Dog Days Poll

[UMGriz75]

The most important statistics are W's and L's. We were 4-4 through the PSU game after which we were 4-1. TG did a fine job at UM, but his refusal to recognize who was HC did not help the team last year. After PSU, Stitt had had enough. UM and MSU are both likely to benefit from his move.

Well, without tangible evidence, that is wishful thinking. And there is no tangible evidence that Semore did a better job than Gregorak, and tangible evidence that he did more poorly.

And yes, "wishful thinking" is a fan thing. See "Wombat Nation."

On the other hand, trends are important. Griz defense was going in the right direction the past three years, and was promising to improve substantially on those records up until Gregorak got replaced. And those are facts. And then that was gone.

With Semore, we have no trend to look at, just this year's results. And, objectively, there is no way to characterize those as positive compared to Gregorak's unless, like HH, you prefer goat entrails instead of actual results.

Semore's handicap: it wasn't his line. It's an excuse, and a good one, and it can explain poorer results, but it doesn't offer the ability to predict better results. But, you hope. Only time will tell.

C-.

 

[SoldierGriz]

The most important statistics are W's and L's. We were 4-4 through the PSU game after which we were 4-1. TG did a fine job at UM, but his refusal to recognize who was HC did not help the team last year. After PSU, Stitt had had enough. UM and MSU are both likely to benefit from his move.

Well, without tangible evidence, that is wishful thinking. And there is no tangible evidence that Semore did a better job than Gregorak, and tangible evidence that he did more poorly.

And yes, "wishful thinking" is a fan thing. See "Wombat Nation."

On the other hand, trends are important. Griz defense was going in the right direction the past three years, and was promising to improve substantially on those records up until Gregorak got replaced. And those are facts. And then that was gone.

With Semore, we have no trend to look at, just this year's results. And, objectively, there is no way to characterize those as positive compared to Gregorak's unless, like HH, you prefer goat entrails instead of actual results.

Semore's handicap: it wasn't his line. It's an excuse, and a good one, and it can explain poorer results, but it doesn't offer the ability to predict better results. But, you hope. Only time will tell.

C-.

I gave a C+, so agree with much of what 75 says. I'm also not convinced the Griz D performed better with Semore's increasing influence relative to TG's. But, I don't know how much influence he actually gained. I do account for the human dimension of TG's continued presence despite his "demotion." It must have been tough for all involved. It is now clean - and all Semore. We'll see.

 

[wbtfg]

Heard gregorak was offered DC position at Hawaii 3 days after accepting MSU offer. We are lucky to have him. Legi was/is a great defensive coach as well.


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[SoldierGriz]

1) recruiting A. Arguably the best class in the FCS coming in. Stitt's first year-long recruiting effort.
2) offensive strategy B. Running game must improve in addition to consistency at QB and RZ efficiency. Better this year.
3) defensive strategy C+. Shedding TG is a positive. New adaptive schemes, Semore...we'll see.
4) game time decisions B-. I think we'll get a better sense of his instincts this season.
5) game time adjustments C-. Staff must improve here. Too many fits and starts, and playing not to lose in some cases. Have to learn to bury teams.

Overall---I give him B. Not bad for his first year IMO.

Program overall....A-... given the superb facility upgrades ongoing and planned. Trajectory is good.

Certainly the biggest, in the history of college football. And with 60 brand new players there damn well better be some good ones in there.

There are.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Heard gregorak was offered DC position at Hawaii 3 days after accepting MSU offer. We are lucky to have him. Legi was/is a great defensive coach as well.


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Hadn't heard this. What's your source?

 

[wbtfg]

Heard gregorak was offered DC position at Hawaii 3 days after accepting MSU offer. We are lucky to have him. Legi was/is a great defensive coach as well.


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Hadn't heard this. What's your source?

Multiple people at the bobcat golf scramble in Helena last week.


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[SoldierGriz]

Heard gregorak was offered DC position at Hawaii 3 days after accepting MSU offer. We are lucky to have him. Legi was/is a great defensive coach as well.


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Hadn't heard this. What's your source?

Multiple people at the bobcat golf scramble in Helena last week.


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:lol:

 

[kemajic]

The most important statistics are W's and L's. We were 4-4 through the PSU game after which we were 4-1. TG did a fine job at UM, but his refusal to recognize who was HC did not help the team last year. After PSU, Stitt had had enough.

