Dog Days Poll

[PlayerRep]

No, I saw a PSU game that gave up 35 points in the pouring rain; against an MSU game that gave up 35 points on a perfect day.

Again, comparing "scores" is pretty stupid. Two COMPLETELlY different games.

Just as Gregorak-coached defenses did not, in two games, lose by as much to NDSU as Semore in one.

And the game that MSU only scored 7 against the UM defense was also a COMPLETELY different game, as was the previous year, MSU scoring just 14. THERE'S JUST NO COMPARISON. HELL, WE'VE NEVER REALLY BEATEN ANYONE, right? Or really lost any games either! THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT GAMES! You can't compare teams, games, seasons, players, coaches. Right?

With 35 points in 2015, MSU got just THAT much better against a Semore-coached defense, right? Practically scoring their season average. Good for Semore for giving them that chance.

But, it was a different game!

Something is pretty stupid, that's for sure.

C-.

This just in; your points argument is lame and convincing no one. The only thing obvious is your agenda.

Kem, care to explain what you're saying? I'm not understanding, but I am open to learning what I'm missing here.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You saw a different PSU game than I.

No, I saw a PSU game that gave up 35 points in the pouring rain; against an MSU game that gave up 35 points on a perfect day.

Again, comparing "scores" is pretty stupid. Two COMPLETELlY different games.

Just as Gregorak-coached defenses did not, in two games, lose by as much to NDSU as Semore in one.

And the game that MSU only scored 7 against the UM defense was also a COMPLETELY different game, as was the previous year, MSU scoring just 14. THERE'S JUST NO COMPARISON. HELL, WE'VE NEVER REALLY BEATEN ANYONE, right? Or really lost any games either! THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT GAMES! You can't compare teams, games, seasons, players, coaches. Right?

With 35 points in 2015, MSU got just THAT much better against a Semore-coached defense, right? Practically scoring their season average. Good for Semore for giving them that chance.

But, it was a different game!

Something is pretty stupid, that's for sure.

C-.

The butt hurt is strong in this one. :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

This just in; your points argument is lame and convincing no one. The only thing obvious is your agenda.

Ah yes, the agenda!

i offered an opinion on just one of several categories. I did the research, and offered a basis for the opinion. The rest of the "agenda" is all yours.

How did Golden State beat Cleveland by 30 one night, only to get beaten by 30 two nights later? Did Cleveland get 60 points better overnight?

 

[UMGriz75]

How did Golden State beat Cleveland by 30 one night, only to get beaten by 30 two nights later? Did Cleveland get 60 points better overnight?

Tired maybe? Is that your excuse? That Semore was tired? That, in the previous two outings against the 'Cats, Gregorak had gotten a good nights sleep? That's the difference?

Seriously?

Like when you made a fool of yourself over Stitt's contract, and ended up wrong after several thousand words of name calling and chest-puffing, you are simply being an idiot.

That it the reason I looked at three dimensions of metrics over a three year period. The data generated the conclusion, not, like you, where the opinion comes first.

This is fairly typical. Look, an opinion was asked. I looked at some data for one aspect. I reported the data and offered the opinion. Take it for whatever you please, but its not always necessary for you to look for an excuse to be an asshole. You apparently don't need one.

 

[UMGriz75]

The butt hurt is strong in this one. :lol:

I don't know how Semore felt after giving the Cats 35 points, but you always pretend to know, and so if you say so.

 

[Gaeilge1]

Recruiting -- B-. The class looks stellar on paper and I like the drop downs and transfers because they've shown they can play at this level. I am still deeply concerned about balance in recruiting. Looking at the raw numbers it appears that there is balance but a closer look suggests that we have overabundant depth at some positions and are very thin at others.

Offensive Scheme/Strategy -- I. By his own admission Stitt has said that his offense last year was incomplete. Who am I to argue?

Defense -- C. Comparing TG and Coach S is irrelevant. What needs to be shown is that we can stop a good running game.

Decision Making -- D-. Until I see a change in attitude regarding going for it on 4th and whatever inside your own territory I will not give a passing grade!

In game adjustments -- C. Passable but still needs work.

Special Teams - F. A category not initially listed, but very important. Simply put more attention has to be paid to special teams if this team is ever going to reach elite status again. However, when dealing with a coach that believes "punt" is a 4 letter word I doubt that the level of attention necessary for significant improvement will be forthcoming.

 

[AZGrizFan]

How did Golden State beat Cleveland by 30 one night, only to get beaten by 30 two nights later? Did Cleveland get 60 points better overnight?

