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Economics of Moving Up - Not So Good

Where is all this FCS is dissolving, going down, not viable, etc. stuff coming from? Let's see some links or some analysis. I have never seen anything credible to support that type of statement.

Just because some good teams are moving up, doesn't mean FCS isn't doing fine or even well. Fullerton has indicated in the past year that FCS is doing fine and maybe even quite well, and is a good model for schools that only want to put so much money into their football and athletic programs.

While FCS schools need to contribute money to support their athletic programs, schools that move up have to support their athletic programs with even more money. Yes, there's more money to be made in FBS, but also much more in associated costs--and the increased costs are larger than the increased revenues. See below quote, again.

“The reality is that football schools who move up a division almost always lose even more money,” said Daniel Fulks, an accounting professor at Transylvania University who has spent the last 15 years as a research consultant for the N.C.A.A."
 
Before I get too far into this, Let me say I have been and am still in favor of moving up, but only under the right circumstances. The circumstances of moving up just to do it, is not the right circumstances. Also let me add, over time PR and I have had a few disagreements here, and will continue to now and then. His efforts to support the why not to move is as good as efforts on either side. I appreciate the time he has taken to find the information he has. His efforts, and a few others have not changed what I want our outcome to be, but how to go about it. I like to try being open minded, and fair in most cases.

I have been anywhere from 50/50 to 90/10(in favor of moving up) over the last several years. I was very pro moving up, prior to dissolving of the former WAC with Boise State, Nevada, Fresno State, etc. Unless fellow BSC teams step up the quality of their programs, and fan suport, I still want to get the hell out of this going nowhere conference. Part of that is because of my love for GRIZ basketball as well. I cannot stand how crappy the conference is beyond Montana and Weber State. I do feel UND and UNC are close to having pretty solid programs too. In football, the only well supported teams are both in Montana. Again, feel UND will be a very good football program too. EWU has a great program, and making the efforts to become more of a player too, which I appreciate and commend them for ( I do hope EWU gets the long over due fan support they have earned).

With all that said, I hope our powers to be and/or powers to be from other schools in the region get together to come up with a game plan that will work for the GRIZ and whatever other schools want to join in the effort to better each school through athletics.

With that said, I do believe sometime between 2015 and 2020 the major BCS conferences will separate themselves, and in an essence force many programs/schools out of their level. That will be what Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc will need to play on level with our peer schools, and be much more cost effective, without the risk it currently has. I believe, the powers to be have indeed made the right decision to wait for things to play out. Financially we just are not in the position to come ahead, as things stand now .

As much as I would like to dispute this, realistically speaking Montana just does not have the financial backing to make this move be favorable for us. The reality is, travel costs, higher coaching salaries, more scholarships, more sports, and better facilities are just not the worth financial risk. I do think it would be digging the U of M and the state a huge financial graveyard, as things are right now.

As we have heard countless times in life and on egriz, times change. Too many, we don't know what the powers to be have in mind to counter the changing times and environment of college athletics. This is the frustrating part, the powers to be have not given us any game plans, or what needs to be done to prepare for the changes. It seems like we have stayed at the same level and status quo for the better part of 20 years now.

As things are in today's college athletics, I believe the states of MT, ID, WY, ND, SD, NE, and NM just cannot afford more than one major competitive athletic school in each state. WY and NE already have a good to excellent system in place. What level do these states want to compete in collegiate athletics? What are their residents willing to do to support whatever level is decided? What can be done to get more corporations and money coming into each state to support college athletics better? How willing are the fan bases of Montana and Montana State willing to go to compete at the highest level nationally? What are the residents or ID, SD, ND, and NM willing to do?

AS someone who lived in Nebraska for 10 years, and likely to be moving back there this summer, I can tell you there is not a better game day experience or college football fan base than Husker Nation. Like Montana it is considered a smaller state with people coming from all over Nebraska and surrounding states to share in Husker Game Day. Keep in mind Univ Neb Omaha (UNO) has the population, funding, corporate sponsorships and alumni to compete with Nebraska (Univ Nebraska Lincoln-aka Nebraska), if they should decide to pursue another Div 1 athletic program. When the state committed to this, and how they have stayed committed to this is well beyond me, but I commend them for being faithful to this model. It is flat out amazing how the whole State is behind only 1 major athletic program, and accepts it, with very little complaining, and debates within the state.

