Draining the lifeblood of the department (Move-up thread)

[billings_poke]

ASU is a good school with some very strong programs, like the Barretts honors program one of the best in the world, and very strong engineering. However they are not noticeably better in engineering then Cal Poly, WSU or OSU from any non biassed source. Oregon does not offer engineering or have a med school or a vet school.

 

[GrizLA]

ASU is a good school with some very strong programs, like the Barretts honors program one of the best in the world, and very strong engineering. However they are not noticeably better in engineering then Cal Poly, WSU or OSU from any non biassed source. Oregon does not offer engineering or have a med school or a vet school.

Yes, I know...I was passing on what my engineering genius of a neighbor thinks of the CDA note and ASU....some folks like to read into what others wrote...Pissing matches are stupid...By the way, since my genius neighbor did repair my solar system (supervised) he never answers me when I ask how he would measure excellence in engineering, schools or otherwise...But, he says he's smart, paid 5 mil for a house, so I think he might be...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

43rd in engineering (7th in the PAC 12) and an endowment smaller than Washington State. Not saying it's not more well known, but it's hardly an academic powerhouse. Great talent in other areas.

Compare all that to Montana...UM has far, far, far, far to go...

Yep but it's also proof that "a respected medical school, a vet school, or [ ] international recognition of excellence with enrollment numbers that include the top 5% of high schools in America" are not prerequisites for PAC 12 membership.

I live in an area heavy with engineers. My immediate neighbor, a good friend, sitting right here, begs to differ with you since he did much of the hiring at Jacobs for years. Lots of ASU grads here, and, wouldn't you know, they think ASU is better than OSU, WSU, Cal Poly, and, even Oregon...face it, when you have alumnus like that, with adequate funding, schools like UM simply are not on that level. Not a fault of anything to be ashamed of. For a smallish liberal arts school, UM has done ok. It is right where it should be athletically speaking. For what it's worth, he think Idaho churns out some good engineers and designers, as well...

Yeah, because that isn't twisting what I said at all. :roll:
Saying that ASU isn't an academic powerhouse doesn't mean it's not a decent school.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

ASU is a good school with some very strong programs, like the Barretts honors program one of the best in the world, and very strong engineering. However they are not noticeably better in engineering then Cal Poly, WSU or OSU from any non biassed source. Oregon does not offer engineering or have a med school or a vet school.

Yes, I know...I was passing on what my engineering genius of a neighbor thinks of the CDA note and ASU....some folks like to read into what others wrote

Fuck, I'd say so!
What was my note again? Read it twice before answering.

 

[GrizLA]

Compare all that to Montana...UM has far, far, far, far to go...

Yep but it's also proof that "a respected medical school, a vet school, or [ ] international recognition of excellence with enrollment numbers that include the top 5% of high schools in America" are not prerequisites for PAC 12 membership.

I live in an area heavy with engineers. My immediate neighbor, a good friend, sitting right here, begs to differ with you since he did much of the hiring at Jacobs for years. Lots of ASU grads here, and, wouldn't you know, they think ASU is better than OSU, WSU, Cal Poly, and, even Oregon...face it, when you have alumnus like that, with adequate funding, schools like UM simply are not on that level. Not a fault of anything to be ashamed of. For a smallish liberal arts school, UM has done ok. It is right where it should be athletically speaking. For what it's worth, he think Idaho churns out some good engineers and designers, as well...

Yeah, because that isn't twisting what I said at all. :roll:
Saying that ASU isn't an academic powerhouse doesn't mean it's not a decent school.

But, it is...check out Fiske International ratings..foreign students do...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Yep but it's also proof that "a respected medical school, a vet school, or [ ] international recognition of excellence with enrollment numbers that include the top 5% of high schools in America" are not prerequisites for PAC 12 membership.

I live in an area heavy with engineers. My immediate neighbor, a good friend, sitting right here, begs to differ with you since he did much of the hiring at Jacobs for years. Lots of ASU grads here, and, wouldn't you know, they think ASU is better than OSU, WSU, Cal Poly, and, even Oregon...face it, when you have alumnus like that, with adequate funding, schools like UM simply are not on that level. Not a fault of anything to be ashamed of. For a smallish liberal arts school, UM has done ok. It is right where it should be athletically speaking. For what it's worth, he think Idaho churns out some good engineers and designers, as well...

Yeah, because that isn't twisting what I said at all. :roll:
Saying that ASU isn't an academic powerhouse doesn't mean it's not a decent school.

But, it is...check out Fiske International ratings..foreign students do...

Well, I suppose we define "powerhouse" differently. I honestly cannot believe someone is trying to say ASU is an academic powerhouse. TCU and Baylor must be football powerhouses. The true elite with 35 other programs.