Tired maybe? Is that your excuse? That Semore was tired? That, in the previous two outings against the 'Cats, Gregorak had gotten a good nights sleep? That's the difference?

Seriously?

Like when you made a fool of yourself over Stitt's contract, and ended up wrong after several thousand words of name calling and chest-puffing, you are simply being an idiot.

That it the reason I looked at three dimensions of metrics over a three year period. The data generated the conclusion, not, like you, where the opinion comes first.

This is fairly typical. Look, an opinion was asked. I looked at some data for one aspect. I reported the data and offered the opinion. Take it for whatever you please, but its not always necessary for you to look for an excuse to be an asshole. You apparently don't need one.

Talk about making up arguments. Where did I ever use the word tired? And I asked a simple question...how does that make me an asshole, asshole? As soon as you're so much as questioned about your logic you go straight to personal attacks quicker than Atlanta Griz does. Congratulations, fuckhead.

And aren't you the brainiac, trying to look smart with your "I looked at three dimensions of metrics over a three year period" BS. Except you fail to realize one simple thing: The two games involved different players, different schemes, different talent levels, different strengths, different weaknesses, different coaches, different locations, different weather, different game flow, etc., etc., etc. Comparing how Ty's defense did against MSU in 2014 vs Ty's defense (with Semore allegedly pulling the strings) in 2015 is comical.

How about just look at the two NDSU games? Ty's defense gave up 35 points to NDSU--AT HOME. And despite constantly being put into a hole, Semore's defense gave up just 17--in NoDak, including just 3 points in the 2nd half. Ty's defense gave up 425+ yards at home. Semore's gave up 316 yards to NDSU--in THEIR house.

You were allegedly a coach once, right? I mean, you DO realize, don't you, that coaches and teams play and scheme differently as the game goes on and a big lead develops, vs playing from behind? THAT'S how Golden State beats Cleveland by 30 one night and loses by 25 the next. Sometimes things work and sometimes they don't. It really is as simple as that, and that's the only point I was trying to make. Basing ANY argument about DC capabilities on just the final score is really just stupid.

 

[UMGriz75]

Talk about making up arguments. Where did I ever use the word tired?

I used the word "Tired," Brainiac.

Thanks for the two hundred word diatribe. I looked at some data, all that was relevant. The data offered some observations. None of it was directed at you, although you love to make yourself the focus of these things for some reason.

As for your usual penchant to turn "observations" you disagree with into overblown and ego-stuffed explosions of invective, you soiled yourself all over when Stitt was casually refereed to as a "$300,000" coach, and after 40 or more posts of name-calling and tantrum throwing, you had to finally -- finally! -- shut up about it. :roll:

It is the direction you always seem to need to go.

I can offer alternative directions about where to go ....

 

[BWahlberg]

Since it is inter-season, and this site is devoid of football talk, except for a few provocative posts by me and a couple of others, I thought it might be fun to see how the egriz fan base graded Bubble Screen Bob's first season as head coach. Yeah, yeah, I understand that his starting QB only played in half the games, but the Griz during the glory years had many times when the starting QB went down, but we never missed a beat. Wentz missed several games last season at NDSU, and the scoring margins never changed.

Here are my grades from his first year as head coach:

1) recruiting A
2) offensive strategy C
3) defensive strategy "does he have one?"
4) game time decisions D-
5) game time adjustments D

Interesting to read your grades. Can't wait to see Wally's!

It's oddly creepy that every post you make you go check my last login to see if I had been on to see it. You may need to seek some counseling for that, if you're that obsessed with my response. I was too busy this weekend enjoying time with my family than responding to this rather meaningless poll which mostly cannot be assessed considering that Stitt is just starting his 2nd season, we've only seen a few of his recruits on the field, and he has a new DC this season.

Recruiting: B+ probably could be an A, this season will really show how well they recruit at certain positions b/c we're leaning on almost all Stitt recruits on defense and at WR. If the season goes well with his guys now taking the helm, bump it to an A. If the season doesn't go well then downgrade it.

Offensive Strategy: B, Stitt implemented a new offense and then lost 2 QBs while trying to get it going. We saw what the offense can do when it's firing, the first NDSU game and the run from EWU, MSU, and the first half of SDSU. With a veteran O-line and a stable of good to great QBs this year should better show that this strategy is a good one.

