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Don't think football generates net funds/profit for the university, the "profit" is from donors

mthoopsfan

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I don't think UM football earns much, if any, net money/revenue/profits, other than from donations from alums and supporters. See below from Gemini.

It looks like the budget is $8.7 million. While there is a “net profit” of $2.6 million, donations are listed at $2.5 million to $3.0 million.

Thus, if this is accurate football doesn’t make a bunch of net money/profit for the university and doesn’t generate net revenues to pay for compensation for the football players. The football “profit” is all from donors.




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Gemini said​



The University of Montana’s football budget for the 2024 fiscal year was approximately $8.7 million.


While the total operating expenses for the entire Grizzly Athletics department were roughly $28.6 million, the football program remains the primary financial engine, generating significant revenue that helps subsidize other non-revenue-generating sports.

Financial Breakdown (Football Only)

Based on recent financial reports and data from the 2024 fiscal cycle:
CategoryEstimated Amount
Total Expenses$8.7 million
Total Revenue$11.3 million
Net Profit$2.6 million





You sai






Gemini saiWhile the University of Montana (UM) does not publicly itemize every single line item of the football budget in a single public document, we can reconstruct the major categories based on recent financial reports (FY24 and FY25) and athletic department disclosures.

For the 2024–2025 cycle, the football program’s budget of approximately $8.7 million is distributed across the following primary functional areas:

1. Personnel & Coaching Salaries (~$3.5M – $4.0M)

This is consistently the largest expenditure. It covers the head coach, 10 full-time assistant coaches, strength and conditioning staff, and administrative support.
  • Head Coach Salary: Historically ranges between $300,000 and $400,000 in base pay, plus significant performance bonuses.
  • Assistant Pool: UM has one of the highest salary pools for assistant coaches in the Big Sky Conference to remain competitive with programs like Montana State and North Dakota State.

2. Athletic Scholarships (~$2.1M – $2.4M)

The NCAA allows FCS programs to provide up to 63 full scholarship equivalents.
  • Because UM is a state school, these costs are split between in-state and out-of-state tuition, room, board, and books.
  • A significant portion of this is funded through the Grizzly Scholarship Association (GSA), which raises over $5.7 million annually for all UM sports, with football taking the largest share.

3. Team Travel & Logistics (~$1.0M – $1.2M)

Travel is a major variable depending on the schedule.
  • Charter Flights: Costs spike in years where the Griz play away games in distant locations (e.g., California or the Midwest).
  • Post-Season: Deep playoff runs (common for UM) require additional unbudgeted travel expenses, often offset by the NCAA or emergency fund allocations.

4. Operations & Equipment (~$800K – $1.1M)

  • Equipment: Includes high-end protective gear, uniforms (Nike contract), and training technology.
  • Nutrition: "Training table" meals and nutritional supplements for 100+ student-athletes.
  • Recruiting: National travel for coaches, on-campus visits for recruits, and digital marketing.

5. Revenue Sharing & NIL (New for 2025-26)

Following the House v. NCAA settlement, UM began opting into direct revenue sharing with athletes as of July 2025.
  • While not fully reflected in the $8.7M figure from FY24, this category is expected to add over $1 million in new "expenses" to the football budget over the next two years as the school begins paying players directly from athletic revenue.

Revenue Source Comparison

To understand the budget, it helps to see where the money comes from to cover these costs:
Revenue SourceNote
Ticket SalesThe Griz lead the FCS in attendance, generating nearly $4M–$5M annually.
Guaranteed Games"Body bag" games against FBS schools (like Washington or Oregon) can bring in $400,000+ per game.
Donations/GSADirect donor support specifically for football operations.
Concessions/ParkingHigh-margin revenue from Washington-Grizzly Stadium events.






You sai





Gemini said​

The University of Montana (UM) football program is one of the few in the FCS (Football Championship Subdivision) that is consistently profitable, generating over $11.3 million in revenue for the 2024–2025 cycle. This income is used not only to fund football but also to subsidize many of the university’s other 14 intercollegiate sports.
The revenue is primarily driven by "Griz Nation's" high engagement, with the program regularly leading the nation in FCS attendance.