Enough of what? The losses prior to PSU were all Stitt's. PSU represented a flawed passing strategy in the pouring rain. After PSU, we met an EWU in complete meltdown, Stitt's strategy nearly lost the ISU game in which the DEFENSE went dry against an energized ISU -- there was a disturbing game in terms of "what are we doing and where are we going?" The offense changed in the second half because Stitt didn't like the running game that was being so successful. Changed it to what Kramer had prepared for in the first place. And then "went conservative" to preserve the lead. Griz offense imploded.

Then when ISU's offense opened up, the Grizzly defense couldn't adjust. And couldn't adjust again against MSU, and may as well not have shown up at NDSU.

C-.

You saw a different PSU game than I. Our defense had no answer to the their running game; they ran all over us. 339 yards, 6.5 yard ave. They totally embarrassed the Griz defense. I think Stitt had enough of THAT.

You're blaming the NDSU blowout on the Griz defense? The Griz defense in the last NDSU game was continually abused by Gustafson's horrible performance. You're putting his pick 6's on the hands of the defense? No mention of that in your "statistics" diatribe. The defense actually held NDSU better that they did in the first win.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Heard gregorak was offered DC position at Hawaii 3 days after accepting MSU offer. We are lucky to have him. Legi was/is a great defensive coach as well.


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Hadn't heard this. What's your source?

Multiple people at the bobcat golf scramble in Helena last week.


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Haha! Very well played!

 

[Fat Bruno]

Good grades, generally speaking. I fail to grasp the hand wringing re. the running game. Pussnaly I like our running backs, especially Nguyen, though he’s not the kind of guy who has the build to get properly and suitably fat as he ages. As is understood, of course, the problem has been more with the line and the line recruiting and development looks good. It just takes time to develop that … no magic back recruit would solve the problem.

As for game time decisions, the problem is the classic one. There are often no right decisions … there are only best gambles, and you make the gamble you think has the best chance. Even a great gamble with the odds in your favor is going to fail a given no. of times. That it fails, is not evidence that it was the wrong gamble … only evidence that if the odds are 2 to 1, it’s still going to fail once out of every three times over the long haul. Generally, I like Stitt’s gambles … had a couple crap outs but they coulda gone the other way … then, he’s the genius.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

The most important statistics are W's and L's. We were 4-4 through the PSU game after which we were 4-1. TG did a fine job at UM, but his refusal to recognize who was HC did not help the team last year. After PSU, Stitt had had enough.

Enough of what? The losses prior to PSU were all Stitt's. PSU represented a flawed passing strategy in the pouring rain. After PSU, we met an EWU in complete meltdown, Stitt's strategy nearly lost the ISU game in which the DEFENSE went dry against an energized ISU -- there was a disturbing game in terms of "what are we doing and where are we going?" The offense changed in the second half because Stitt didn't like the running game that was being so successful. Changed it to what Kramer had prepared for in the first place. And then "went conservative" to preserve the lead. Griz offense imploded.

Then when ISU's offense opened up, the Grizzly defense couldn't adjust. And couldn't adjust again against MSU, and may as well not have shown up at NDSU.

C-.

You saw a different PSU game than I. Our defense had no answer to the their running game; they ran all over us. 339 yards, 6.5 yard ave. They totally embarrassed the Griz defense. I think Stitt had enough of THAT.

Good call, we could not stop them from running it down our throats. Conversely, when our offense, having no running game, having no tight ends, having no FB to lead block, was exposed for what it is, we folded up our tent and went home. I have written about this before. When a team plays in the Northwest, where weather can always be an issue, and it basically is only a passing team, you can expect a repeat of what you saw against PSU last season.

This why I don't like Stitt's offense. Why can't he install some different packages using a two-back set, using a tight end. Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have a FB or TE on the squad. He prefers to recruit 20 WRs and let 14 of them warm the bench.

 

[krammer]

I believe there is some merit to what Atlanta griz1 is saying in that, I thought stitt needed at least two groups of 4 wide outs to stay fresh etc...that is not what we saw last year....mostly played with the starters and a couple others very short time spans.....

 

[UMGriz75]

You saw a different PSU game than I.

No, I saw a PSU game that gave up 35 points in the pouring rain; against an MSU game that gave up 35 points on a perfect day.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You saw a different PSU game than I.

No, I saw a PSU game that gave up 35 points in the pouring rain; against an MSU game that gave up 35 points on a perfect day.

Again, comparing "scores" is pretty stupid. Two COMPLETELlY different games.

