End NIL Idea

[indiancoyote]

We should end any idea of starting a NIL to pay players and instead dump that money into having elite facilities and being able to pay all of our coaches including the assistants. We should embrace the idea that we are a player development program for bigger programs and sale that to potential recruits. Instead of just having pictures of our athletes that went on to professional careers we could have a section dedicated to athletes that came to Montana and then transferred to larger programs. The idea that Montana is going to establish a NIL to compete against larger universities is laughable.

You obviously don’t have any clue about what is happening in college football if this is your opinion.

We’re not competing against Texas and Nebraska for NIL kids. We are competing against NDSU and Nevada and Air Force.

That's some funny sh*t right there. Montana is competing against Nevada and Air Force? :thumb: A huge percentage of Montana's roster is made up of Montana kids. When Montana starts putting players in the NFL again we'll start to compete against NDSU for recruits.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You obviously don’t have any clue about what is happening in college football if this is your opinion.

We’re not competing against Texas and Nebraska for NIL kids. We are competing against NDSU and Nevada and Air Force.

That's some funny sh*t right there. Montana is competing against Nevada and Air Force? :thumb: A huge percentage of Montana's roster is made up of Montana kids. When Montana starts putting players in the NFL again we'll start to compete against NDSU for recruits.

UM has 3 in NFL now including McConnell from last season.

You wouldn’t pay to keep Bergen? I assume NIL would be used mostly to keep players we already have.

 

[indiancoyote]

That's some funny sh*t right there. Montana is competing against Nevada and Air Force? :thumb: A huge percentage of Montana's roster is made up of Montana kids. When Montana starts putting players in the NFL again we'll start to compete against NDSU for recruits.

UM has 3 in NFL now including McConnell from last season.

You wouldn’t pay to keep Bergen? I assume NIL would be used mostly to keep players we already have.

Nope on paying Bergen a penny more than the full ride scholarship he already gets. He'll be gone in a year. The facilities and coaching staff will be here much longer. The Griz have had lots of great returners and the only consistent is the person coaching them.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

UM has 3 in NFL now including McConnell from last season.

You wouldn’t pay to keep Bergen? I assume NIL would be used mostly to keep players we already have.

Nope on paying Bergen a penny more than the full ride scholarship he already gets. He'll be gone in a year. The facilities and coaching staff will be here much longer. The Griz have had lots of great returners and the only consistent is the person coaching them.

How long do you think the coach would be around if they can't win? It is pretty simple that if you can't attract and keep the better players, you won't win many games. NIL is a big deal, and will eventually always win over facilities and staff because Montana does not and will not have a monopoly on either.

 

[mthoopsfan]

UM has 3 in NFL now including McConnell from last season.

You wouldn’t pay to keep Bergen? I assume NIL would be used mostly to keep players we already have.

Nope on paying Bergen a penny more than the full ride scholarship he already gets. He'll be gone in a year. The facilities and coaching staff will be here much longer. The Griz have had lots of great returners and the only consistent is the person coaching them.

Bergen is our best receiver. Best hands. In my view.

 

[dirtysoup]

We aren't competing against bigger schools. We're competing against other FCS and maybe lower G5 schools. And in today's day and age, money talks. No coach or facilities are gonna make as big a difference anymore. This is the new age of college football, for better or worse.

Like hell they don't.

Hypothetically, let's say you're looking for work and two companies offer you a job. One company has state of the art facilities and well respected bosses, but pays less. The other has dated facilities and less successful bosses, but pays better. For some, money isn't the only thing. But for many others, especially ones with skills that are highly sought after, they want to be compensated.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

UM has 3 in NFL now including McConnell from last season.

You wouldn’t pay to keep Bergen? I assume NIL would be used mostly to keep players we already have.

Nope on paying Bergen a penny more than the full ride scholarship he already gets. He'll be gone in a year. The facilities and coaching staff will be here much longer. The Griz have had lots of great returners and the only consistent is the person coaching them.