Revenue Breakdown by Category

CategoryEstimated RevenueKey Details
Ticket Sales$4.5M – $5.0MUM has set records for three consecutive years, reaching nearly 20,000 season tickets sold for the 2025 season.
Donor Contributions (GSA)$2.5M – $3.0MFunds from the Grizzly Scholarship Association (GSA) and the "Good Ol' Grizzlies" fund, which was brought in-house in late 2025.
Sponsorships & Media$1.2M – $1.5MIncludes the Learfield multimedia rights deal, local television broadcasts, and corporate stadium signage.
Guaranteed Games$400K – $600KPayouts for playing "away" games against major FBS powerhouses (e.g., Washington or Boise State).
Concessions & Parking$800K – $1.0MHigh-margin revenue from game-day sales at Washington-Grizzly Stadium.
NCAA/Big Sky Distributions.
$300,000 - $500,000
 
Didn't want to start a new thread for this tidbit. What NY Giants are paying their punter per punt.

"That breaks down to just below 58 punts per season — a number in line with the Giants’ thus far largely unchanged offense, 59 punts last season — and at an average of $4.1 million per season for his new deal, Big Blue will be forking over an estimated $70,689.66 for each punt."
 
Didn't want to start a new thread for this tidbit. What NY Giants are paying their punter per punt.

"That breaks down to just below 58 punts per season — a number in line with the Giants’ thus far largely unchanged offense, 59 punts last season — and at an average of $4.1 million per season for his new deal, Big Blue will be forking over an estimated $70,689.66 for each punt."
Way to rub it in. A freaking punter with one punt makes more than i make in a year😂😢.
 
Let's get together and work our kicking legs...I'm up for 70k per kick!
Anyone who actually wants to kick or punt seriously I know a kicking coach in AZ that used to play in the NFL and has coached many guys to college football and the NFL.
 
On the bright side, at least you get to live in Alabama....
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I don't think UM football earns much, if any, net money/revenue/profits, other than from donations from alums and supporters. See below from Gemini.

It looks like the budget is $8.7 million. While there is a “net profit” of $2.6 million, donations are listed at $2.5 million to $3.0 million.

Thus, if this is accurate football doesn’t make a bunch of net money/profit for the university and doesn’t generate net revenues to pay for compensation for the football players. The football “profit” is all from donors.



You said








Gemini said​



The University of Montana’s football budget for the 2024 fiscal year was approximately $8.7 million.


While the total operating expenses for the entire Grizzly Athletics department were roughly $28.6 million, the football program remains the primary financial engine, generating significant revenue that helps subsidize other non-revenue-generating sports.

Financial Breakdown (Football Only)

Based on recent financial reports and data from the 2024 fiscal cycle:

CategoryEstimated Amount
Total Expenses$8.7 million
Total Revenue$11.3 million
Net Profit$2.6 million






You sai







Gemini saiWhile the University of Montana (UM) does not publicly itemize every single line item of the football budget in a single public document, we can reconstruct the major categories based on recent financial reports (FY24 and FY25) and athletic department disclosures.

For the 2024–2025 cycle, the football program’s budget of approximately $8.7 million is distributed across the following primary functional areas:

1. Personnel & Coaching Salaries (~$3.5M – $4.0M)

This is consistently the largest expenditure. It covers the head coach, 10 full-time assistant coaches, strength and conditioning staff, and administrative support.

  • Head Coach Salary: Historically ranges between $300,000 and $400,000 in base pay, plus significant performance bonuses.
  • Assistant Pool: UM has one of the highest salary pools for assistant coaches in the Big Sky Conference to remain competitive with programs like Montana State and North Dakota State.

2. Athletic Scholarships (~$2.1M – $2.4M)

The NCAA allows FCS programs to provide up to 63 full scholarship equivalents.

  • Because UM is a state school, these costs are split between in-state and out-of-state tuition, room, board, and books.
  • A significant portion of this is funded through the Grizzly Scholarship Association (GSA), which raises over $5.7 million annually for all UM sports, with football taking the largest share.

3. Team Travel & Logistics (~$1.0M – $1.2M)

Travel is a major variable depending on the schedule.

  • Charter Flights: Costs spike in years where the Griz play away games in distant locations (e.g., California or the Midwest).
  • Post-Season: Deep playoff runs (common for UM) require additional unbudgeted travel expenses, often offset by the NCAA or emergency fund allocations.

4. Operations & Equipment (~$800K – $1.1M)

  • Equipment: Includes high-end protective gear, uniforms (Nike contract), and training technology.
  • Nutrition: "Training table" meals and nutritional supplements for 100+ student-athletes.
  • Recruiting: National travel for coaches, on-campus visits for recruits, and digital marketing.