Defensive Strategy: B+, having seen an extensive demonstration from Jason Semore on how his defense runs and also having confirmed that Semore's influence and design started after the PSU loss I think we've got a good defensive strategy. It's not a traditional strategy and it'll piss the constant whiners off (like you) but I believe we're in good shape on it. With the youth of this defense we might not see it's full potential until halfway through the season or maybe even into 2017, we'll have to see how our young defenders adapt.

Game time decisions: C+, we brought him in and fans loved his risk taking, then freaked because it doesn't always work, then freaked again when he adjusted back on 4th down and RZ attempts when the offense stalled as our QBs started dropping. However, look at games when he's got the right signal caller in Gustafson 4 good games and 2 bad ones. The 2 bad ones we saw Gus throw a combined number of 7 interceptions. Is that a game time decision error by Stitt? That's too simple to place blame totally on him. You've got execution errors on the field as well. Also I didn't hear anyone complaining about his decision making against NDSU the first week or when we smashed EWU and MSU.

Adjustments: C, In our 8 wins there was ISU and SDSU where half time and in-game adjustments didn't go as they should. In our 5 losses two we were summarily trounced, NDSU and PSU. The Liberty loss the Griz were coming back and had momentum until a Counts goal-line fumble. CPSLO we took the lead late and took a gamble on a 4th and 1 but decided not to use a RB but an LB instead and Poly was able to get the ball back and win it. So 7 of 12 games with good to serviceable management and adjustments to the scenario, 2 where the adjustments didn't work but didn't cost us the game, 2 where nothing was going our way, and 1 that's a toss-up on a gamble call. Not sure how this could even be graded out.

 

[Fat Bruno]

You've got to love the opportunities this site provides to observe some really rampant pathologies. Atlanta is the single neediest puppy I believe I've ever observed. Alpha is an attention seeking punk with some severe compensation problems, but the most interesting of all to us mini-Freuds all over the tangled world is UM 75 ... seldom do you see a more irrational soul armor himself so assiduously with pretensions of rationality.

 

[Fat Bruno]

And then there's Wahlberg ... just too goddamn sane for his own good. The world is not a nurturing place for sanity ... what is his secret for having survived and apparently flourished for as long as he has in a hostile environment?

 

[SaskGriz]

Since it is inter-season, and this site is devoid of football talk, except for a few provocative posts by me and a couple of others, I thought it might be fun to see how the egriz fan base graded Bubble Screen Bob's first season as head coach. Yeah, yeah, I understand that his starting QB only played in half the games, but the Griz during the glory years had many times when the starting QB went down, but we never missed a beat. Wentz missed several games last season at NDSU, and the scoring margins never changed.

Here are my grades from his first year as head coach:

1) recruiting A
2) offensive strategy C
3) defensive strategy "does he have one?"
4) game time decisions D-
5) game time adjustments D

Interesting to read your grades. Can't wait to see Wally's!

It's oddly creepy that every post you make you go check my last login to see if I had been on to see it. You may need to seek some counseling for that, if you're that obsessed with my response. I was too busy this weekend enjoying time with my family than responding to this rather meaningless poll which mostly cannot be assessed considering that Stitt is just starting his 2nd season, we've only seen a few of his recruits on the field, and he has a new DC this season.

Recruiting: B+ probably could be an A, this season will really show how well they recruit at certain positions b/c we're leaning on almost all Stitt recruits on defense and at WR. If the season goes well with his guys now taking the helm, bump it to an A. If the season doesn't go well then downgrade it.

Offensive Strategy: B, Stitt implemented a new offense and then lost 2 QBs while trying to get it going. We saw what the offense can do when it's firing, the first NDSU game and the run from EWU, MSU, and the first half of SDSU. With a veteran O-line and a stable of good to great QBs this year should better show that this strategy is a good one.

Defensive Strategy: B+, having seen an extensive demonstration from Jason Semore on how his defense runs and also having confirmed that Semore's influence and design started after the PSU loss I think we've got a good defensive strategy. It's not a traditional strategy and it'll piss the constant whiners off (like you) but I believe we're in good shape on it. With the youth of this defense we might not see it's full potential until halfway through the season or maybe even into 2017, we'll have to see how our young defenders adapt.

Game time decisions: C+, we brought him in and fans loved his risk taking, then freaked because it doesn't always work, then freaked again when he adjusted back on 4th down and RZ attempts when the offense stalled as our QBs started dropping. However, look at games when he's got the right signal caller in Gustafson 4 good games and 2 bad ones. The 2 bad ones we saw Gus throw a combined number of 7 interceptions. Is that a game time decision error by Stitt? That's too simple to place blame totally on him. You've got execution errors on the field as well. Also I didn't hear anyone complaining about his decision making against NDSU the first week or when we smashed EWU and MSU.