 

[IdaGriz01]

It's fine to argue the "vital" importance of offense vs defense, pass vs run ... and so on. But to read this thread, and many, many others, you'd think the Griz had a disastrous season.

Which his just plain silly. Among all FCS teams, the 8-5 Griz were #40 in winning percentage, including a win in the playoffs. (Yes, they got thumped in the second playoff game, but that was by the eventual NC.) So with a brand new coach with players unsuited to his scheme etc. etc. ... the Griz finished better that two-thirds of all FCS teams.

And its worth looking at the teams who finished above the Griz for that NCAA stat. Some were clearly powerful teams, including NDSU. But is there anyone who honestly thinks the Griz would not have beaten the likes of Dayton, Grambling State, San Diego, Duquesne, Alcorn State, or Morehead State? They all have better W-L percentages than the Griz, but the Gridiron Power Index (or whatever you call it) says UM would crush them.

When you bump the teams that the Griz could have most likely have beaten last year, Montana stands at about #20 in the most basic -- and the only one that really counts, in the end -- statistic, the W-L record. Nothing to get too cocky about, but better than over one hundred FCS teams who would have liked to aspire that high.

I love stats as much as anyone (and surely more than many on here), but to trot out narrowly-focused numbers to tear down the Griz accomplishments during the last season -- and predict a dire future -- misses the point. The point is, the staff and team are preparing for a new season and -- with so much turnover in personnel and other changes -- last season is probably a poor to totally-useless guide to how next year will play out.

 

[grizindabox]

You saw a different PSU game than I.

No, I saw a PSU game that gave up 35 points in the pouring rain; against an MSU game that gave up 35 points on a perfect day.

Again, comparing "scores" is pretty stupid. Two COMPLETELlY different games.

AZ...you are so wrong....UM and MSU were identical teams this past season down to what they ate for pregame dinner....which makes all comparisons on par.....not a single variable..... :thumb:

 

[UMGriz75]

You saw a different PSU game than I.

No, I saw a PSU game that gave up 35 points in the pouring rain; against an MSU game that gave up 35 points on a perfect day.

Again, comparing "scores" is pretty stupid. Two COMPLETELlY different games.

Just as Gregorak-coached defenses did not, in two games, lose by as much to NDSU as Semore in one.

And the game that MSU only scored 7 against the UM defense was also a COMPLETELY different game, as was the previous year, MSU scoring just 14. THERE'S JUST NO COMPARISON. HELL, WE'VE NEVER REALLY BEATEN ANYONE, right? Or really lost any games either! THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT GAMES! You can't compare teams, games, seasons, players, coaches. Right?

With 35 points in 2015, MSU got just THAT much better against a Semore-coached defense, right? Practically scoring their season average. Good for Semore for giving them that chance.

But, it was a different game!

Something is pretty stupid, that's for sure.

C-.

 

[brewskis]

I believe there is some merit to what Atlanta griz1 is saying in that, I thought stitt needed at least two groups of 4 wide outs to stay fresh etc...that is not what we saw last year....mostly played with the starters and a couple others very short time spans.....

That's what we will see this year. We just had absolutely shit depth at WR. This year will be better, we will be able to rotate 8 and actually be able to wear down the defenses secondary.

 

[kemajic]

You saw a different PSU game than I.

No, I saw a PSU game that gave up 35 points in the pouring rain; against an MSU game that gave up 35 points on a perfect day.

Again, comparing "scores" is pretty stupid. Two COMPLETELlY different games.

Just as Gregorak-coached defenses did not, in two games, lose by as much to NDSU as Semore in one.

And the game that MSU only scored 7 against the UM defense was also a COMPLETELY different game, as was the previous year, MSU scoring just 14. THERE'S JUST NO COMPARISON. HELL, WE'VE NEVER REALLY BEATEN ANYONE, right? Or really lost any games either! THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT GAMES! You can't compare teams, games, seasons, players, coaches. Right?

With 35 points in 2015, MSU got just THAT much better against a Semore-coached defense, right? Practically scoring their season average. Good for Semore for giving them that chance.

But, it was a different game!

Something is pretty stupid, that's for sure.

C-.

This just in; your points argument is lame and convincing no one. The only thing obvious is your agenda.

 

[UMGriz75]

This just in; your points argument is lame and convincing no one. The only thing obvious is your agenda.

Ah yes, the agenda!

i offered an opinion on just one of several categories. I did the research, and offered a basis for the opinion. The rest of the "agenda" is all yours.