Dose of............

[AZGrizFan]

Were you bragging about Stitt's game plan after the 2nd half of EWU game last year? We're 0-3 in the last three weeks with those genius game plans. Games are 4 quarters long. Not 2. Not 3. Four f***[*] quarters. We haven't played four complete quarters in a game this YEAR. Do you put that on coaches or players?

I doubt that EWU last year and Davis this year, had anything to do with the game plans.

It's called a GAME plan. Not a "half" plan, or a "three quarters" plan. GAME. As in, ENTIRE game.

So, is the game plan a plan that changes every half or ever quarter or what? Isn't a game plan more what the team starts with, prepares for, and then adapts with?

Again, what was the Griz game plan and how should it have been different?

Apparently ours do not. Adapts. That's cute.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

here's a dose of reality: the current coaches aren't doing their jobs.

Dude youre a freaking moron, will you crawl into a hole somewhere.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

The offensive line didn’t completely change the game plan at halftime and go away from what was working.
The offensive line doesn’t call the plays.
The offensive line didn’t throw 3 INT’s trying to win the game all by themselves.
The offensive line didn’t give up 36 points in the 4th quarter.
The offensive line didn’t miss receivers by 5-7 yards consistently.
The offensive line wasn’t throwing bullets to receivers 7 yards away.
The offensive line didn’t decided to go for it on 4th & 1 with our littlest and little used RB
The offensive line didn’t blow the double pass trick play immediately following.
The offensive line didn’t go from causing 5 straight punts to giving up 6 straight TD’s

The offensive line was actually one of the better looking units on the field yesterday.

I usually agree with you AZ on a lot of things...but I cant get behind this....to me it is clear how much this oline is holding this team back.

 

[bgbigdog]

The offensive line didn’t completely change the game plan at halftime and go away from what was working.
The offensive line doesn’t call the plays.
The offensive line didn’t throw 3 INT’s trying to win the game all by themselves.
The offensive line didn’t give up 36 points in the 4th quarter.
The offensive line didn’t miss receivers by 5-7 yards consistently.
The offensive line wasn’t throwing bullets to receivers 7 yards away.
The offensive line didn’t decided to go for it on 4th & 1 with our littlest and little used RB
The offensive line didn’t blow the double pass trick play immediately following.
The offensive line didn’t go from causing 5 straight punts to giving up 6 straight TD’s

The offensive line was actually one of the better looking units on the field yesterday.

I usually agree with you AZ on a lot of things...but I cant get behind this....to me it is clear how much this oline is holding this team back.

11 tackles for loss & 6 sacks is as much on the o-line as any other unit. Sneed was hit on every offensive play of the second half. How many guys are running unabated at him during the course of the game?

But you’re right, it was like the O-Line wasn’t even there.

 

[Diesel]

PR I agree with alot of your posts and I agree with standing up for Hauck and Sneed.
AZ has a good point on coaching in second half. Simply put Griz coaches, OC in particular took the crowd out of the game and Sneed’s turnovers started with the INT in the red zone with a late throw outside, good play by DB, but blame goes to Sneed on that one FG would have been huge at that point.
More specifics, the O-line needs help. Solution dink and dunk and extra blockers (TEs). UC Davis did this all game their coaches protected O-line and QB with dink and dunk plays until Griz came unhinged thn they poured it on.
Second half the Griz got a couple chunk plays and became inpatient and forced plays. Coaches didn’t prep players. One play Bingham was blocking and there was no defender in front of him, he just stayed in a blocking position out in open air instead of getting into a route or turn for a QB dump off option, I would venture good coaching would have prepared Bingham and Sneed for those situations,play result, incompletion playing 10 on offense.
When the momentum started to swing all the sudden three and four WR packages while Griz still had lead, putting undo pressue on O-line and QB. Result more mistakes, while UC Davis is dinking and dunking, chip chip chip. Goes back to coaching. Fourth down failure coaching season stats prove Griz can’t convert short yardage run. Bootleg and or pass or just punt the damn ball, coaching decision can’t blame the players for that one.
TEs and threat of Sulser made positive impact in first half, coaches went away from those plays in second half. JLM has been denutted by the coaches compared to where he was at the start of the season, Hill committed to play TE for team, how has he been rewarded? There is plenty of talent on team the coaching staff is responsible to protect the weaknesses they see them everyday and they are responsible to accentuate to strengths.
Hope this staff gets a handle on things fast, the players are playing hard and are buying into what the coaches ask of them.
I still blame last three losses on Bobby, he needs to get 100 out of the way.