In my opinion, with the environment that is collegiate athletics these days, we have 2 ways to make progress and game plan around.
(1) Montana, Montana State, UND, NDSU, SD, SDSU, NM State, ID, Weber State, UNI, EWU (I love their efforts they are making), Missouri State, U of San Diego, Cal Poly, Cal Davis, and possibly Sac State, Portland State, Seattle, Denver (if those schools wanted to add football) should join forces in creating a new Mid West to Pacific Coast Conference. I am sure a few of you can add other perspective schools to this list too.
Missouri State would be out of place geographically, But have solid programs, and looking for better option from what I have heard.
Weber State and EWU- Would need to get more fans to commit to attending football games. I am not sure how much of a challenge that is for them, maybe their fans can weigh in on this.
Idaho- they do need to improve their playing facility a lot, but they are already working on that. What do their fans think?
Portland State and Sac State-their fan support and facilities need upgraded a lot, but they are in markets that are attractive. I can take them or leave them.

UNI is a great fit and in the same boat as the MT, SD, ND schools. They would add another solid midwest presence to go with Missouri State too.

Seattle and Denver have a lot of upside for basketball, good financial backing, influential alumni, and great markets. I hear many Denver Alumni say they wish they had football, and would be willing to donate to make it happen. Even if it is for basketball only, I would love to have these schools in our conference.

(2) As much as I hate to admit it, and suggest it, have the state of Montana commit to having only 1 major college athletic program. I prefer Missoula, but would certainly support it in Bozeman too. It has worked for Wyoming, and has been perfect for Nebraska.

Overall, I do feel some of us are not realistic about the finances and circumstances involving this kind of move as is.
 
What I find comical is peoples' fear of actually having a "down" year.

Uh....check the standings last year, peeps.
 
PlayerRep said:
In the last game of the season, there were only 6,385 fans in Gillette stadium that is 100 miles from campus and seats 68,756 as UMass lost, 42-21, to Central Michigan. UMass averaged 14,000 per home game when still in FCS.

Sorry but that's just flat out cherry picking stats. The 6,385 was the attendance for their final game of last year. That was also the lowest attendance they had all year. That would be like me cherry picking their game against Indiana where they drew 16,304.. They also did not average 14,000 a game while still FCS.

Lets look at the numbers for every game last year for an accurate depiction of what their attendance is really like instead of choosing one at the end of a horrible season.

2012:
Vs Indiana: 16,304
vs Ohio: 8,321
vs Bowling Green: 10,846
vs Buffalo: 12,649
vs Cent Mich: 6,385

You have valid concerns about the Griz moving up, no need to try to mislead by posting just one side of the statistical story by picking a bad example (stadium waaaay away from campus) and then picking the worst attended game of the year at the end of a horrible season. They averaged 10,901 per home game last year. Even with their shitty record last year their attendance was slightly more than 2009 at the FCS level. Yes it was less than 2010 and 2011.

Here are the numbers for the previous 3 years for comparison:

2011:
12808 average (7,103 lowest game)

2010:
13004 average (10,057 lowest game)

2009:
10887 average (4028 lowest game)

So you can see their attendance wasn't over 14,000 per game at home recently, and in fact they've had many games that drew crappy, like the one in 2011 that had 7,103, and the one in 2009 that only had 4028. They also had another one in 2009 that was under 7,000 too.

So this wasn't as big of a hit to attendance as you are making it seem... they didn't drop from bringing in over 14,000 per game to 6,000 per game...
 
This is well worth checking out, and a survey. http://www.makeitmissoula.com/2013/04/more-realignment-changes-taking-major-toll-on-fcs-football/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Damnit, was hoping survey was about a potential move. No such luck.
 
mtgrizrule said:
Before I get too far into this, Let me say I have been and am still in favor of moving up, but only under the right circumstances. The circumstances of moving up just to do it, is not the right circumstances. Also let me add, over time PR and I have had a few disagreements here, and will continue to now and then. His efforts to support the why not to move is as good as efforts on either side. I appreciate the time he has taken to find the information he has. His efforts, and a few others have not changed what I want our outcome to be, but how to go about it. I like to try being open minded, and fair in most cases.

