Duchesne to Portland State

[Hamilton Grizzly]

this thread is getting funnier every hour!!!

 

[davisten]

KP is was scrappy, heady, chip on his shoulder take it at you type PG that led his team to the N.A.I.A Final Four and Elite Eight as a junior and senior respectively. He brings that same leadership and approach to the table as a coach and would be a nice addition to the grizzly staff and a huge loss at CC if that's what he does.

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

Exactly, I think its far fetched becuase, Tinkle got an extention so he's around for atleast 2 more years and the family is probably the most plauseable senario but, then again he and his family lived near his family for 10 + years before they came back. I don't see the salary being a motivator or having a chance to be a HC. Both of those options are better if he stays in my opinion which I hope he does becuase, he's a great person and coach all the way around.

Its a lock, Nates gone. Closer to home, more money (quite a bit), and being the HEAD Asst as opposed to an Asst (as he was at Montana). I dont think TInks puts much emphasis on titles, which is a good thing in my eyes, so all the coaches were pretty much on an equal level. Each one of them have theyre roles as coaches which seems to work out pretty well. With Nate leaving, the Griz lose their "offensive" strategiest. Tinks will find someone to replace asap.

The PSU job is not better paying. Harper made $23,000.00 starting out there 2 years along with Gevirng making around 36K. Bone as the Head coach his first year made $68K. I know Heath Schoyer and Steve Gosar pretty well and they filled me in one what they got paid when they were there just 4 years ago. I'm Bone's salary went up after his 1st couple of seasons but, he didn't take that job for the money he took it for a chance to show he is a quality D1 HC. His HC job at SPU paid more than PSU. I doubt Nate is doing it for the $ if he is doing it at all.

 

[evergriz]

Duchesne to PSU

http://missoulian.com/articles/2009/04/24/bnews/br24.txt

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

KP is was scrappy, heady, chip on his shoulder take it at you type PG that led his team to the N.A.I.A Final Four and Elite Eight as a junior and senior respectively. He brings that same leadership and approach to the table as a coach and would be a nice addition to the grizzly staff and a huge loss at CC if that's what he does.

I never said he wasn't a good player but, D1 basketball is a business and if you're going to coach at that level you need to be able to bring something to table other than great college stats and rep. He has no expereince other than what he got the last 2 years at Carroll. He couldn't even get Colt Idol who went to HS the same place he went to come to Carroll, so he has a lot to show and learn yet.

I'll give you and example of the business Mike Price the asst. at Idaho was the manager at UW when Bender was the HC. After college he was an asst. at a JUCO in Iowa that's similiar to CSI. He went out and made his recuirting connections in the MId-West and major metro areas that produce stud players. He then gets hired at EWU, Utah, and Idaho. Mike Price never played one second of college basketball but, he'll always get D1 coaching jobs becuase, of his recruiting abilities and connections and that's what he brings to the table an that's what the business is about. I can tell you this there isn't a D1 or D2 HC in his right mind that is going to give a guy a 50k+ paying assistant job who's only strong point to his resume is that he had a great playing career. Isn't going to happen, he'll Danny Manny had to start out as the G.A. and bottom asst. at Kansas and he won them a NC. You either got to be a great coach with a ton of experience or a great recruiter. KP may have those qualities some day but, right now he doesn't.

Davisten, your idea of KP replacing ND is a far fetched as a Palm tree in Northern Siberia.

 

[Sudzilla]

Its a lock, Nates gone. Closer to home, more money (quite a bit), and being the HEAD Asst as opposed to an Asst (as he was at Montana). I dont think TInks puts much emphasis on titles, which is a good thing in my eyes, so all the coaches were pretty much on an equal level. Each one of them have theyre roles as coaches which seems to work out pretty well. With Nate leaving, the Griz lose their "offensive" strategiest. Tinks will find someone to replace asap.

The PSU job is not better paying. Harper made $23,000.00 starting out there 2 years along with Gevirng making around 36K. Bone as the Head coach his first year made $68K. I know Heath Schoyer and Steve Gosar pretty well and they filled me in one what they got paid when they were there just 4 years ago. I'm Bone's salary went up after his 1st couple of seasons but, he didn't take that job for the money he took it for a chance to show he is a quality D1 HC. His HC job at SPU paid more than PSU. I doubt Nate is doing it for the $ if he is doing it at all.

He will be making more $$ at PSU. Granted, this is not the reason he is leaving, but it certainly plays a factor in the ultimate decision.

 

[Potomac Griz]

In case the previously posted missoulian link doesn't work (it didn't work for me ) this link should work:

http://missoulian.com/articles/2009/04/24/bnews/br84.txt

--
Breaking News

UM's DuChesne takes job with Portland St.
Posted on April 24
By the Associated Press


MISSOULA - Nate DuChesne, an assistant coach for the University of Montana men's basketball team, is leaving the school for the top assistant job at Portland State.

UM athletic director Jim O'Day confirmed the move Thursday.