If the NIL is as low as you claim, then the "savings" made by not investing in NIL won't matter one damn bit in terms of being able to keep coaches or build better facilities, because the money doesn't add up to nearly enough to compete with the contracts bigger universities can offer anyways, nor does it add up to enough to mean a drop in the bucket in the price tag of multi-million dollar facilities. So your supposed upside of ditching one of the most important aspects of modern recruiting doesn't exist, yet you ignore that money - any money, even a few thousand or less - can make a damn big difference to a recruit from rural Montana, and that we're competing in NIL whether you like it or not. Your entire argument is bereft of any logic or rational though from top to bottom. It is downright shocking you could even type it without realizing how shortsighted and completely inane it is.

 

[indiancoyote]

Like hell they don't.

Hypothetically, let's say you're looking for work and two companies offer you a job. One company has state of the art facilities and well respected bosses, but pays less. The other has dated facilities and less successful bosses, but pays better. For some, money isn't the only thing. But for many others, especially ones with skills that are highly sought after, they want to be compensated.

The most successful companies in the world have the best facilities and employee friendly working environments that pay their workers a fair wage. Giving a player a full ride in combination with elite facilities and coaches that give them a shot at the NFL sales itself. Any recruit that is at WaGriz Saturday will be a Griz after they experience the facilities and environment and I'm not just talking football.

 

[GallatinGriz03]

Hypothetically, let's say you're looking for work and two companies offer you a job. One company has state of the art facilities and well respected bosses, but pays less. The other has dated facilities and less successful bosses, but pays better. For some, money isn't the only thing. But for many others, especially ones with skills that are highly sought after, they want to be compensated.

The most successful companies in the world have the best facilities and employee friendly working environments that pay their workers a fair wage. Giving a player a full ride in combination with elite facilities and coaches that give them a shot at the NFL sales itself. Any recruit that is at WaGriz Saturday will be a Griz after they experience the facilities and environment.

Unfortunately I don't think that is true anymore. Facilities are nice, but kids want to win and get compensated to do so.

 

[indiancoyote]

The most successful companies in the world have the best facilities and employee friendly working environments that pay their workers a fair wage. Giving a player a full ride in combination with elite facilities and coaches that give them a shot at the NFL sales itself. Any recruit that is at WaGriz Saturday will be a Griz after they experience the facilities and environment.

Unfortunately I don't think that is true anymore. Facilities are nice, but kids want to win and get compensated to do so.

Once again, the focus should not be on keeping recruits, but getting the most out of them while we have them. That's about great facilities and great coaching. The University should be marketing their success of getting players to the next level.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Unfortunately I don't think that is true anymore. Facilities are nice, but kids want to win and get compensated to do so.

Once again, the focus should not be on keeping recruits, but getting the most out of them while we have them. That's about great facilities and great coaching. The University should be marketing their success of getting players to the next level.

But NIL isn't only about keeping them, it is attracting them in the first place.

 

[dirtysoup]

Hypothetically, let's say you're looking for work and two companies offer you a job. One company has state of the art facilities and well respected bosses, but pays less. The other has dated facilities and less successful bosses, but pays better. For some, money isn't the only thing. But for many others, especially ones with skills that are highly sought after, they want to be compensated.

The most successful companies in the world have the best facilities and employee friendly working environments that pay their workers a fair wage. Giving a player a full ride in combination with elite facilities and coaches that give them a shot at the NFL sales itself. Any recruit that is at WaGriz Saturday will be a Griz after they experience the facilities and environment and I'm not just talking football.

There are plenty of kids that watch great games at WA-Griz that commit elsewhere.

 

[indiancoyote]

Nope on paying Bergen a penny more than the full ride scholarship he already gets. He'll be gone in a year. The facilities and coaching staff will be here much longer. The Griz have had lots of great returners and the only consistent is the person coaching them.

