Did Montana Beat North Dakota State?

[Glendivegriz]

Still think after all the national attention after NDSU Stitt read the clippings and thought all was good. Hence the decisions, that flat way the team came out in poly and liberty games. Reality hopefully has sunk in and its back to work. Speculative but would be human nature.

 

[spsyk]

When Joe Glenn had the head job, and was pressured not to have Ron Richards as his OC, instead of Glenn hiring his good friend Stitt, he elevated a position coach not far from being a grad assistant to OC, Billy Cockhill, and he make it to a NC AND WON.

And guess what he did it with the athletes his was given, not having to wait till he got what he wanted, so what is coach Stitts problem, after all he inherited a team that went two deep in the playoffs last year with a volunteer positions coach made head coach brought out of retirement.

 

[uofmman1122]

It's funny going back through spsyk's posts and reading how vehemently he defended Robin Pflugrad.

Apparently all those excuses don't apply to Stitt in a very similar (if not entirely worse) situation.

I didn't make excuses for Robin, didn't have to, I could assure you I never said wait till he gets his athletes, he did with the hand he was dealt.

Better go back and look at those post again.

The only coach that I have been critical of was Phenocie, and I think if BH had a better OC he would have go a better offer than UNLV.

I'm not going to go back and post each individual one, but there are plenty of times the board et al. decided that Pflu was making terrible decisions, should have dumped his offense for something more "Bobby-Ball-like" in 2010, should have taken JJ out and put in Kemp in 2011, and you were there (rightfully) to say that we should trust the coach. You also said that 2010 was "an injury-riddled season" as an excuse for the team's performance, but I'd argue this season has been quite a bit worse in that regard.

Pflu had a team in 2010 that had just gone to the FCS Title game, had several all-conference O-Linemen, arguably the best running back in school history, a serviceable backup QB who had tons of game experience (even though we all couldn't stand him), one of the best defenses we've had in a long time coached by a damn good defensive coordinator, and most importantly several NFL calibre players on both sides of the ball.

I think it's completely reasonable to say that if Hauck had stayed in 2010, that team may have gone back to the chipper, losing only to maybe EWU, who if you don't remember was way good that year.

Compare this year's team to that one in terms of overall talent, and it's not even close, especially in the areas that matter most.

I'm not saying you were wrong then, or that Stitt doesn't deserve any criticism, but it just seems odd that you'd turn on a guy so quickly who has a situation I'd argue that's worse than the guy you defended. We had some close games that year that barely swung our way, and this year we've had some close games that haven't. Pflu made some really head-scratching coaching decisions in 2010, but proved you right and turned it around. I don't see any evidence that says Stitt can't do that. :/

 

[grizindabox]

spsyk, do you know for a fact that Stitt did not try to do something? Maybe Germer told Stitt he had it covered? I am pretty sure that you do not know what Stitt tried to do...am I right...

you like to make a lot of assumptions about what is going to happen...I am not sure what will, but knowing it has only been 6 games, with a lack of talent at important positions...I will give him the benefit of the doubt...he is going to be here a couple more seasons...we will see how it works out

 

[spsyk]

spsyk, do you know for a fact that Stitt did not try to do something? Maybe Germer told Stitt he had it covered? I am pretty sure that you do not know what Stitt tried to do...am I right...

you like to make a lot of assumptions about what is going to happen...I am not sure what will, but knowing it has only been 6 games, with a lack of talent at important positions...I will give him the benefit of the doubt...he is going to be here a couple more seasons...we will see how it works out

Let me get this straight, Chad Germer Run Game Coordinator/ Offensive Line coach, told the head coach Bob Stitt he had it handled and that is how the deficiency of the offensive line was handled. If you want to play semantics, what if coach Germer said, I don't know what we can do.

You are right, I don't know what Germer said to Stitt or what Stitt told Germer, although, I do know that coach Stitt is the head coach, and along with that it is his responsibility to solve problems, can we agree on that?

Yes, assumptions stating opinion on a football message board, fairly novel concept wouldn't you say, discussing "I don't know what will happen," doesn't leave much for discussions, does it.

When you don't have anything to contribute other than rah rah flowery BS, about what thus far is the same what coach Stitt did for fifteen years at School of Mines that is mediocrity, with the exception he now has better athletes.

Let me ask this, and please be honest and candid, up till know has coach Stitt met you expectations, because my opinion is that with all the hype and accolades for coach Stitt he has not met mine.

I guess if I'm going to waste my time on a message board and the only dialogue is cheerleading, everything positive,etc,and not discuss what is going wrong, then it is just a waste of time.

I do all my cheerleading, at the tailgate and game time, eGriz is the place that I vent.


If you are so happy the way things are going with Griz football, why do you spend time on eGriz, do you need reassurance from your fellow cheerleaders.

 

[George Ferguson]

spysk, are you out of your mind. IN truth, every single QB on this roster was here, or was already coming. Gus, here, Simis here, Weyer here, Pflug, already verballed to Delaney, Chalich, verballed to Delaney, Prater, already enrolled as of December. His first recruiting class also inked FIVE high school OL. So what the hell are you talking about?>

 

[Glendivegriz]

Havre guess I am not seeing your point on the qbs.

 

[George Ferguson]

Spysk said that Stitt neglected other needs of the team by bringing in a TON of quarterbacks. I am merely pointing out to him that he didn't "bring in" any new quarterbacks.

