Do we need an offensive Coordinator

[Ringneck]

Like BW said, we just put up over 500 yards on the #1 defense in the big sky. Offense is OK. Flat at times, head scratcher at times, but OK.
Head coach, D coach and ST coaching, are all lacking. IMO.

I didn't watch the game but thought I heard we fumbled in both red zones. One led to no points for Griz and another led to 7 points for Weber. Also a pick 6. Seems like a possible 21 point turnaround. Offense wasn't OK on those 3 plays.

The offense was not OK. It piled up its yardage after spotting Weber a 4 TD lead. The yardage was irrelevant. Started the game with 3 of the first 4 possessions resulting in 3-and-outs and the other an interception. Way to set the tone. Down 4 scores to a good team - game over. The offense was very sloppy; 3 ints, bad RZ fumble; almost as bad as STs. Can't return a KO; 31.5 ave on punts, missed PAT. The defense was put into impossible situations and was not the problem; is showing improvement. Weber had 298 yards.

So that begs the point...if the defense also gives up meaningless yards and the Griz win, do they need a new defensive scheme or coordinator?

Oooo, consistent logic for the win! :clap:

 

[kemajic]

This thread proves how little people actually know about what’s going on. You didn’t know that Selle had taken over the play calling?

You didn’t know they put up the most passing yards, most total yards, (500+), most TDS, and the longest TD of the season against the top defense in the league? And every TD was scored by a freshman or sophomore? That they’re now top 5 passing offense in the FCS?

Yes. Our offense with a freshman QB struggled with turnovers against the best defense he’s ever faced. If you think that means we should pull the plug on the rebuilding process, then shut the hell up because you’re too ignorant of the facts and are quite literally wasting all of our time.

Oh and the defense pitched a shutout in the second half after being repeatedly put in a tough spot because of turnovers and short fields in the first half. The fact that a comeback was even a possibility in the 2nd half was because of them making adjustments and not rolling over.

They also shutdown a legitimate NFL tight end after the 1st quarter. And they did it all with out Strong and then having not one but two players ejected.

They could have easily found a reason to rollover but they didn’t. They fought to the end. It’s called heart. They have it. If you’re too stupid to recognize that and show them respect, then stay the hell away from your keyboards.

It’s time to get behind this team - players and coaches. Not act like spoiled brat every time a game doesn’t turn out like you want.


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It's time for you to quit calling posters stupid or brats because they see things differently than you, who has no more or no less credential than anyone else.

No. No it’s not. EGriz has devolved into an echo chamber for people who call themselves fans, but really only care about themselves. And they don’t even bother to read the information that’s out there — like Selle being the primary play caller this season. Instead they post stupid polls five seconds after a tough loss. They never get in here and acknowledge anything positive. It’s negativity followed by more negativity. Their insight is — “The defense gave up more points than the offense scored. I hate this coach.” But with more spelling errors and bad grammar. I’m sick of it. I stayed away from this site for a long time. I started to come back when I started traveling for work again, but sadly it’s worse than it was before. It’s dominated fair weather fans. So I’ll stop calling out the ignorant fans on this board when you guys start saying such stupid things.

Must be time for another sabbatical.

 

[whitefishbear]

This thread proves how little people actually know about what’s going on. You didn’t know that Selle had taken over the play calling?

You didn’t know they put up the most passing yards, most total yards, (500+), most TDS, and the longest TD of the season against the top defense in the league? And every TD was scored by a freshman or sophomore? That they’re now top 5 passing offense in the FCS?

Yes. Our offense with a freshman QB struggled with turnovers against the best defense he’s ever faced. If you think that means we should pull the plug on the rebuilding process, then shut the hell up because you’re too ignorant of the facts and are quite literally wasting all of our time.

Oh and the defense pitched a shutout in the second half after being repeatedly put in a tough spot because of turnovers and short fields in the first half. The fact that a comeback was even a possibility in the 2nd half was because of them making adjustments and not rolling over.

They also shutdown a legitimate NFL tight end after the 1st quarter. And they did it all with out Strong and then having not one but two players ejected.

They could have easily found a reason to rollover but they didn’t. They fought to the end. It’s called heart. They have it. If you’re too stupid to recognize that and show them respect, then stay the hell away from your keyboards.

It’s time to get behind this team - players and coaches. Not act like spoiled brat every time a game doesn’t turn out like you want.


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Why do you feel the need to be an ass to make your point? I don't agree with much of your diatribe. Turnovers are part of the game. We make way too many, and it is not just in the Weber game. All that matter is win and losses. Everything else is superficial. I'll gladly trade all of those yards for a win.

 

[tnt]

Maybe I missed something, but despite the yards gained against WSU (bend not break???) it seems to me that WSU manged to force a couple of critical turnovers and prevented at least 14 points on other drives. Not so sure that makes our O look all that good...........

 

[whitefishbear]

I didn't watch the game but thought I heard we fumbled in both red zones. One led to no points for Griz and another led to 7 points for Weber. Also a pick 6. Seems like a possible 21 point turnaround. Offense wasn't OK on those 3 plays.

