Does the defensive philosophy need to fit the offensive philosophy?

[PapaBear56]

Serious question for the football minds on egriz: does a teams defensive philosophy need to fit the offensive philosophy? If you want to be a ground and pound team on O do you want to be a bend but don't break D? If you have an up tempo attacking O do you want an attacking style of D? My opinion is that your D must fit with your O. Perhaps this is why Seamore's D is seemingly better than last year.

 

[brewskis]

I think this is a topic that could be over-thought.

I think that the key for our team and defense is to stop the run. With an up-tempo offense, we don't want to see other teams eat the clock with long drives. That and force field goals, not TDs....which is what killed us against cal Poly.

But then again, think of it this way......is there any offense that Bamas defense wouldn't complement well?


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[PapaBear56]

Thanks brewskis. more Jimmys and Joes rather than X's and O's?

 

[Grizfan-24]

Serious question for the football minds on egriz: does a teams defensive philosophy need to fit the offensive philosophy? If you want to be a ground and pound team on O do you want to be a bend but don't break D? If you have an up tempo attacking O do you want an attacking style of D? My opinion is that your D must fit with your O. Perhaps this is why Seamore's D is seemingly better than last year.

To be honest, and there are going to be a few that are going to disagree, I don't think it matters.

Semore's short term experience as a DC doesn't give a whole lot to go on, but if you were to measure the results it has more to do with the competency of his total scheme more than it fits a style. Gregoraks issues where just as much schematic as it was attitudinal.

Semore is on the same page with Stitt, whereas Gregorak wasn't but I don't think that it resulted in outcomes that would have varied much if it were the opposite or the same.

The only issue, especially with offenses that put the defense in offense leverage situations and this did happen last year is your defense has to know and accept (whether they like it or not) at being put in those situations. Coaches and players cannot bitch about decision making in games, because it carries over from week to week. Or if coaches disagree, they can't voice it in front of players.

 

[GRIZFAN20]

I am no expert by any means, but I don't think there is much correlation. A defense's goal is always to eliminate long scoring drives by making quick stops or turnovers to give the offense a short field. I do agree it helps to have the offense & defense coaches on the same page to avoid conflict, but beyond that is probably overthinking.

 

[fanofzoo]

I think it is really brute simple.
You have the ball and I (D) want it now for me to give it to my buddy at O. The sooner the better.

 

[GrizzGriz]

I think it is really brute simple.
You have the ball and I (D) want it now for me to give it to my buddy at O. The sooner the better.

And I believe Semore has stated that is the goal of the D...get the ball back to the O. Of course that oversimplies what needs to occur to make that happen, but it is different than focusing on rushing/passing yards allowed, etc. Just get the ball back!

 

[BWahlberg]

I think your defense needs to match up best against the conference more than it needs to mimic the style of the offense. If you talk to Jason Semore he points this out with his design and scheme - it's adaptable to what we see most frequently but also flexible to adjust for different styles of offense they face.

Where I think you hit the issues is the "stuck in their ways" DCs that have their system and will run their system come hell or high water - regardless the offense they face. And we've seen that before when different style offenses come to town or when we face them in the playoffs.

 

[Mavman]

Serious question for the football minds on egriz: does a teams defensive philosophy need to fit the offensive philosophy? If you want to be a ground and pound team on O do you want to be a bend but don't break D? If you have an up tempo attacking O do you want an attacking style of D? My opinion is that your D must fit with your O. Perhaps this is why Seamore's D is seemingly better than last year.

To be honest, and there are going to be a few that are going to disagree, I don't think it matters.

Semore's short term experience as a DC doesn't give a whole lot to go on, but if you were to measure the results it has more to do with the competency of his total scheme more than it fits a style. Gregoraks issues where just as much schematic as it was attitudinal.

Semore is on the same page with Stitt, whereas Gregorak wasn't but I don't think that it resulted in outcomes that would have varied much if it were the opposite or the same.

The only issue, especially with offenses that put the defense in offense leverage situations and this did happen last year is your defense has to know and accept (whether they like it or not) at being put in those situations. Coaches and players cannot bitch about decision making in games, because it carries over from week to week. Or if coaches disagree, they can't voice it in front of players.

I think at UNI that what 24 is saying really showed. The defense was on the field a ton in the second half and had to win the game. The offense was very conservative and inside its own twenty the whole second half. The defense didn't complain and just went to work.
Just guessing that situation would have been different with last years team.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I think your defense needs to match up best against the conference more than it needs to mimic the style of the offense. If you talk to Jason Semore he points this out with his design and scheme - it's adaptable to what we see most frequently but also flexible to adjust for different styles of offense they face.

Where I think you hit the issues is the "stuck in their ways" DCs that have their system and will run their system come hell or high water - regardless the offense they face. And we've seen that before when different style offenses come to town or when we face them in the playoffs.

Work to do here for sure: CPoly is exhibit A.

I'll chalk it up to the learning curve for Semore...hoping to see better results in the future.