Also, best buy? https://asunews.asu.edu/20140715-asu-fiske-best-buy-college

 

[GrizLA]

CDA, you seem to be missing my point. UM will never be a peer institution to ANY PAC school and are exactly where they should be in their athletic programs. Before any move to expand to an FBS league, the University of Montana should get its academic house in order and begin to raise its status. To do that takes money. So, which is it, academics or athletics ,that is more important?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

CDA, you seem to be missing my point. UM will never be a peer institution and are exactly where they should be in their athletic programs. Before any move to expand to an FBS league, the University of Montana should get its academic house in order and begin to raise its status. To do that takes money. So, which is it, academics or athletics ,that is more important?

Oh, I get your point, and I agree. I think you're missing my point. You said UM couldn't be in the PAC 12 unless it had one of three things. ASU doesn't have any of those three things. Therefore, your statement seems slightly incorrect. Thanks.

 

[GrizLA]

CDA, you seem to be missing my point. UM will never be a peer institution and are exactly where they should be in their athletic programs. Before any move to expand to an FBS league, the University of Montana should get its academic house in order and begin to raise its status. To do that takes money. So, which is it, academics or athletics ,that is more important?

Oh, I get your point, and I agree. I think you're missing my point. You said UM couldn't be in the PAC 12 unless it had one of three things. ASU doesn't have any of those three things. Therefore, your statement seems slightly incorrect. Thanks.

But, you seem to have overlooked the Internationally recognized status of ASU....so, this pissing match stops here because I don't really care how good ASU is. I am a Stanford guy, via UM and Oklahoma....and don't give two shits...but do care about academics at UM which seem to be slipping a bit from where they were...I say seem since I no longer see the Leslie Fiedlers or Sappenfields or Craigheads that once put UM on that vaunted map of good universities. If they are there, it is a secret.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

CDA, you seem to be missing my point. UM will never be a peer institution and are exactly where they should be in their athletic programs. Before any move to expand to an FBS league, the University of Montana should get its academic house in order and begin to raise its status. To do that takes money. So, which is it, academics or athletics ,that is more important?

Oh, I get your point, and I agree. I think you're missing my point. You said UM couldn't be in the PAC 12 unless it had one of three things. ASU doesn't have any of those three things. Therefore, your statement seems slightly incorrect. Thanks.

But, you seem to have overlooked the Internationally recognized status of ASU....so, this pissing match stops here because I don't really care how good ASU is.

OK, you can stop if you want. I think we also define "pissing match" differently.

Why didn't you go to ASU? Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Cal Tech, MIT, the Ivies, Texas Wisconsin, Michigan, UVA, Duke, etc. Yep, ASU is on the same planet as those places because some dude ranked them as a "best buy" to market ASU to Chinese people. As a smart guy, you cannot honestly say that ASU is an academic powerhouse, LA. You just can't.

 

[GrizLA]

CDA, you seem to be missing my point. UM will never be a peer institution and are exactly where they should be in their athletic programs. Before any move to expand to an FBS league, the University of Montana should get its academic house in order and begin to raise its status. To do that takes money. So, which is it, academics or athletics ,that is more important?

Oh, I get your point, and I agree. I think you're missing my point. You said UM couldn't be in the PAC 12 unless it had one of three things. ASU doesn't have any of those three things. Therefore, your statement seems slightly incorrect. Thanks.

But, you seem to have overlooked the Internationally recognized status of ASU....so, this pissing match stops here because I don't really care how good ASU is.

OK, you can stop if you want. I think we also define "pissing match" differently.

Why didn't you go to ASU? Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Cal Tech, MIT, the Ivies, Texas Wisconsin, Michigan, UVA, Duke, etc. Yep, ASU is on the same planet as those places because some dude ranked them as a "best buy" to market ASU to Chinese people. As a smart guy, you cannot honestly say that ASU is an academic powerhouse, LA. You just can't.

I paid my dues to Stanford....

 

[rimrockgriz]

Too bad you don't post like "Stanford". (tough when you're agenda driven) No one cares what your neighbors house is purportedly worth, nor do they ponder how many pedicures you've had this year. Academic center...check. Miles to go before we sleep? Check. Tired of your "left statecraft" in this FCS football board...check. uke: LA... :egriz:

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Women's sand volleyball? Move up!!!

 

[AZGrizFan]

Women's sand volleyball? Move up!!!

:lol: :lol: :clap:

 

[reinell30]

I for one do not want to move up! I hate the thought of never again having a playoff game in Griz nation. I like the last regular season game against' the cats...to know that is the last home game of the year, sucks. But then again, we would probably lose that rivalry along with the move up. To play a game for money only kills the sport...Yes, I do not like FBS football. FBS is all about money and getting players to the NFL. We can't have playoffs at this level because it will add more games to the schedule and make these NFL prospects risk a higher chance of injury. That is all BS to me. I like the FCS playoff system, although not perfect, much better than the alternative.
Montana Grizzlies go to the Coyote bowl or? WOW! isn't that exciting? $5 million for the university. No thank you. Leave the Griz where we are....