5. Revenue Sharing & NIL (New for 2025-26)

Following the House v. NCAA settlement, UM began opting into direct revenue sharing with athletes as of July 2025.

  • While not fully reflected in the $8.7M figure from FY24, this category is expected to add over $1 million in new "expenses" to the football budget over the next two years as the school begins paying players directly from athletic revenue.

Revenue Source Comparison

To understand the budget, it helps to see where the money comes from to cover these costs:

Revenue SourceNote
Ticket SalesThe Griz lead the FCS in attendance, generating nearly $4M–$5M annually.
Guaranteed Games"Body bag" games against FBS schools (like Washington or Oregon) can bring in $400,000+ per game.
Donations/GSADirect donor support specifically for football operations.
Concessions/ParkingHigh-margin revenue from Washington-Grizzly Stadium events.






You sai






Gemini said​

The University of Montana (UM) football program is one of the few in the FCS (Football Championship Subdivision) that is consistently profitable, generating over $11.3 million in revenue for the 2024–2025 cycle. This income is used not only to fund football but also to subsidize many of the university’s other 14 intercollegiate sports.
The revenue is primarily driven by "Griz Nation's" high engagement, with the program regularly leading the nation in FCS attendance.

Revenue Breakdown by Category

CategoryEstimated RevenueKey Details
Ticket Sales$4.5M – $5.0MUM has set records for three consecutive years, reaching nearly 20,000 season tickets sold for the 2025 season.
Donor Contributions (GSA)$2.5M – $3.0MFunds from the Grizzly Scholarship Association (GSA) and the "Good Ol' Grizzlies" fund, which was brought in-house in late 2025.
Sponsorships & Media$1.2M – $1.5MIncludes the Learfield multimedia rights deal, local television broadcasts, and corporate stadium signage.
Guaranteed Games$400K – $600KPayouts for playing "away" games against major FBS powerhouses (e.g., Washington or Boise State).
Concessions & Parking$800K – $1.0MHigh-margin revenue from game-day sales at Washington-Grizzly Stadium.
NCAA/Big Sky Distributions.
$300,000 - $500,000
Great post. Thanks for the info. Interesting for sure.
 
Nobody has a "hard" number, but a general consensus suggests that athletic departments (all sports) at most schools (i.e., not the rich P4/5 set) pay around half of their costs from fees and legislative subsidies. Some level is legit ... physical education is good for people as they mature. But when some players in some sports (think football and basketball ... mostly) make more than many/most people, how long will voters put up with those high costs?
 
Nobody has a "hard" number, but a general consensus suggests that athletic departments (all sports) at most schools (i.e., not the rich P4/5 set) pay around half of their costs from fees and legislative subsidies. Some level is legit ... physical education is good for people as they mature. But when some players in some sports (think football and basketball ... mostly) make more than many/most people, how long will voters put up with those high costs?
Very, very true...taxpayer money subsidizing millionaire QBs won't last long in my crystal ball.

Universities are already cutting programs and slashing budgets...
 
Ahhh yes. Hoops discovers AI. This should be a fun chapter in egriz history.
I have used AI for years. I use Gemini most days. AI is great. But, unlike some on egriz, I don't use AI wording as if it's my words.

If you aren't using AI, life is passing you by. Some of saying AI will end up being the greatest technical invention in modern history.

From Gemini:

The "Revolutionary" View: The Final Invention​

The argument for AI being the greatest (or most significant) invention rests on one unique factor: Intelligence. Every other tool in human history—from the wheel to the Saturn V rocket—was designed to augment human muscle or senses. AI is the first tool designed to augment the human mind.

  • Recursive Self-Improvement: Unlike a steam engine, which stays a steam engine, an AI can theoretically be used to design a better version of itself. This "feedback loop" could lead to advancements in medicine, physics, and energy that would take humans centuries to achieve alone.
  • The "Final Invention" Theory: Some philosophers, like Nick Bostrom, argue that if we create a Superintelligence (AGI), it will be the last invention humans ever need to make, as the AI would handle all subsequent technological breakthroughs.
 
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Anyone who actually wants to kick or punt seriously I know a kicking coach in AZ that used to play in the NFL and has coached many guys to college football and the NFL.
Genuinely set me up, I had never kicked during my football career but was a collegiate jumper, who know maybe that ole right leg still has some power in it, just need to focus it in a new direction.
 

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