 

[Fahque]

Rule, the OL needs to be replaced with JC transfers....the entire line. Recruiting for this important group has been poor. The Griz have a good QB and above average running backs, but they will never have consistent performance without a first rate line. Talent with this group is needed, not DOLA or attitude.

Sneed is an elite athlete, playing QB You’re right about needing first rate line talent.

You are joking, right? Please tell me you are joking. He is a good, maybe even very good athlete but, he is not in the elite athlete.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR I agree with alot of your posts and I agree with standing up for Hauck [not sure I have been sayin much about Hauck] and Sneed.
AZ has a good point on coaching in second half. Simply put Griz coaches, OC in particular took the crowd out of the game [How did OC take crowd out of game? Note that early in 2d half, much of crowd was out of the stadium] and Sneed’s turnovers started with the INT in the red zone with a late throw outside [Note that UM was down 7 at this point, and had just given up 25 points in a row; correct bad throw], good play by DB, but blame goes to Sneed on that one FG would have been huge at that point. [Are talking second half, not first? If so, I agree.]
More specifics, the O-line needs help. Solution dink and dunk and extra blockers (TEs). UC Davis did this all game their coaches protected O-line and QB with dink and dunk [Agreed, but note that some Griz fans diss Sneed and the offense for short passes; guess it's okay for Maier] plays until Griz came unhinged thn they poured it on.
Second half the Griz got a couple chunk plays and became inpatient and forced plays. Coaches didn’t prep players [How didn't they help prep the players?]. One play Bingham was blocking and there was no defender in front of him, he just stayed in a blocking position out in open air instead of getting into a route or turn for a QB dump off option [I didn't see the play], I would venture good coaching would have prepared Bingham and Sneed for those situations,play result, incompletion playing 10 on offense.
When the momentum started to swing all the sudden three and four WR packages while Griz still had lead, putting undo pressue on O-line and QB. [I don't recall the specifics, but not that we had 2 rb's off with injuries and 1 had just fumbled, at that point. Don't know if that was a factor.] Result more mistakes, while UC Davis is dinking and dunking, chip chip chip. Goes back to coaching. Fourth down failure coaching season stats prove Griz can’t convert short yardage run. [This has been a problem all year.] Bootleg and or pass or just punt the damn ball, coaching decision can’t blame the players for that one.
TEs and threat of Sulser made positive impact in first half, coaches went away from those plays in second half. JLM has been denutted by the coaches compared to where he was at the start of the season [I am all for using JLM more.] , Hill committed to play TE for team, how has he been rewarded? There is plenty of talent on team the coaching staff is responsible to protect the weaknesses they see them everyday and they are responsible to accentuate to strengths.
Hope this staff gets a handle on things fast, the players are playing hard and are buying into what the coaches ask of them.
I still blame last three losses on Bobby, he needs to get 100 out of the way. [I don't agree with you at all, but you are welcome to your opinion, of course. Coaches don't fumble and throw picks. Coaches don't get penalties. Coaches don't miss blocks. Coaches don't miss tackles. This being said, I'm not giving the coaches a pass either.]

I embedded some comments in your post, in brackets.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

PR I agree with alot of your posts and I agree with standing up for Hauck and Sneed.
AZ has a good point on coaching in second half. Simply put Griz coaches, OC in particular took the crowd out of the game and Sneed’s turnovers started with the INT in the red zone with a late throw outside, good play by DB, but blame goes to Sneed on that one FG would have been huge at that point.
More specifics, the O-line needs help. Solution dink and dunk and extra blockers (TEs). UC Davis did this all game their coaches protected O-line and QB with dink and dunk plays until Griz came unhinged thn they poured it on.
Second half the Griz got a couple chunk plays and became inpatient and forced plays. Coaches didn’t prep players. One play Bingham was blocking and there was no defender in front of him, he just stayed in a blocking position out in open air instead of getting into a route or turn for a QB dump off option, I would venture good coaching would have prepared Bingham and Sneed for those situations,play result, incompletion playing 10 on offense.
When the momentum started to swing all the sudden three and four WR packages while Griz still had lead, putting undo pressue on O-line and QB. Result more mistakes, while UC Davis is dinking and dunking, chip chip chip. Goes back to coaching. Fourth down failure coaching season stats prove Griz can’t convert short yardage run. Bootleg and or pass or just punt the damn ball, coaching decision can’t blame the players for that one.
TEs and threat of Sulser made positive impact in first half, coaches went away from those plays in second half. JLM has been denutted by the coaches compared to where he was at the start of the season, Hill committed to play TE for team, how has he been rewarded? There is plenty of talent on team the coaching staff is responsible to protect the weaknesses they see them everyday and they are responsible to accentuate to strengths.
Hope this staff gets a handle on things fast, the players are playing hard and are buying into what the coaches ask of them.
I still blame last three losses on Bobby, he needs to get 100 out of the way.