If the NIL is as low as you claim, then the "savings" made by not investing in NIL won't matter one damn bit in terms of being able to keep coaches or build better facilities, because the money doesn't add up to nearly enough to compete with the contracts bigger universities can offer anyways, nor does it add up to enough to mean a drop in the bucket in the price tag of multi-million dollar facilities. So your supposed upside of ditching one of the most important aspects of modern recruiting doesn't exist, yet you ignore that money - any money, even a few thousand or less - can make a damn big difference to a recruit from rural Montana, and that we're competing in NIL whether you like it or not. Your entire argument is bereft of any logic or rational though from top to bottom. It is downright shocking you could even type it without realizing how shortsighted and completely inane it is.

The University of Montana is never going to be able to compete around NIL money. We should also celebrate when a coach from U of M gets a big pay raise at a larger university. The assistant coaches at Montana and MSU are not even paid a living wage for those communities. The majority of Montana kids on the Griz roster would never even be considered for any NIL money. They have been developed by the coaches. The ones that are good enough to garner that interests are going out of state to bigger universities.

 

[GallatinGriz03]

The most successful companies in the world have the best facilities and employee friendly working environments that pay their workers a fair wage. Giving a player a full ride in combination with elite facilities and coaches that give them a shot at the NFL sales itself. Any recruit that is at WaGriz Saturday will be a Griz after they experience the facilities and environment and I'm not just talking football.

There are plenty of kids that watch great games at WA-Griz that commit elsewhere.

Agreed. Griz play in the best stadium in FCS. We have a better stadium and game-day atmosphere than half of the MWC teams. The Grizzlies compete for the same recruits as many MWC teams. They have to offer the best NIL deals possible in order to attract that talent here in the first place. Stadium/Facilities have not in the past and will not in the future will not attract the best players by itself. It takes both now.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

If the NIL is as low as you claim, then the "savings" made by not investing in NIL won't matter one damn bit in terms of being able to keep coaches or build better facilities, because the money doesn't add up to nearly enough to compete with the contracts bigger universities can offer anyways, nor does it add up to enough to mean a drop in the bucket in the price tag of multi-million dollar facilities. So your supposed upside of ditching one of the most important aspects of modern recruiting doesn't exist, yet you ignore that money - any money, even a few thousand or less - can make a damn big difference to a recruit from rural Montana, and that we're competing in NIL whether you like it or not. Your entire argument is bereft of any logic or rational though from top to bottom. It is downright shocking you could even type it without realizing how shortsighted and completely inane it is.

The University of Montana is never going to be able to compete around NIL money. We should also celebrate when a coach from U of M gets a big pay raise at a larger university. The assistant coaches at Montana and MSU are not even paid a living wage for those communities. The majority of Montana kids on the Griz roster would never even be considered for any NIL money. They have been developed by the coaches. The ones that are good enough to garner that interests are going out of state to bigger universities.

Compete with who? You need to answer that question. If your answer is MSU, you're a moron. If your answer is Alabama, no shit. Multiple people have said it, but it apparently needs to be resaid: we're competing against MSU, NDSU, etc., and how we compete financially against them absolutely makes a difference.

Moreover, you just admitted the fallacy of your own argument. You say we "can't compete" in NIL and thus shouldn't even try, yet you're claiming we should poor money saved from not doing NIL into coaches salaries and the like while simultaneously admitting we can't compete with big schools for coaching salaries.

Again, bereft of any logic from top to bottom.

 

[indiancoyote]

Once again, the focus should not be on keeping recruits, but getting the most out of them while we have them. That's about great facilities and great coaching. The University should be marketing their success of getting players to the next level.

But NIL isn't only about keeping them, it is attracting them in the first place.

That may be a reality at places like Alabama and Ohio State, but not Montana. We need to stay in our lane and recruit players that can be developed by great coaching. The Griz are in the semifinals because of great coaching with no NIL money.