Adjustments: C, In our 8 wins there was ISU and SDSU where half time and in-game adjustments didn't go as they should. In our 5 losses two we were summarily trounced, NDSU and PSU. The Liberty loss the Griz were coming back and had momentum until a Counts goal-line fumble. CPSLO we took the lead late and took a gamble on a 4th and 1 but decided not to use a RB but an LB instead and Poly was able to get the ball back and win it. So 7 of 12 games with good to serviceable management and adjustments to the scenario, 2 where the adjustments didn't work but didn't cost us the game, 2 where nothing was going our way, and 1 that's a toss-up on a gamble call. Not sure how this could even be graded out.

And through the quagmire of bile and bitterness comes the voice of reason. It's almost like Brint understands that winning football games is really difficult mostly because the other team is trying to win too. We have the honour and pleasure of being fans of an amazing program that has brought us so much success we have become spoiled. Some of you will call this kool-aide drinking and maroon glasses crap but at the end of the day nothing Brint says is apologist it's just a clear view. Plus the dude spends time with his family on weekends so he's shaming most of us there as well.

 

[BWahlberg]

And then there's Wahlberg ... just too goddamn sane for his own good. The world is not a nurturing place for sanity ... what is his secret for having survived and apparently flourished for as long as he has in a hostile environment?

Whiskey, and lots of it

 

[IdaGriz01]

And then there's Wahlberg ... just too goddamn sane for his own good. The world is not a nurturing place for sanity ... what is his secret for having survived and apparently flourished for as long as he has in a hostile environment?

Whiskey, and lots of it

Good whiskey, one hopes. Life is too short to imbibe crappy liquor.

I'm partial to Jameson's Irish whiskey myself. arty:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Talk about making up arguments. Where did I ever use the word tired?

I used the word "Tired," Brainiac.

Thanks for the two hundred word diatribe. I looked at some data, all that was relevant. The data offered some observations. None of it was directed at you, although you love to make yourself the focus of these things for some reason.

As for your usual penchant to turn "observations" you disagree with into overblown and ego-stuffed explosions of invective, you soiled yourself all over when Stitt was casually refereed to as a "$300,000" coach, and after 40 or more posts of name-calling and tantrum throwing, you had to finally -- finally! -- shut up about it. :roll:

It is the direction you always seem to need to go.

I can offer alternative directions about where to go ....

Yes, you used the word tired. Nice red herring. And as far as "two hundred word diatribes", coming from you that is really, really rich.

And apparently I gave you too much credit. You really DON'T understand.

And speaking of tantrum throwing, you really need to let that $300k coach thing go. Or seek counseling. Something.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Since it is inter-season, and this site is devoid of football talk, except for a few provocative posts by me and a couple of others, I thought it might be fun to see how the egriz fan base graded Bubble Screen Bob's first season as head coach. Yeah, yeah, I understand that his starting QB only played in half the games, but the Griz during the glory years had many times when the starting QB went down, but we never missed a beat. Wentz missed several games last season at NDSU, and the scoring margins never changed.

Here are my grades from his first year as head coach:

1) recruiting A
2) offensive strategy C
3) defensive strategy "does he have one?"
4) game time decisions D-
5) game time adjustments D

Interesting to read your grades. Can't wait to see Wally's!

It's oddly creepy that every post you make you go check my last login to see if I had been on to see it. You may need to seek some counseling for that, if you're that obsessed with my response. I was too busy this weekend enjoying time with my family than responding to this rather meaningless poll which mostly cannot be assessed considering that Stitt is just starting his 2nd season, we've only seen a few of his recruits on the field, and he has a new DC this season.

Recruiting: B+ probably could be an A, this season will really show how well they recruit at certain positions b/c we're leaning on almost all Stitt recruits on defense and at WR. If the season goes well with his guys now taking the helm, bump it to an A. If the season doesn't go well then downgrade it.

Offensive Strategy: B, Stitt implemented a new offense and then lost 2 QBs while trying to get it going. We saw what the offense can do when it's firing, the first NDSU game and the run from EWU, MSU, and the first half of SDSU. With a veteran O-line and a stable of good to great QBs this year should better show that this strategy is a good one.