I have been anywhere from 50/50 to 90/10(in favor of moving up) over the last several years. I was very pro moving up, prior to dissolving of the former WAC with Boise State, Nevada, Fresno State, etc. Unless fellow BSC teams step up the quality of their programs, and fan suport, I still want to get the hell out of this going nowhere conference. Part of that is because of my love for GRIZ basketball as well. I cannot stand how crappy the conference is beyond Montana and Weber State. I do feel UND and UNC are close to having pretty solid programs too. In football, the only well supported teams are both in Montana. Again, feel UND will be a very good football program too. EWU has a great program, and making the efforts to become more of a player too, which I appreciate and commend them for ( I do hope EWU gets the long over due fan support they have earned).

With all that said, I hope our powers to be and/or powers to be from other schools in the region get together to come up with a game plan that will work for the GRIZ and whatever other schools want to join in the effort to better each school through athletics.

With that said, I do believe sometime between 2015 and 2020 the major BCS conferences will separate themselves, and in an essence force many programs/schools out of their level. That will be what Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc will need to play on level with our peer schools, and be much more cost effective, without the risk it currently has. I believe, the powers to be have indeed made the right decision to wait for things to play out. Financially we just are not in the position to come ahead, as things stand now .

As much as I would like to dispute this, realistically speaking Montana just does not have the financial backing to make this move be favorable for us. The reality is, travel costs, higher coaching salaries, more scholarships, more sports, and better facilities are just not the worth financial risk. I do think it would be digging the U of M and the state a huge financial graveyard, as things are right now.

As we have heard countless times in life and on egriz, times change. Too many, we don't know what the powers to be have in mind to counter the changing times and environment of college athletics. This is the frustrating part, the powers to be have not given us any game plans, or what needs to be done to prepare for the changes. It seems like we have stayed at the same level and status quo for the better part of 20 years now.

As things are in today's college athletics, I believe the states of MT, ID, WY, ND, SD, NE, and NM just cannot afford more than one major competitive athletic school in each state. WY and NE already have a good to excellent system in place. What level do these states want to compete in collegiate athletics? What are their residents willing to do to support whatever level is decided? What can be done to get more corporations and money coming into each state to support college athletics better? How willing are the fan bases of Montana and Montana State willing to go to compete at the highest level nationally? What are the residents or ID, SD, ND, and NM willing to do?

AS someone who lived in Nebraska for 10 years, and likely to be moving back there this summer, I can tell you there is not a better game day experience or college football fan base than Husker Nation. Like Montana it is considered a smaller state with people coming from all over Nebraska and surrounding states to share in Husker Game Day. Keep in mind Univ Neb Omaha (UNO) has the population, funding, corporate sponsorships and alumni to compete with Nebraska (Univ Nebraska Lincoln-aka Nebraska), if they should decide to pursue another Div 1 athletic program. When the state committed to this, and how they have stayed committed to this is well beyond me, but I commend them for being faithful to this model. It is flat out amazing how the whole State is behind only 1 major athletic program, and accepts it, with very little complaining, and debates within the state.

In my opinion, with the environment that is collegiate athletics these days, we have 2 ways to make progress and game plan around.
(1) Montana, Montana State, UND, NDSU, SD, SDSU, UNM, ID, Weber State, UNI, EWU (I love their efforts they are making), Missouri State, U of San Diego, Cal Poly, Cal Davis, and possibly Sac State, Portland State, Seattle, Denver (if those schools wanted to add football) should join forces in creating a new Mid West to Pacific Coast Conference. I am sure a few of you can add other perspective schools to this list too.
Missouri State would be out of place geographically, But have solid programs, and looking for better option from what I have heard.
Weber State and EWU- Would need to get more fans to commit to attending football games. I am not sure how much of a challenge that is for them, maybe their fans can weigh in on this.
Idaho- they do need to improve their playing facility a lot, but they are already working on that. What do their fans think?
Portland State and Sac State-their fan support and facilities need upgraded a lot, but they are in markets that are attractive. I can take them or leave them.

UNI is a great fit and in the same boat as the MT, SD, ND schools. They would add another solid midwest presence to go with Missouri State too.

Seattle and Denver have a lot of upside for basketball, good financial backing, influential alumni, and great markets. I hear many Denver Alumni say they wish they had football, and would be willing to donate to make it happen. Even if it is for basketball only, I would love to have these schools in our conference.

(2) As much as I hate to admit it, and suggest it, have the state of Montana commit to having only 1 major college athletic program. I prefer Missoula, but would certainly support it in Bozeman too. It has worked for Wyoming, and has been perfect for Nebraska.

Overall, I do feel some of us are not realistic about the finances and circumstances involving this kind of move as is.