DuChesne was a teammate of UM head coach Wayne Tinkle while playing guard for three seasons for the Griz in the late 1980s. He was hired as an assistant in August 2006.
His duties at Montana included recruiting, on-the-floor coaching, overseeing team academics and coordinating travel operations. He will be the first hire for new Portland State head coach Tyler Geving.

--

 

[Sugar Bear 16]

The PSU job is not better paying. Harper made $23,000.00 starting out there 2 years along with Gevirng making around 36K. Bone as the Head coach his first year made $68K. I know Heath Schoyer and Steve Gosar pretty well and they filled me in one what they got paid when they were there just 4 years ago. I'm Bone's salary went up after his 1st couple of seasons but, he didn't take that job for the money he took it for a chance to show he is a quality D1 HC. His HC job at SPU paid more than PSU. I doubt Nate is doing it for the $ if he is doing it at all.

He will be making more $$ at PSU. Granted, this is not the reason he is leaving, but it certainly plays a factor in the ultimate decision.

I spoke with a person close to the situation and he will be making more $ and it sounds like PSU has made progress in paying Basketball coaches similiar pay to that of their football coaches.

 

[mporter]

He will be making more $$ at PSU. Granted, this is not the reason he is leaving, but it certainly plays a factor in the ultimate decision.

I spoke with a person close to the situation and he will be making more $ and it sounds like PSU has made progress in paying Basketball coaches similiar pay to that of their football coaches.

Bone's last contract extension (prior to bailing for WSU) was 125k per year with an annual increase of 7500, plus 2500 per year for tv/radio, and bonuses for performance on and off the court (20+ wins and tourney invitations, plus APR performance by the players).

So, yes, PSU is paying their bball coaches better than years past. I would be interesting to hear the details of the Duchesne contract.

 

[stricker]

1st time poster...longtime reader. congrats to coach duchesne good guy! Also I know k paulson good kid but not EVEN close to being ready for that spot..maybe someday.

 

[Liquor up front!]

Kurt Paulson from Carroll has been offered an asst. position about two weeks ago. He needs to decide what he is going to do in the coming days. I expect him to take the job. He was offered GA position, but Tinkle would be smart to get KP as ND's replacement.

KP would be a smart replacement for Nate. WHAT? I don't think so KP has pretty much 0 coaching experience. He's been the bottom asst at Carroll the last 2 years and he's coached junior high all-star teams the last 2 years in Helena. Nate was a HC at Stanwood H.S. for several years before becoming a HC at Edmonds C.C. before then moving back to the U of M. If you're going to be a D1 asst. you need to have strong recruiting ties along with experience which KP doesn't. KP at best will be a GA but, Tinkle will go after somebody who has legit college coaching experience, like Stang out of Whitefish or maybe Eric Hughes the former SCC coach who's been with the Raptors the last couple of years. Hill and Hughes are good friends so I could see that happening but, until I see an actual news report on this it's all blogging.

I didn't realize that Nate was the "head" assistant, I thought he was more of a "third" assistant type coach. I think you are kind of stuck thinking that the UofM basketball team is actually good. The "mighty" griz basketball program isn't that much ahead of the Carroll program and on most nights the Carroll gym has more fans watching games then the griz will have attending there games.

If KP takes an assistant job with the "mighty" griz basketball team, he better make sure it is a GA spot so he could get his masters and find a good job in business after this regime gets the boot and a new regime takes over.

 

[Liquor up front!]

KP is was scrappy, heady, chip on his shoulder take it at you type PG that led his team to the N.A.I.A Final Four and Elite Eight as a junior and senior respectively. He brings that same leadership and approach to the table as a coach and would be a nice addition to the grizzly staff and a huge loss at CC if that's what he does.

I never said he wasn't a good player but, D1 basketball is a business and if you're going to coach at that level you need to be able to bring something to table other than great college stats and rep. He has no expereince other than what he got the last 2 years at Carroll. He couldn't even get Colt Idol who went to HS the same place he went to come to Carroll, so he has a lot to show and learn yet.

I'll give you and example of the business Mike Price the asst. at Idaho was the manager at UW when Bender was the HC. After college he was an asst. at a JUCO in Iowa that's similiar to CSI. He went out and made his recuirting connections in the MId-West and major metro areas that produce stud players. He then gets hired at EWU, Utah, and Idaho. Mike Price never played one second of college basketball but, he'll always get D1 coaching jobs becuase, of his recruiting abilities and connections and that's what he brings to the table an that's what the business is about. I can tell you this there isn't a D1 or D2 HC in his right mind that is going to give a guy a 50k+ paying assistant job who's only strong point to his resume is that he had a great playing career. Isn't going to happen, he'll Danny Manny had to start out as the G.A. and bottom asst. at Kansas and he won them a NC. You either got to be a great coach with a ton of experience or a great recruiter. KP may have those qualities some day but, right now he doesn't.

Davisten, your idea of KP replacing ND is a far fetched as a Palm tree in Northern Siberia.