 

[spsyk]

spysk, are you out of your mind. IN truth, every single QB on this roster was here, or was already coming. Gus, here, Simis here, Weyer here, Pflug, already verballed to Delaney, Chalich, verballed to Delaney, Prater, already enrolled as of December. His first recruiting class also inked FIVE high school OL. So what the hell are you talking about?>

Thru spring and fall camp, was coach Stitt aware of the deficiency of the offensive line and that it would have effect on the offensive he runs, and what did he do about it ?

Maybe a judo or two might have help, what I am reading in this forum, his offensive line is critical to his offense.

Don't you think it was imperative, for some major changes in his offensive line, and he knew this when he got the job.

The way it is going, we might need a couple more QB's before the end of the season.

 

[Glendivegriz]

Fair enough Havre. I for one am glad that Simis appears to have mobility.

 

[George Ferguson]

Spysk, they had two potential FBS dropdown O-lineman looking at UM in the winter. Both of them would have been given scholarships. They went elsewhere. Can't force a kid to come to Montana.

 

[spsyk]

Spysk, they had two potential FBS dropdown O-lineman looking at UM in the winter. Both of them would have been given scholarships. They went elsewhere. Can't force a kid to come to Montana.

Then again you can't stop looking, if two went elsewhere.

Look I don't want to ruffle anyone, I'm just stating, it was a known commondity that the offensive line was deficient, and has been for a while, and that it should have been imperative for coach Stitt to rectify it and it is worse now than when he took over. And injuries are inevitable in college football, although preparation for injuries are a necessity.

 

[uofmman1122]

You can't recruit dropdowns.

They essentially have to seek you out and say they want to come to your school.

Stitt brought in 5 linemen as recruits. He didn't get any dropdowns that wanted to come here, and he wasn't allowed by rule to go look for one. What else was he supposed to do?

 

[grizindabox]

awesome post spsyk....especially the parts where you accuse me of doing the same exact thing that you are doing....by the way, where exactly did I say "happy with the way things are going".....yeah, I didn't...

also, I said in August that this team was a 6-7 win team due to lack of talent at positions and putting a new system in...I have not agreed with all of Stitt's decisions, but I don't think 6 games is a big enough sample...as for you...pretty sure you would be on here bitchin' about Stitt even if they beat Weber by 3....because they didn't win by enough...

 

[spsyk]

You can't recruit dropdowns.

They essentially have to seek you out and say they want to come to your school.

Stitt brought in 5 linemen as recruits. He didn't get any dropdowns that wanted to come here, and he wasn't allowed by rule to go look for one. What else was he supposed to do?

None of the freshmen up to the challenge, he burnt a red shirt for a running back, who was almost a hero in his first game, and seen the field for four plays his second game.

 

[grizindabox]

You can't recruit dropdowns.

They essentially have to seek you out and say they want to come to your school.

Stitt brought in 5 linemen as recruits. He didn't get any dropdowns that wanted to come here, and he wasn't allowed by rule to go look for one. What else was he supposed to do?

None of the freshmen up to the challenge, he burnt a red shirt for a running back, who was almost a hero in his first game, and seen the field for four plays his second game.

There is so much stupidity in this post....

 

[uofmman1122]

Good lord.

Yes, let's put in our freshmen o line recruits who haven't had a college weight training and weight gain regiment.

I'm sure it'll be worth it to force them to play a year early to get the same if not worse results.

Your hatred for Stitt is bordering on absurdity at this point.

 

[spsyk]

awesome post spsyk....especially the parts where you accuse me of doing the same exact thing that you are doing....by the way, where exactly did I say "happy with the way things are going".....yeah, I didn't...

also, I said in August that this team was a 6-7 win team due to lack of talent at positions and putting a new system in...I have not agreed with all of Stitt's decisions, but I don't think 6 games is a big enough sample...as for you...pretty sure you would be on here bitchin' about Stitt even if they beat Weber by 3....because they didn't win by enough...

Never mention losing to Weber, although we did lose, and the score is insignificant, a L is a L by one point of a hundred points.

I didn't say you are happy the way things are going I said if you are happy the way things are going.

The six games that have been play is a pretty good indicator on how this season is going to go, and my expectation will start out low for next season,and hopefully as the season progresses next season I can jump on the bandwagon with you and others..

 

[grizindabox]

awesome post spsyk....especially the parts where you accuse me of doing the same exact thing that you are doing....by the way, where exactly did I say "happy with the way things are going".....yeah, I didn't...

also, I said in August that this team was a 6-7 win team due to lack of talent at positions and putting a new system in...I have not agreed with all of Stitt's decisions, but I don't think 6 games is a big enough sample...as for you...pretty sure you would be on here bitchin' about Stitt even if they beat Weber by 3....because they didn't win by enough...

Never mention losing to Weber, although we did lose, and the score is insignificant, a L is a L by one point of a hundred points.

I didn't say you are happy the way things are going I said if you are happy the way things are going.

The six games that have been play is a pretty good indicator on how this season is going to go, and my expectation will start out low for next season,and hopefully as the season progresses next season I can jump on the bandwagon with you and others..

Yeah, I never mentioned beating UNDSU either...and a win is a win whether by one or a hundred...

Yep, and it is going how I thought it would.....

 

[spsyk]

Good lord.

Yes, let's put in our freshmen o line recruits who haven't had a college weight training and weight gain regiment.

I'm sure it'll be worth it to force them to play a year early to get the same if not worse results.

Your hatred for Stitt is bordering on absurdity at this point.

Well, perhaps you are right, and perhaps coach Stitt was unprepared to remedy a deficient line.

I don't hate anyone, although I'm not fond of my ex-wife, however I don't hate her.

How can you confuse criticism,for hatred ?