If Weber wants more football fans, the team needs to win and do it consistantly, like the basketball team does. It also doesnt help that 3 FBS schools are within 30 minutes to an hour's drive away from Weber.

If Weber could consistantly challenge for the Big Sky football crown, the fans would come and watch, but since 08 we have gotten worse and worse. And I dont know what to think about the upcoming football season, we have a very brutal schedule and it could be another long football season in Ogden.
 
Wildcat, I love playing Weber in football. Not so much in basketball (because you're too good-ha-ha).

Weber is a rival. Has beaten UM on multiple occasions recently, including when UM was good. Even when Weber is down, it concerns me to play you.

I have huge respect for Weber, in football and basketball.

With Pflu down there, I will cheer for Weber, until they meet the Griz.

Utah St does nothing for me.
 
I agree with those that want to stay for now until something better comes along, but those waxing poetic about our bigsigh "rivalries" is silly. A "rivalry" usually constitutes teams beating you on a regular basis. UM vs Weber in bball is a rivalry. Yeah, there were rivalries in the 80's and early 90's when there were other teams that were good in the bigsigh besides UM...the closest "rivalry" there's been has been ewu, weber and mayyybe state - but, that is stretching it at best. Even then, it was 2 wins in maybe 5 years, and then squat after that. I understand why um plays at the level it does, but there are no "rivalries" at least in football.
 
MissoulaMarinerFan said:
I agree with those that want to stay for now until something better comes along, but those waxing poetic about our bigsigh "rivalries" is silly. A "rivalry" usually constitutes teams beating you on a regular basis. UM vs Weber in bball is a rivalry. Yeah, there were rivalries in the 80's and early 90's when there were other teams that were good in the bigsigh besides UM...the closest "rivalry" there's been has been ewu, weber and mayyybe state - but, that is stretching it at best. Even then, it was 2 wins in maybe 5 years, and then squat after that. I understand why um plays at the level it does, but there are no "rivalries" at least in football.

EWU is our Football rival now, in my opinion. I do not see them going away anytime soon either.
 
mtgrizrule said:
MissoulaMarinerFan said:
I agree with those that want to stay for now until something better comes along, but those waxing poetic about our bigsigh "rivalries" is silly. A "rivalry" usually constitutes teams beating you on a regular basis. UM vs Weber in bball is a rivalry. Yeah, there were rivalries in the 80's and early 90's when there were other teams that were good in the bigsigh besides UM...the closest "rivalry" there's been has been ewu, weber and mayyybe state - but, that is stretching it at best. Even then, it was 2 wins in maybe 5 years, and then squat after that. I understand why um plays at the level it does, but there are no "rivalries" at least in football.

EWU is our Football rival now, in my opinion. I do not see them going away anytime soon either.

Eastern isn't going anywhere right now, but we are trying to put ourselves in the position to make a move down the road or at least make make it an option. The last 2 years we have been at capacity almost every game (which is nothing compared to Griz standards but a major improvement for us) and with the proposal and hopefully passing of our stadium expansion we expect to be a major player in years to come.

This board seems to slightly favor staying in the FCS, I think a lot of EWU fans would love to try and make the jump to FBS. The losses of App St, Ga Southern, JMU, and ODU are killers, is it really going to be that great if you are playing Western Oregon, Panhandle state, and another Big Sky school on your way to a FCS championship? As I see it, you can be the best Hybrid D2 school out there (and I believe that is what the FCS is going to turn into), or you can try to compete against the best programs in the nation. What else do the Griz really have to prove at the FCS level, especially if the major players continue to leave?

One of the biggest issues I see with these conference expansions are the potential loss of big money body bag games. Most of the Big Sky schools, except Montana, rely on at least one major FBS game a year to make football financially feasible. If you are a FBS school rather than a FCS, the profit you make from those games is typically 2 or 3 times more and I wouldn't be surprised if the BCS drops playing FCS games altogether in the next couple years, which would be a killer on the big sky teams.
 
mtgrizrule said:
Before I get too far into this, Let me say I have been and am still in favor of moving up, but only under the right circumstances. The circumstances of moving up just to do it, is not the right circumstances. Also let me add, over time PR and I have had a few disagreements here, and will continue to now and then. His efforts to support the why not to move is as good as efforts on either side. I appreciate the time he has taken to find the information he has. His efforts, and a few others have not changed what I want our outcome to be, but how to go about it. I like to try being open minded, and fair in most cases.