The offense was not OK. It piled up its yardage after spotting Weber a 4 TD lead. The yardage was irrelevant. Started the game with 3 of the first 4 possessions resulting in 3-and-outs and the other an interception. Way to set the tone. Down 4 scores to a good team - game over. The offense was very sloppy; 3 ints, bad RZ fumble; almost as bad as STs. Can't return a KO; 31.5 ave on punts, missed PAT. The defense was put into impossible situations and was not the problem; is showing improvement. Weber had 298 yards.

The Weber game was a perfect example of why measuring success by the gaining of, or lack of offensive yardage, means little to the outcome of the game. Montana significantly out-gained Weber and lost. Weber gained only 298 yards, but still scored 40+ points. This scenario seems to be a recurring one with a Stitt team.

OK. We're talking about an offensive coordinator. In your mind, do fumbles, interceptions, turnovers, penalties, etc. from the offense fall onto the coach? Or, does it fall onto player execution, focus, etc.
Just curious.

There are decent arguments both for and against the B.S. offense. I'm not completely sold on the offense but at times I do see glimmers of hope that it can consistency put points on the board. I think we are more in need of a head coach, D coach and ST coach than we are in need of a new O coordinator. Just my opinion.

Go Griz!

Ownership of turnovers and penalties is shared by both the players and the coaches. But good coaching goes a long way to preventing both. I hate to keep bring up Hauck, but Bobby would simply not tolerate fumbles, and his players got the message and rarely fumbled. But he worked on how to avoid fumbles in drills, all of the time. How to carry the ball. How to protect the ball with anticipated contact, etc. Much of a team's propensity for fumbles can be traced to the overall discipline taught to them by the coaching staff. For instance, teaching a QB to throw the ball away rather than trying to make a heroic pass into coverage, resulting in an interception. Yes, some of it comes with experience, but don't underestimate the impact that coaching has on turnovers.

To me, if a kid fumbles a KO return like #5 did versus Weber, he does not return any more footballs in that game. But Stitt allows mistakes with no consequence except a pat on the back. Not a big fan of this coaching method. A player has to respect his coach as a mentor, but with consequences, instead of a coach trying to be his buddy. I think Stitt worries more about players liking him than demanding a high level of exceution from them, with consequences if they don't. I know for a fact that many of Hauck's players did not like him..... but they respected him as a coach.... and knew that they had to execute if they wanted to play.

 

[84GRIZ]

This thread proves how little people actually know about what’s going on. You didn’t know that Selle had taken over the play calling?

You didn’t know they put up the most passing yards, most total yards, (500+), most TDS, and the longest TD of the season against the top defense in the league? And every TD was scored by a freshman or sophomore? That they’re now top 5 passing offense in the FCS?

Yes. Our offense with a freshman QB struggled with turnovers against the best defense he’s ever faced. If you think that means we should pull the plug on the rebuilding process, then shut the hell up because you’re too ignorant of the facts and are quite literally wasting all of our time.

Oh and the defense pitched a shutout in the second half after being repeatedly put in a tough spot because of turnovers and short fields in the first half. The fact that a comeback was even a possibility in the 2nd half was because of them making adjustments and not rolling over.

They also shutdown a legitimate NFL tight end after the 1st quarter. And they did it all with out Strong and then having not one but two players ejected.

They could have easily found a reason to rollover but they didn’t. They fought to the end. It’s called heart. They have it. If you’re too stupid to recognize that and show them respect, then stay the hell away from your keyboards.

It’s time to get behind this team - players and coaches. Not act like spoiled brat every time a game doesn’t turn out like you want.


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I will agree with most of what you said but the defense was just as much at fault for the Weber smack down as the offense and the special teams. The first two times Weber got the ball we stunk on defense and gave up 10 points on their first two drives. This was after we had an extra week to prepare with our bye week. You don't think the fact that the offense sees that we can't stop them puts pressure on the offense?

The third score was helped by the first targeting call (self-inflicted penalty). The 4th score was the botched kick-off. The 5th score was helped by the second targeting call (again self-inflicted penalty) but also started at the Weber 17, so they drove 83 yards for a touchdown when we really, really needed a stop. We then drive and score to get a little momentum and Weber immediately turns around and drives 43 yards for another field goal. Six possessions for Weber in the first half, six scores. One was an 8 yard drive because of the fumbled kick-off. Our defensive coordinator had two weeks to get the defense prepared for Weber and flat out screwed the pooch.

And yes, I was much happier with the way the played in the second half but it is really hard to tell if that was our play or Weber taking their foot off the gas and / or relaxing.

Stitt hooked his wagon to Semore when he decided that Gregorak was creating too much divisiveness between the offense and defense and that was his call as a head coach but it has been a disaster once everybody figured out that he was playing pure man to man all last year.

And special teams have been flat out terrible under Stitt's tenure. The only saving grace has been JLM on punt returns but even that has been down this year. At Weber we had punts of 34 yards and 24 yards to start the game and averaged 31.5 vs. Weber's average of almost 39 yards. We fumbled two kickoff returns and averaged 15 yards per return, they averaged 24 yards, plus we missed an extra-point.

So yes, we need a new defensive coordinator and a new special teams coach. I support the Griz and the players but we will never be anything but average with our defense and special teams the way they are right now and that comes down to the coaches. I mean does anyone really think we can win consistently with a defense that is ranked 104th in the nation in total yards and 100th in scoring defense out of 123 FCS teams???