UCD's QB, when under pressure or while scrambling was able to get off split second throws that were on the money. His arm and wrist motion are very much like Aaron Rodgers, and he can flick touch passes off either foot with accuracy. I'm sure he regularly practices that. His receivers were very good at getting separation, finding space and catching the ball when contested. He was also fundamentally sound, holding the ball when his first option was not there, scanning the field and firing immediately upon spotting an open receiver. Our QB has a windup and exaggerated release and follow through. Essentially none of the arm strength needed to deliver long passes with accuracy. It's true on the fumble the defender came in free, but it appeared to be a delayed rush and there was time to deliver the ball before he got there. And he is not accurate enough for his misses to be away from the defender. (like in golf, good golfers miss the green on the correct side, amateurs don't know where their misses are going). I've always favored an accurate passer with wheels over an athletic runner with limited throwing skills. I assume, because Bobby knows about what makes a good QB, that he sees Sneed as possessing the ability to develop his throwing skills.

 

[Diesel]

Well PR we agree on several points. The line on blaming Bobby was a joke. He is responsible to a point, but players make the plays. Interesting comment by Colter this week on head coaches that have players who make bad calls look good.
Bobby and staff are more detail oriented and more demanding on and off the field than past staffs there are pros and cons to that. Time will tell if Bobby's way is best. He cares and is vested deeply in program.

 

[PlayerRep]

Well PR we agree on several points. The line on blaming Bobby was a joke. He is responsible to a point, but players make the plays. Interesting comment by Colter this week on head coaches that have players who make bad calls look good.
Bobby and staff are more detail oriented and more demanding on and off the field than past staffs there are pros and cons to that. Time will tell if Bobby's way is best. He cares and is vested deeply in program.

Yes, we agree. I find that many of often agree with many or most things, after we take the time to have a calm discussion, if we ever get to that. What exactly did Coulter say?

 

[Diesel]

Well PR we agree on several points. The line on blaming Bobby was a joke. He is responsible to a point, but players make the plays. Interesting comment by Colter this week on head coaches that have players who make bad calls look good.
Bobby and staff are more detail oriented and more demanding on and off the field than past staffs there are pros and cons to that. Time will tell if Bobby's way is best. He cares and is vested deeply in program.

Yes, we agree. I find that many of often agree with many or most things, after we take the time to have a calm discussion, if we ever get to that. What exactly did Coulter say?

On radio program Mike Ferriter as OC mentioned that players would make bad calls look good. He gave credit to Grueller for checking out of bad calls and credited the players execution of the calls that were made.
Reminds me of recent past on plays that JLM made in pryor years, were they good calls or did the player excel?
Olson on defense is excelling in his execution and Sulser has had a few moments as well as Sneed this year. Many players have made plays this year. The change in success and failure has been turnovers. Recently the defense can’t get a turnover and the offense is giving them up in bunches. Turnovers can help a weak defense and destroy a great offense.

 

[BillingsMafia]

The griz have never had a dominant offensive line and never will. Montana is not Alabama. Best we can do is decent offensive line combined with a very accurate QB who can throw the ball deep. Great offensive linemen are rare and will not go to a FCS school.

 

[ilovethecats]

The griz have never had a dominant offensive line and never will. Montana is not Alabama. Best we can do is decent offensive line combined with a very accurate QB who can throw the ball deep. Great offensive linemen are rare and will not go to a FCS school.