I have been anywhere from 50/50 to 90/10(in favor of moving up) over the last several years. I was very pro moving up, prior to dissolving of the former WAC with Boise State, Nevada, Fresno State, etc. Unless fellow BSC teams step up the quality of their programs, and fan suport, I still want to get the hell out of this going nowhere conference. Part of that is because of my love for GRIZ basketball as well. I cannot stand how crappy the conference is beyond Montana and Weber State. I do feel UND and UNC are close to having pretty solid programs too. In football, the only well supported teams are both in Montana. Again, feel UND will be a very good football program too. EWU has a great program, and making the efforts to become more of a player too, which I appreciate and commend them for ( I do hope EWU gets the long over due fan support they have earned).

With all that said, I hope our powers to be and/or powers to be from other schools in the region get together to come up with a game plan that will work for the GRIZ and whatever other schools want to join in the effort to better each school through athletics.

With that said, I do believe sometime between 2015 and 2020 the major BCS conferences will separate themselves, and in an essence force many programs/schools out of their level. That will be what Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc will need to play on level with our peer schools, and be much more cost effective, without the risk it currently has. I believe, the powers to be have indeed made the right decision to wait for things to play out. Financially we just are not in the position to come ahead, as things stand now .

As much as I would like to dispute this, realistically speaking Montana just does not have the financial backing to make this move be favorable for us. The reality is, travel costs, higher coaching salaries, more scholarships, more sports, and better facilities are just not the worth financial risk. I do think it would be digging the U of M and the state a huge financial graveyard, as things are right now.

As we have heard countless times in life and on egriz, times change. Too many, we don't know what the powers to be have in mind to counter the changing times and environment of college athletics. This is the frustrating part, the powers to be have not given us any game plans, or what needs to be done to prepare for the changes. It seems like we have stayed at the same level and status quo for the better part of 20 years now.

As things are in today's college athletics, I believe the states of MT, ID, WY, ND, SD, NE, and NM just cannot afford more than one major competitive athletic school in each state. WY and NE already have a good to excellent system in place. What level do these states want to compete in collegiate athletics? What are their residents willing to do to support whatever level is decided? What can be done to get more corporations and money coming into each state to support college athletics better? How willing are the fan bases of Montana and Montana State willing to go to compete at the highest level nationally? What are the residents or ID, SD, ND, and NM willing to do?

AS someone who lived in Nebraska for 10 years, and likely to be moving back there this summer, I can tell you there is not a better game day experience or college football fan base than Husker Nation. Like Montana it is considered a smaller state with people coming from all over Nebraska and surrounding states to share in Husker Game Day. Keep in mind Univ Neb Omaha (UNO) has the population, funding, corporate sponsorships and alumni to compete with Nebraska (Univ Nebraska Lincoln-aka Nebraska), if they should decide to pursue another Div 1 athletic program. When the state committed to this, and how they have stayed committed to this is well beyond me, but I commend them for being faithful to this model. It is flat out amazing how the whole State is behind only 1 major athletic program, and accepts it, with very little complaining, and debates within the state.

In my opinion, with the environment that is collegiate athletics these days, we have 2 ways to make progress and game plan around.
(1) Montana, Montana State, UND, NDSU, SD, SDSU, NM State, ID, Weber State, UNI, EWU (I love their efforts they are making), Missouri State, U of San Diego, Cal Poly, Cal Davis, and possibly Sac State, Portland State, Seattle, Denver (if those schools wanted to add football) should join forces in creating a new Mid West to Pacific Coast Conference. I am sure a few of you can add other perspective schools to this list too.
Missouri State would be out of place geographically, But have solid programs, and looking for better option from what I have heard.
Weber State and EWU- Would need to get more fans to commit to attending football games. I am not sure how much of a challenge that is for them, maybe their fans can weigh in on this.
Idaho- they do need to improve their playing facility a lot, but they are already working on that. What do their fans think?
Portland State and Sac State-their fan support and facilities need upgraded a lot, but they are in markets that are attractive. I can take them or leave them.

UNI is a great fit and in the same boat as the MT, SD, ND schools. They would add another solid midwest presence to go with Missouri State too.

Seattle and Denver have a lot of upside for basketball, good financial backing, influential alumni, and great markets. I hear many Denver Alumni say they wish they had football, and would be willing to donate to make it happen. Even if it is for basketball only, I would love to have these schools in our conference.