 

[indiancoyote]

The University of Montana is never going to be able to compete around NIL money. We should also celebrate when a coach from U of M gets a big pay raise at a larger university. The assistant coaches at Montana and MSU are not even paid a living wage for those communities. The majority of Montana kids on the Griz roster would never even be considered for any NIL money. They have been developed by the coaches. The ones that are good enough to garner that interests are going out of state to bigger universities.

Compete with who? You need to answer that question. If your answer is MSU, you're a moron. If your answer is Alabama, no poop. Multiple people have said it, but it apparently needs to be resaid: we're competing against MSU, NDSU, etc., and how we compete financially against them absolutely makes a difference.

Moreover, you just admitted the fallacy of your own argument. You say we "can't compete" in NIL and thus shouldn't even try, yet you're claiming we should poor money saved from not doing NIL into coaches salaries and the like while simultaneously admitting we can't compete with big schools for coaching salaries.

Again, bereft of any logic from top to bottom.

We're not competing against NDSU for recruits. The majority of kids that pick MSU over UM is because of the degrees offered. I know that seems like a funny reason to select a school. Montana is in the final four, so it proves my point. No NIL money required, just great coaching and élite facilities.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

But NIL isn't only about keeping them, it is attracting them in the first place.

That may be a reality at places like Alabama and Ohio State, but not Montana. We need to stay in our lane and recruit players that can be developed by great coaching. The Griz are in the semifinals because of great coaching with no NIL money.

You are wrong, it is beginning to be the reality with the top FCS schools also. The Griz will not maintain that success without matching the other top FCS and even lower tier FBS schools. I know for a fact that MSU got multiple in-state kids that the Griz were interested during the last recruiting cycle because they offered NIL money. If UM waits, it will be too late.

 

[indiancoyote]

That may be a reality at places like Alabama and Ohio State, but not Montana. We need to stay in our lane and recruit players that can be developed by great coaching. The Griz are in the semifinals because of great coaching with no NIL money.

You are wrong, it is beginning to be the reality with the top FCS schools also. The Griz will not maintain that success without matching the other top FCS and even lower tier FBS schools. I know for a fact that MSU got multiple in-state kids that the Griz were interested during the last recruiting cycle because they offered NIL money. If UM waits, it will be too late.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Ok. MSU will be watching the Griz this weekend and so will all of the in-state recruits.

 

[GallatinGriz03]

If the NIL is as low as you claim, then the "savings" made by not investing in NIL won't matter one damn bit in terms of being able to keep coaches or build better facilities, because the money doesn't add up to nearly enough to compete with the contracts bigger universities can offer anyways, nor does it add up to enough to mean a drop in the bucket in the price tag of multi-million dollar facilities. So your supposed upside of ditching one of the most important aspects of modern recruiting doesn't exist, yet you ignore that money - any money, even a few thousand or less - can make a damn big difference to a recruit from rural Montana, and that we're competing in NIL whether you like it or not. Your entire argument is bereft of any logic or rational though from top to bottom. It is downright shocking you could even type it without realizing how shortsighted and completely inane it is.

The University of Montana is never going to be able to compete around NIL money. Compete with who? Other FCS schools-- Yes. MWC schools-- Some. Power 5 schools-- No. We should also celebrate when a coach from U of M gets a big pay raise at a larger university. Who was last coach to move on for a bigger pay raise? Hauck? I think most were happy for him, just disappointed he never won a chipper. The assistant coaches at Montana and MSU are not even paid a living wage for those communities. Agreed. The majority of Montana kids on the Griz roster would never even be considered for any NIL money. They have been developed by the coaches. The ones that are good enough to garner that interests are going out of state to bigger universities. Disagree to some extent. Yes, one or two top kids go to PAC2 or Big20, but the others Griz have a shot at. Yes, most are developmental prospects and recruited as such. Very few start as Freshmen. But that is true at all FCS schools. And that is who we are mostly competing with regards to NIL.