And if the griz had to play schools like Alabama you’d be correct. But the play fcs and fcs schools. And in the fcs, the griz sadly for me have had some VERY dominant olines over the years.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The offensive line didn’t completely change the game plan at halftime and go away from what was working.
The offensive line doesn’t call the plays.
The offensive line didn’t throw 3 INT’s trying to win the game all by themselves.
The offensive line didn’t give up 36 points in the 4th quarter.
The offensive line didn’t miss receivers by 5-7 yards consistently.
The offensive line wasn’t throwing bullets to receivers 7 yards away.
The offensive line didn’t decided to go for it on 4th & 1 with our littlest and little used RB
The offensive line didn’t blow the double pass trick play immediately following.
The offensive line didn’t go from causing 5 straight punts to giving up 6 straight TD’s

The offensive line was actually one of the better looking units on the field yesterday.

I usually agree with you AZ on a lot of things...but I cant get behind this....to me it is clear how much this oline is holding this team back.

I'm not saying they're not...just pointing out that there's plenty of blame to go around...including the coaches, the QB, the play calling (O & D), the execution, etc, etc.

 

[grizindabox]

The offensive line didn’t completely change the game plan at halftime and go away from what was working.
The offensive line doesn’t call the plays.
The offensive line didn’t throw 3 INT’s trying to win the game all by themselves.
The offensive line didn’t give up 36 points in the 4th quarter.
The offensive line didn’t miss receivers by 5-7 yards consistently.
The offensive line wasn’t throwing bullets to receivers 7 yards away.
The offensive line didn’t decided to go for it on 4th & 1 with our littlest and little used RB
The offensive line didn’t blow the double pass trick play immediately following.
The offensive line didn’t go from causing 5 straight punts to giving up 6 straight TD’s

The offensive line was actually one of the better looking units on the field yesterday.

I usually agree with you AZ on a lot of things...but I cant get behind this....to me it is clear how much this oline is holding this team back.

I'm not saying they're not...just pointing out that there's plenty of blame to go around...including the coaches, the QB, the play calling (O & D), the execution, etc, etc.

The crux of the issue is the offensive line.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The offensive line didn’t completely change the game plan at halftime and go away from what was working.
The offensive line doesn’t call the plays.
The offensive line didn’t throw 3 INT’s trying to win the game all by themselves.
The offensive line didn’t give up 36 points in the 4th quarter.
The offensive line didn’t miss receivers by 5-7 yards consistently.
The offensive line wasn’t throwing bullets to receivers 7 yards away.
The offensive line didn’t decided to go for it on 4th & 1 with our littlest and little used RB
The offensive line didn’t blow the double pass trick play immediately following.
The offensive line didn’t go from causing 5 straight punts to giving up 6 straight TD’s

The offensive line was actually one of the better looking units on the field yesterday.

I usually agree with you AZ on a lot of things...but I cant get behind this....to me it is clear how much this oline is holding this team back.

I'm not saying they're not...just pointing out that there's plenty of blame to go around...including the coaches, the QB, the play calling (O & D), the execution, etc, etc.

The crux of the issue is the offensive line.

I know. I hate it when they give up 46 straight points.

 

[grizindabox]

I usually agree with you AZ on a lot of things...but I cant get behind this....to me it is clear how much this oline is holding this team back.

I'm not saying they're not...just pointing out that there's plenty of blame to go around...including the coaches, the QB, the play calling (O & D), the execution, etc, etc.

The crux of the issue is the offensive line.

I know. I hate it when they give up 46 straight points.

I hate when the offense can't score to stop a run of 46 points.

 

[BillingsMafia]

The griz have never had a dominant offensive line and never will. Montana is not Alabama. Best we can do is decent offensive line combined with a very accurate QB who can throw the ball deep. Great offensive linemen are rare and will not go to a FCS school.

And if the griz had to play schools like Alabama you’d be correct. But the play fcs and fcs schools. And in the fcs, the griz sadly for me have had some VERY dominant olines over the years.

The current North Dakota State team would not be dominated by the best offensive line the Griz have ever had. The 1995 national championship team's offensive line did not dominate Marshall. That game was won by great QB play and a coach that understood the short passing game. Hauck never has had a short passing game even close to what Read put together. For Montana to win another championship its going to take a very bright coach, an exceptional QB. Its not possible to recruit a truly dominant offensive line to Montana. I wonder if Bobby has read Don Read's book?

 

[Ursus1]

Dlines have their ears pinned back against this oline....yet never use a screen (other than useless Bubble screens they do with corners playing tight since have no fear of being beat deep).