DROP DOWNS MATTER?

[mtgriz]

General question for discussion. I have no horse in this race but when you see teams like JMU and NDSU dominate the FCS, I believe 9 of the last 10 national championship’s have been won by one or the other. Ok NDSU 8 and JMU 1. Is it because they are 1) better coached, 2) located close to major metropolitan areas with a bigger pool of recruits or 3) have more FBS drop downs?I’m sure there are more factors involved but the trend seems to be stacked in one or the other. Is there a limit on the number of drop downs that can be on any FCS team? Both NDSU and JMU have pretty well manhandled the Big Sky teams and the BSC is supposed to be the second toughest conference in the FCS.
Inquiring minds want to know.

FBS is not much different. The past 10 titles have been one of five schools, as compared to three in FCS.

 

[kemajic]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

106 players listed on roster, 16 transfers total, 49 instate recruits and two are transfers (Rice and Cook).

These are the numbers in year two with several gaps in roster that were filled with transfers and players changing positions. A transfer isn’t always a dropdown.

Most impactful are Sneed, knight, and Mallory, positions that can be recruited in the Northwest and California where UM’s pipeline is. Sneed being only dropdown per say of those three.

Going forward transfers should fill positions thin due to injury rather than inability to recruit. UM’s pipeline is much larger than just Montana.

Would be nice to see a home grown QB with more than two years of eligibility over hired guns every year or two.

Probably will happen when we get one with a daddy that buys the new sprinturf field. Whether he is the best QB on the team or not.....

 

[CDAGRIZ]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

Is it against the rules to sign non-drop-downs who aren’t from Montana?

 

[MontanaJack2006]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

Is it against the rules to sign non-drop-downs who aren’t from Montana?

Checked the bylaws; kosher if they're from Baker or a two hundred mile radius from Zortman.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

Is it against the rules to sign non-drop-downs who aren’t from Montana?

Checked the bylaws; kosher if they're from Baker or a two hundred mile radius from Zortman.

Thx, homie.

 

[Diesel]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

106 players listed on roster, 16 transfers total, 49 instate recruits and two are transfers (Rice and Cook).

These are the numbers in year two with several gaps in roster that were filled with transfers and players changing positions. A transfer isn’t always a dropdown.

Most impactful are Sneed, knight, and Mallory, positions that can be recruited in the Northwest and California where UM’s pipeline is. Sneed being only dropdown per say of those three.

Going forward transfers should fill positions thin due to injury rather than inability to recruit. UM’s pipeline is much larger than just Montana.

Would be nice to see a home grown QB with more than two years of eligibility over hired guns every year or two.

Probably will happen when we get one with a daddy that buys the new sprinturf field. Whether he is the best QB on the team or not.....

:thumb:

 

[AllWeatherFan]

It's all about the FCOA.

 

[Mousegriz]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

106 players listed on roster, 16 transfers total, 49 instate recruits and two are transfers (Rice and Cook).

These are the numbers in year two with several gaps in roster that were filled with transfers and players changing positions. A transfer isn’t always a dropdown.

Most impactful are Sneed, knight, and Mallory, positions that can be recruited in the Northwest and California where UM’s pipeline is. Sneed being only dropdown per say of those three.

Going forward transfers should fill positions thin due to injury rather than inability to recruit. UM’s pipeline is much larger than just Montana.

Would be nice to see a home grown QB with more than two years of eligibility over hired guns every year or two.

Probably will happen when we get one with a daddy that buys the new sprinturf field. Whether he is the best QB on the team or not.....

That loser who led us to one (and almost two) national championships?

 

[Griz1]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

106 players listed on roster, 16 transfers total, 49 instate recruits and two are transfers (Rice and Cook).

These are the numbers in year two with several gaps in roster that were filled with transfers and players changing positions. A transfer isn’t always a dropdown.

Most impactful are Sneed, knight, and Mallory, positions that can be recruited in the Northwest and California where UM’s pipeline is. Sneed being only dropdown per say of those three.

