. They're playing in the national semifinals because of great coaching and no NIL. Montana will never have a NIL that makes a difference. If you think Oregon is the mecca of facilities you need to go visit any SEC school.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Holy fook does the OP have his head in the sand or what. Go ask all he elite facility schools around the country how far down the importance of those elite facilities has become in the NIL era. Hate to break it to you, but if UM decides to not play the NIL game, they will struggle to be even competitive. The landscape of college football has changed, for better or for worse. Schools either need to get on board or be prepared for the consequences of not doing what is required to remain competitive.

I'm assuming you are of the more mature generation who is really missing "the way things used to be" and think "these kids are spoiled these days", but if you have any interest in Montana winning a national championship, you'd better fully embrace NIL because its immensely important and not going away.

Furthermore. This whole thread is dumb. Dumb original post, dumb follow-up arguments by the original poster. Pouring money into things that are less important to recruits is just dumb. Good facilities are an expectation. not a differences maker like they used to be. Even Oregon, the mecca of facilities doesn't lean into it anymore. We are all now dumber for having ready this dumb post. Bye

When someone posts like this you know you've won the debate. Montana is not playing the NIL game. They're playing in the national semifinals because of great coaching and no NIL. Montana will never have a NIL that makes a difference. If you think Oregon is the mecca of facilities you need to go visit any SEC school.

Talk about right over his head, coyote just can't seem to grasp what others are laying down.

 

[indiancoyote]

When someone posts like this you know you've won the debate. Montana is not playing the NIL game. They're playing in the national semifinals because of great coaching and no NIL. Montana will never have a NIL that makes a difference. If you think Oregon is the mecca of facilities you need to go visit any SEC school.

Talk about right over his head, coyote just can't seem to grasp what others are laying down.

What others are laying down is a fairytale. There is only one family that is responsible for the stadium and champions center. This fairytale that Montana athletics and football specifically has this broad spectrum of huge donors is laughable.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

If UM fails to adapt to NIL it will lose recruiting battles….period. Bobby knows, and from what it sounds like has acknowledged it. It’s time for UM to dominate on the NIL front. I think the fans can be a HUGE part of this. The NIL page https://www.goodolgrizzlies.com/home?k=9c1dc9e1 has made it very easy for fans. For $11 per month you can be a member. You can also do the support a sport option which has customizable donation options. Missoula businesses also need to pony up. It’s estimated that ~$7.5 million in profit is brought into Missoula for each home game. In the playoffs alone, the Griz football program has potentially brought something in the range of $15-22.5 million dollars into the Missoula economy! Missoula needs to take care of its cash cow for a change, and help to keep the Griz great…:

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Talk about right over his head, coyote just can't seem to grasp what others are laying down.

What others are laying down is a fairytale. There is only one family that is responsible for the stadium and champions center. This fairytale that Montana athletics and football specifically has this broad spectrum of huge donors is laughable.

You believing that the Griz will compete for Championships in the future without embracing NIL is fairytale. It seems that you are misguided if you think it will take huge donors to achieve a level that would be necessary to implement NIL at the level required.

 

[GrizRealist]

Holy fook does the OP have his head in the sand or what. Go ask all he elite facility schools around the country how far down the importance of those elite facilities has become in the NIL era. Hate to break it to you, but if UM decides to not play the NIL game, they will struggle to be even competitive. The landscape of college football has changed, for better or for worse. Schools either need to get on board or be prepared for the consequences of not doing what is required to remain competitive.

I'm assuming you are of the more mature generation who is really missing "the way things used to be" and think "these kids are spoiled these days", but if you have any interest in Montana winning a national championship, you'd better fully embrace NIL because its immensely important and not going away.

Furthermore. This whole thread is dumb. Dumb original post, dumb follow-up arguments by the original poster. Pouring money into things that are less important to recruits is just dumb. Good facilities are an expectation. not a differences maker like they used to be. Even Oregon, the mecca of facilities doesn't lean into it anymore. We are all now dumber for having ready this dumb post. Bye

When someone posts like this you know you've won the debate. Montana is not playing the NIL game. They're playing in the national semifinals because of great coaching and no NIL. Montana will never have a NIL that makes a difference. If you think Oregon is the mecca of facilities you need to go visit any SEC school.

This post, although only a few sentences tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of college football in present day.

College football has seen only the tip of the iceberg as it relates to NIL. The fact you think UM can just ignore it and continue to be successful based on good coaching and facilities is utterly laughable. NIL is part of the game going forward and is going to be the driving factor in building a competitive, championship roster. I hate to break it to you, but players are no longer wowed with fancy weight rooms and indoor practice facilities. Good programs are expected to have them, they are no longer a differentiating factor like they once were.