I just want to comment on KP not landing Colt Idol for Carroll, He may not have landed Idol, but he did help land Andy Garland. I wonder why Tin or ND couldn't land the best player in the State. A true griz basketball fan must be really ticked that the best player in the State of Montana, out of Missoula of all places, plays at Carroll and not for their "mighty" griz. Again, the griz BBall program isn't that great, quit acting like it is!

 

[beastie]

What is the real reason Nate left?

 

[citygriz]

sad, this situation with duchesne. whether it was a bit for money, a bit for family or a bit for title, it was mainly for opportunity--the opportunity to be associated with a program seen as on the rise on a national scale. this is a strong statement that someone from within the program--and an alum, no less--feels there's greater opportunity not just elsewhere, but within the same conference. the program that has been a springboard to bigger jobs for jud heathcote, jim brandenburg, mike montgomery and stew morill is now seen as inferior to...portland state, a glorified commuter school buried in the portland media by oregon, oregon state and the portland trailblazers.

i'm realistically hoping that tinkle is able to turn it around with the infusion of young talent coming into the program; i even think duchesne could be the one making the big mistake here. still, for an assistant coach to bail on his alma mater for a better opportunity at another school within the same conference...not a great omen, and a rather depressing indication of how far our basketball prestige has fallen.

 

[grizindabox]

City, I must disagree with you a bit. The entire Big Sky is looked at as inferior and it is more of a flavor of the month type league. Currently Portland St. is the flavor of the week, but this can change quickly. Any coach that can get their team to the tourney a couple years in a row will get some attention elsewhere, and this really has nothing to do with said institution.

 

[Spanky]

You are both correct....Portland State is a community college and the Big Sky is an inferior conference.

 

[stricker]

like I said new guy talking here but the "ga" spot is not a $ deal no pay or schooling $.....not trying to be the typical "i got the in" type guy but this is a fact.

 

[Spanky]

Stricker..how about writing in English.

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

sad, this situation with duchesne. whether it was a bit for money, a bit for family or a bit for title, it was mainly for opportunity--the opportunity to be associated with a program seen as on the rise on a national scale. this is a strong statement that someone from within the program--and an alum, no less--feels there's greater opportunity not just elsewhere, but within the same conference. the program that has been a springboard to bigger jobs for jud heathcote, jim brandenburg, mike montgomery and stew morill is now seen as inferior to...portland state, a glorified commuter school buried in the portland media by oregon, oregon state and the portland trailblazers.

i'm realistically hoping that tinkle is able to turn it around with the infusion of young talent coming into the program; i even think duchesne could be the one making the big mistake here. still, for an assistant coach to bail on his alma mater for a better opportunity at another school within the same conference...not a great omen, and a rather depressing indication of how far our basketball prestige has fallen.

Wow, I suppose some Boise State fans felt exactly like you did when Mike Montgomery left as an assistant coach at Boise State to be an assistant coach for Montana under Brandenburg back 1975-76. yep, Boise State must really felt inferior to Montana even though Boise State won the conference (tie for first) and won the tournament in 1976.
Maybe Duchesne sees more opportunity to be a head coach at PSU than he would if stuck around here at Montana.

Maybe he sees that athletic department trying to stick with Wayne Tinkle for the long run and it is Tinkles job until he leaves somewhere else. If this is the case, than an assistant coach that wants to move to head coaching job would not see this as a spring board to HC position here at Montana and it just so happens that a position opened up at PSU, where I doubt a coach would really want to stick around for a long time.

 

[citygriz]

sad, this situation with duchesne. whether it was a bit for money, a bit for family or a bit for title, it was mainly for opportunity--the opportunity to be associated with a program seen as on the rise on a national scale. this is a strong statement that someone from within the program--and an alum, no less--feels there's greater opportunity not just elsewhere, but within the same conference. the program that has been a springboard to bigger jobs for jud heathcote, jim brandenburg, mike montgomery and stew morill is now seen as inferior to...portland state, a glorified commuter school buried in the portland media by oregon, oregon state and the portland trailblazers.

i'm realistically hoping that tinkle is able to turn it around with the infusion of young talent coming into the program; i even think duchesne could be the one making the big mistake here. still, for an assistant coach to bail on his alma mater for a better opportunity at another school within the same conference...not a great omen, and a rather depressing indication of how far our basketball prestige has fallen.

Wow, I suppose some Boise State fans felt exactly like you did when Mike Montgomery left as an assistant coach at Boise State to be an assistant coach for Montana under Brandenburg back 1975-76. yep, Boise State must really felt inferior to Montana even though Boise State won the conference (tie for first) and won the tournament in 1976.
Maybe Duchesne sees more opportunity to be a head coach at PSU than he would if stuck around here at Montana.

Maybe he sees that athletic department trying to stick with Wayne Tinkle for the long run and it is Tinkles job until he leaves somewhere else. If this is the case, than an assistant coach that wants to move to head coaching job would not see this as a spring board to HC position here at Montana and it just so happens that a position opened up at PSU, where I doubt a coach would really want to stick around for a long time.

good points. hope you're right. hope tinks is in it for the long haul here. i certainly think we're on the verge of some very good years.