Going forward transfers should fill positions thin due to injury rather than inability to recruit. UM’s pipeline is much larger than just Montana.

Would be nice to see a home grown QB with more than two years of eligibility over hired guns every year or two.

There was another Montana transfer that you didn't mention who contributed quite a bit this year by the name of Patrick O'Connell and will be a big contributor in the future.

 

[Diesel]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

106 players listed on roster, 16 transfers total, 49 instate recruits and two are transfers (Rice and Cook).

These are the numbers in year two with several gaps in roster that were filled with transfers and players changing positions. A transfer isn’t always a dropdown.

Most impactful are Sneed, knight, and Mallory, positions that can be recruited in the Northwest and California where UM’s pipeline is. Sneed being only dropdown per say of those three.

Going forward transfers should fill positions thin due to injury rather than inability to recruit. UM’s pipeline is much larger than just Montana.

Would be nice to see a home grown QB with more than two years of eligibility over hired guns every year or two.

There was another Montana transfer that you didn't mention who contributed quite a bit this year by the name of Patrick O'Connell and will be a big contributor in the future.

True, but he isn’t a dropdown. More of a miss by former staff. Being from Kalispell he is more of a local MT kid being developed into a core player. Hauck has coached him hard and he is turning into a team leader.

 

[Griz1]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

106 players listed on roster, 16 transfers total, 49 instate recruits and two are transfers (Rice and Cook).

These are the numbers in year two with several gaps in roster that were filled with transfers and players changing positions. A transfer isn’t always a dropdown.

Most impactful are Sneed, knight, and Mallory, positions that can be recruited in the Northwest and California where UM’s pipeline is. Sneed being only dropdown per say of those three.

Going forward transfers should fill positions thin due to injury rather than inability to recruit. UM’s pipeline is much larger than just Montana.

Would be nice to see a home grown QB with more than two years of eligibility over hired guns every year or two.

There was another Montana transfer that you didn't mention who contributed quite a bit this year by the name of Patrick O'Connell and will be a big contributor in the future.

True, but he isn’t a dropdown. More of a miss by former staff. Being from Kalispell he is more of a local MT kid being developed into a core player. Hauck has coached him hard and he is turning into a team leader.

You said 2 are transfers and didn’t name him but named Rice and Cook. I was simply pointing that out. Not trying to be critical.

 

[Dillon]

So my question is why does NDSU & SDSU have an advantage with recruiting & drop downs & places like Sac State, Portland State & Northern Colorado seam not to have same kind of advantage?

 

[Proud Griz Man]

So my question is why does NDSU & SDSU have an advantage with recruiting & drop downs & places like Sac State, Portland State & Northern Colorado seam not to have same kind of advantage?

. . . that is obvious . . . because . . . maybe places like Portland State have no impressive history like these (below) to show recruits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H-Fb75sGMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQvOOq8PZm0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjMR8QJJ8-k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_bj2XUqpeg

 

[catsack]

UM does need dropdowns here and there.

If our objective is to compete with the NDSUs and the JMUs, we need a few more than "here and there." Montana simply does not produce the number of elite prospects that two ambitious FCS universities require to be relevant nationally.

106 players listed on roster, 16 transfers total, 49 instate recruits and two are transfers (Rice and Cook).

These are the numbers in year two with several gaps in roster that were filled with transfers and players changing positions. A transfer isn’t always a dropdown.

Most impactful are Sneed, knight, and Mallory, positions that can be recruited in the Northwest and California where UM’s pipeline is. Sneed being only dropdown per say of those three.

Going forward transfers should fill positions thin due to injury rather than inability to recruit. UM’s pipeline is much larger than just Montana.

Would be nice to see a home grown QB with more than two years of eligibility over hired guns every year or two.

Actually four Montana kids are transfers Arntson had to sit this year,and O’Connell. All four transferred up.