Defensive Strategy: B+, having seen an extensive demonstration from Jason Semore on how his defense runs and also having confirmed that Semore's influence and design started after the PSU loss I think we've got a good defensive strategy. It's not a traditional strategy and it'll piss the constant whiners off (like you) but I believe we're in good shape on it. With the youth of this defense we might not see it's full potential until halfway through the season or maybe even into 2017, we'll have to see how our young defenders adapt.

Game time decisions: C+, we brought him in and fans loved his risk taking, then freaked because it doesn't always work, then freaked again when he adjusted back on 4th down and RZ attempts when the offense stalled as our QBs started dropping. However, look at games when he's got the right signal caller in Gustafson 4 good games and 2 bad ones. The 2 bad ones we saw Gus throw a combined number of 7 interceptions. Is that a game time decision error by Stitt? That's too simple to place blame totally on him. You've got execution errors on the field as well. Also I didn't hear anyone complaining about his decision making against NDSU the first week or when we smashed EWU and MSU.

Adjustments: C, In our 8 wins there was ISU and SDSU where half time and in-game adjustments didn't go as they should. In our 5 losses two we were summarily trounced, NDSU and PSU. The Liberty loss the Griz were coming back and had momentum until a Counts goal-line fumble. CPSLO we took the lead late and took a gamble on a 4th and 1 but decided not to use a RB but an LB instead and Poly was able to get the ball back and win it. So 7 of 12 games with good to serviceable management and adjustments to the scenario, 2 where the adjustments didn't work but didn't cost us the game, 2 where nothing was going our way, and 1 that's a toss-up on a gamble call. Not sure how this could even be graded out.

And through the quagmire of bile and bitterness comes the voice of reason. It's almost like Brint understands that winning football games is really difficult mostly because the other team is trying to win too. We have the honour and pleasure of being fans of an amazing program that has brought us so much success we have become spoiled. Some of you will call this kool-aide drinking and maroon glasses crap but at the end of the day nothing Brint says is apologist it's just a clear view. Plus the dude spends time with his family on weekends so he's shaming most of us there as well.

You got your knee pads on? Brint's ready for you

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

It's fine to argue the "vital" importance of offense vs defense, pass vs run ... and so on. But to read this thread, and many, many others, you'd think the Griz had a disastrous season.

Which his just plain silly. Among all FCS teams, the 8-5 Griz were #40 in winning percentage, including a win in the playoffs. (Yes, they got thumped in the second playoff game, but that was by the eventual NC.) So with a brand new coach with players unsuited to his scheme etc. etc. ... the Griz finished better that two-thirds of all FCS teams.

And its worth looking at the teams who finished above the Griz for that NCAA stat. Some were clearly powerful teams, including NDSU. But is there anyone who honestly thinks the Griz would not have beaten the likes of Dayton, Grambling State, San Diego, Duquesne, Alcorn State, or Morehead State? They all have better W-L percentages than the Griz, but the Gridiron Power Index (or whatever you call it) says UM would crush them.

When you bump the teams that the Griz could have most likely have beaten last year, Montana stands at about #20 in the most basic -- and the only one that really counts, in the end -- statistic, the W-L record. Nothing to get too cocky about, but better than over one hundred FCS teams who would have liked to aspire that high.

I love stats as much as anyone (and surely more than many on here), but to trot out narrowly-focused numbers to tear down the Griz accomplishments during the last season -- and predict a dire future -- misses the point. The point is, the staff and team are preparing for a new season and -- with so much turnover in personnel and other changes -- last season is probably a poor to totally-useless guide to how next year will play out.

And there you have it, folks! Yet another participation trophy fan!

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I believe there is some merit to what Atlanta griz1 is saying in that, I thought stitt needed at least two groups of 4 wide outs to stay fresh etc...that is not what we saw last year....mostly played with the starters and a couple others very short time spans.....

Bingo! You went deep on Wally's World.

 

[BWahlberg]

And then there's Wahlberg ... just too goddamn sane for his own good. The world is not a nurturing place for sanity ... what is his secret for having survived and apparently flourished for as long as he has in a hostile environment?

Whiskey, and lots of it

Good whiskey, one hopes. Life is too short to imbibe crappy liquor.

I'm partial to Jameson's Irish whiskey myself. arty:

I'm on a rye kick myself, 1910 & Tullamore Dew.

 

[krammer]

I believe there is some merit to what Atlanta griz1 is saying in that, I thought stitt needed at least two groups of 4 wide outs to stay fresh etc...that is not what we saw last year....mostly played with the starters and a couple others very short time spans.....

Bingo! You went deep on Wally's World.

my statement above was just an observation that I thought was true imo....and then I don't know what happened to the thread.....