Not that I really care as I dont have a dog in the fight, but I have toured quite a few football facilities around the country, including Oregons. Theirs is right their or better than any in the country. Again, those are things competitive programs are expected to have. They arent winning any recruiting battles.

 

[GrizRealist]

Holy fook does the OP have his head in the sand or what. Go ask all he elite facility schools around the country how far down the importance of those elite facilities has become in the NIL era. Hate to break it to you, but if UM decides to not play the NIL game, they will struggle to be even competitive. The landscape of college football has changed, for better or for worse. Schools either need to get on board or be prepared for the consequences of not doing what is required to remain competitive.

I'm assuming you are of the more mature generation who is really missing "the way things used to be" and think "these kids are spoiled these days", but if you have any interest in Montana winning a national championship, you'd better fully embrace NIL because its immensely important and not going away.

Furthermore. This whole thread is dumb. Dumb original post, dumb follow-up arguments by the original poster. Pouring money into things that are less important to recruits is just dumb. Good facilities are an expectation. not a differences maker like they used to be. Even Oregon, the mecca of facilities doesn't lean into it anymore. We are all now dumber for having ready this dumb post. Bye

When someone posts like this you know you've won the debate. Montana is not playing the NIL game. They're playing in the national semifinals because of great coaching and no NIL. Montana will never have a NIL that makes a difference. If you think Oregon is the mecca of facilities you need to go visit any SEC school.

I'd also add that UM/Hauck are very much "playing the NIL game" as there was discussion just this week at QB Club as to how you can donate to the collective. Deny it all you want. Its happening and UM is going to play the game.

 

[GrizRealist]

Talk about right over his head, coyote just can't seem to grasp what others are laying down.

What others are laying down is a fairytale. There is only one family that is responsible for the stadium and champions center. This fairytale that Montana athletics and football specifically has this broad spectrum of huge donors is laughable.

Again. This shows how uninformed you are.

 

[indiancoyote]

When someone posts like this you know you've won the debate. Montana is not playing the NIL game. They're playing in the national semifinals because of great coaching and no NIL. Montana will never have a NIL that makes a difference. If you think Oregon is the mecca of facilities you need to go visit any SEC school.

I'd also add that UM/Hauck are very much "playing the NIL game" as there was discussion just this week at QB Club as to how you can donate to the collective. Deny it all you want. Its happening and UM is going to play the game.

:lol: Unless Dennis Washington or one of his children are in attendance the QB Club is irrelevant.

 

[GrizRealist]

I'd also add that UM/Hauck are very much "playing the NIL game" as there was discussion just this week at QB Club as to how you can donate to the collective. Deny it all you want. Its happening and UM is going to play the game.

:lol: Unless Dennis Washington or one of his children are in attendance the QB Club is irrelevant.

The QB has well over 500 members. You dont need to be a billionaire to make a difference.

Im starting to have a tough time distinguishing if this is all satire or if you are just not that smart. Its clear your pretty uniformed about the program and college football as whole. Glad you are just an eGriz peon and working in the AD.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I'd also add that UM/Hauck are very much "playing the NIL game" as there was discussion just this week at QB Club as to how you can donate to the collective. Deny it all you want. Its happening and UM is going to play the game.

:lol: Unless Dennis Washington or one of his children are in attendance the QB Club is irrelevant.

One of DW's son's is involved and was in Missoula for the UM Hall of Fame induction ceremony. He and his brother are tight with one of the big QB Club members, who is also good friends with Bobby. This member set up and brokered the Washington's big donation for the Performance Center. This idea had started with a night out on the town at Flathead Lake.The DW son was interviewed on-stage at the Hall of Fame dinner, by Riley C.

UM has some big hitter donors who are capable of big donations and have done so for other projects in the past. To give you an idea of magnitude, Engstrom asked one of the big hitters to donate $7 million for the Performance Center. He didn't donate that much, but that ask shows that the guy has some assets. This guy is one of Bobby's best friends. UM's problem is that it has only a limited number of these big hitters. Not like Texas, or even North Dakota.

 

[mthoopsfan]

:lol: Unless Dennis Washington or one of his children are in attendance the QB Club is irrelevant.

The QB has well over 500 members. You dont need to be a billionaire to make a difference.

Im starting to have a tough time distinguishing if this is all satire or if you are just not that smart. Its clear your pretty uniformed about the program and college football as whole. Glad you are just an eGriz peon and working in the AD.

My recollection is that membership is over 600 and growing. I think QB Club raised well over a million last year. Just going on memory, tho.