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Please be Careful R30. You will be accused of thinking the world is Flat. You need to think more progressively . . . :lol:

I for one do not want to move up! I hate the thought of never again having a playoff game in Griz nation. I like the last regular season game against' the cats...to know that is the last home game of the year, sucks. But then again, we would probably lose that rivalry along with the move up. To play a game for money only kills the sport...Yes, I do not like FBS football. FBS is all about money and getting players to the NFL. We can't have playoffs at this level because it will add more games to the schedule and make these NFL prospects risk a higher chance of injury. That is all BS to me. I like the FCS playoff system, although not perfect, much better than the alternative.
Montana Grizzlies go to the Coyote bowl or? WOW! isn't that exciting? $5 million for the university. No thank you. Leave the Griz where we are....

 

[reinell30]

Please be Careful R30. You will be accused of thinking the world is Flat. You need to think more progressively . . . :lol:

I for one do not want to move up! I hate the thought of never again having a playoff game in Griz nation. I like the last regular season game against' the cats...to know that is the last home game of the year, sucks. But then again, we would probably lose that rivalry along with the move up. To play a game for money only kills the sport...Yes, I do not like FBS football. FBS is all about money and getting players to the NFL. We can't have playoffs at this level because it will add more games to the schedule and make these NFL prospects risk a higher chance of injury. That is all BS to me. I like the FCS playoff system, although not perfect, much better than the alternative.
Montana Grizzlies go to the Coyote bowl or? WOW! isn't that exciting? $5 million for the university. No thank you. Leave the Griz where we are....

Thanks PGM, I always speak my mind, people can think and or say what they like about me. Sometimes I don't always communicate the correct message when I am sending my views in text, but I am always at my tailgate to talk to all fans. No move-up!

 

[kemajic]

I for one do not want to move up! I hate the thought of never again having a playoff game in Griz nation. I like the last regular season game against' the cats...to know that is the last home game of the year, sucks. But then again, we would probably lose that rivalry along with the move up. To play a game for money only kills the sport...Yes, I do not like FBS football. FBS is all about money and getting players to the NFL. We can't have playoffs at this level because it will add more games to the schedule and make these NFL prospects risk a higher chance of injury. That is all BS to me. I like the FCS playoff system, although not perfect, much better than the alternative.
Montana Grizzlies go to the Coyote bowl or? WOW! isn't that exciting? $5 million for the university. No thank you. Leave the Griz where we are....

Montana Grizzlies playing Panhandle St, Ft. Lewis, Dixie St, Western St. and a scholarshipless team in the Playoffs? WOW! isn't that exciting?

 

[AZGrizFan]

I for one do not want to move up! I hate the thought of never again having a playoff game in Griz nation. I like the last regular season game against' the cats...to know that is the last home game of the year, sucks. But then again, we would probably lose that rivalry along with the move up. To play a game for money only kills the sport...Yes, I do not like FBS football. FBS is all about money and getting players to the NFL. We can't have playoffs at this level because it will add more games to the schedule and make these NFL prospects risk a higher chance of injury. That is all BS to me. I like the FCS playoff system, although not perfect, much better than the alternative.
Montana Grizzlies go to the Coyote bowl or? WOW! isn't that exciting? $5 million for the university. No thank you. Leave the Griz where we are....

Montana Grizzlies playing Panhandle St, Ft. Lewis, Dixie St, Western St. and a scholarshipless team in the Playoffs? WOW! isn't that exciting?

Love those guaranteed wins, eh majic? :lol:

 

[reinell30]

I for one do not want to move up! I hate the thought of never again having a playoff game in Griz nation. I like the last regular season game against' the cats...to know that is the last home game of the year, sucks. But then again, we would probably lose that rivalry along with the move up. To play a game for money only kills the sport...Yes, I do not like FBS football. FBS is all about money and getting players to the NFL. We can't have playoffs at this level because it will add more games to the schedule and make these NFL prospects risk a higher chance of injury. That is all BS to me. I like the FCS playoff system, although not perfect, much better than the alternative.
Montana Grizzlies go to the Coyote bowl or? WOW! isn't that exciting? $5 million for the university. No thank you. Leave the Griz where we are....

Montana Grizzlies playing Panhandle St, Ft. Lewis, Dixie St, Western St. and a scholarshipless team in the Playoffs? WOW! isn't that exciting?

Those are choices the leadership of UM make and the playoff personnel. UM doesn't have to play teams like these. Just like UM playing Wyoming or Tennessee or other FBS teams, using your logic, do you think that was exciting for them? That is the nature of the beast no matter what level you play at.