(2) As much as I hate to admit it, and suggest it, have the state of Montana commit to having only 1 major college athletic program. I prefer Missoula, but would certainly support it in Bozeman too. It has worked for Wyoming, and has been perfect for Nebraska.

Overall, I do feel some of us are not realistic about the finances and circumstances involving this kind of move as is.

Very insightful and a good read. I tend to agree with everything you said. Good post. And you didn't call one person an idiot. :thumb:
 
As much as I hate to admit it, and suggest it, have the state of Montana commit to having only 1 major college athletic program. I prefer Missoula, but would certainly support it in Bozeman too. It has worked for Wyoming, and has been perfect for Nebraska.

Mtgrizrule, I don't agree nor disagree with you on your statement above...however, I would point out that neither Wyoming nor Nebraska had to "shut down" a program to go with just one major college athletic program. Neither state ever had a second competing major program. Montana's situation is pretty different in that there have been two major programs for many years. In the long run, I think a decision to shut down (or even, just de-emphasize) one of the programs would result in damage to both programs. And, speaking only for myself, I would have great difficulty rooting for a single program from Bozoland -- just goes against my grain.
 
marceagfan5 said:
mtgrizrule said:
MissoulaMarinerFan said:
I agree with those that want to stay for now until something better comes along, but those waxing poetic about our bigsigh "rivalries" is silly. A "rivalry" usually constitutes teams beating you on a regular basis. UM vs Weber in bball is a rivalry. Yeah, there were rivalries in the 80's and early 90's when there were other teams that were good in the bigsigh besides UM...the closest "rivalry" there's been has been ewu, weber and mayyybe state - but, that is stretching it at best. Even then, it was 2 wins in maybe 5 years, and then squat after that. I understand why um plays at the level it does, but there are no "rivalries" at least in football.

EWU is our Football rival now, in my opinion. I do not see them going away anytime soon either.

Eastern isn't going anywhere right now, but we are trying to put ourselves in the position to make a move down the road or at least make make it an option. The last 2 years we have been at capacity almost every game (which is nothing compared to Griz standards but a major improvement for us) and with the proposal and hopefully passing of our stadium expansion we expect to be a major player in years to come.

This board seems to slightly favor staying in the FCS, I think a lot of EWU fans would love to try and make the jump to FBS. The losses of App St, Ga Southern, JMU, and ODU are killers, is it really going to be that great if you are playing Western Oregon, Panhandle state, and another Big Sky school on your way to a FCS championship? As I see it, you can be the best Hybrid D2 school out there (and I believe that is what the FCS is going to turn into), or you can try to compete against the best programs in the nation. What else do the Griz really have to prove at the FCS level, especially if the major players continue to leave?

One of the biggest issues I see with these conference expansions are the potential loss of big money body bag games. Most of the Big Sky schools, except Montana, rely on at least one major FBS game a year to make football financially feasible. If you are a FBS school rather than a FCS, the profit you make from those games is typically 2 or 3 times more and I wouldn't be surprised if the BCS drops playing FCS games altogether in the next couple years, which would be a killer on the big sky teams.

If the top 64 teams, or whatever, do ever leave the NCAA, and I don't think they will since they are getting everything they want inside the ncaa now, then another issues rises.

Assuming several big sky teams manage to join the MWC or the middle tier that is left, then there are no games against the big boys at all and the CSUs and Wyo's who pay about $300K for FCS would instead sign home and home games then. That means you even lose access to those middle paydays as well. How many Big Sky programs can manage a $300K cut in their budgets and try to stay at the middle level given the smaller stadiums and inability to sell more tickets. In many ways a breakaway is not a good scenario for the FCS either as you still see significant budget cuts coming. I really don't see a scenario here where the FCS isn't looking at less money.
 
Most, of the talk about moving from FCS to FBS revolves around money which stands to reason. But moving up and being successful requires recruiting top athletes. So, if that is the case, IMO, most athletes from Montana would no longer be considered. If you objectively looked at the current roster, how many of those athletes wouldn't be considered if the Griz was an FBS team? My guess would be over 50%. Plus now you're trying to recruit top athletes that consider Oregon, Oregon State, Boise State, Washington, USC, UCLA, etc., so your chances of landing top recruits becomes a struggle, and without those top recruits you can't field a competitive team causing financial demise. I bet if you look at most of the former FCS schools that have moved to FBS, they would say that this has been as big an issue as the money concerns. :twocents:
 
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