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Derek Graves villified
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Don't tell the others, but I respect your opinion. Carry on.Griz Convert
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This is a kid who thought he was a ball player, has never amounted to much and certainly not gonna make a living playing this game but is too spoiled to ever want to work and so this should take care of his expenses for a couple of years. This kid hesitates and then falls. If that shove puts you on the ground, then pay back your book and schollie money because you have no right to a football scholarship. Not saying a coach shoving a player is right, but in Pocatello you get hit with winds that hit harder than that. $$$ is what he sees now and that is all he cares about.
catdaddy7
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Ok,Ok... Kramer has been punished. That's it it's done as far as ISU is concerned.
I'm not condoning abuse of any kind, but if you play "contact" sports, sometimes
things like this happen. Graves had a huge opportunity to "man up" and say; " I
was wrong to disrespect the coach". But instead he called his mommy and told
her that coach is picking on him. Mom calls scumbag lawyer ( I listened to an
audio interview with Mr. Johnnie Cochran wanabe and he is quite a peach)
The "lawyer" says I think we can make some $$$ and the rest will be history.
I'm sure they will be seeking punitive damages. I hope Edwards defends Kramer
again and sends this guy back to Alabama with his tail tucked!
I'm not condoning abuse of any kind, but if you play "contact" sports, sometimes
things like this happen. Graves had a huge opportunity to "man up" and say; " I
was wrong to disrespect the coach". But instead he called his mommy and told
her that coach is picking on him. Mom calls scumbag lawyer ( I listened to an
audio interview with Mr. Johnnie Cochran wanabe and he is quite a peach)
The "lawyer" says I think we can make some $$$ and the rest will be history.
I'm sure they will be seeking punitive damages. I hope Edwards defends Kramer
again and sends this guy back to Alabama with his tail tucked!
Didn't everyone get the memo....ISU plays flag football. The kid was totally caught off guard when someone actually hit him. Why would any kid expect football to be a contact sport. I have a spy that says ISU scrimmages all the time, but no one really knows who wins because they don't want to hurt any of the players feelings by keeping score. 
Bear Spray
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GGNez said:
Hey GG, no concession necessary. Criticizing ANY of these kids is wrong. They're kids. This one happens to be a piece of work, but he's a kid. Had the camera not been rolling, we would be jousting over something else - probably something equally trivial! Keep up the good posting GG>
Grizbacker1
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indian-outlaw said:
good post
Spanky said:
My reference to Sandusky was to make the point that abuse and misuse of authority come in many forms. If we allow Kramer to shove a kid (regardless of his reasons or the resulting injuries or lack thereof), then a black and white boundary is crossed - do we allow another coach to punch his player in the face if he is a huge a**hole? Sandusky is a disgusting example of extreme abuse and, the point, is that his abuse didn't leave a bruise, a scratch and nobody was knocked to the ground either. One of my favorite things about football is the clear boundaries - the flags and whistles. If you cross the goal line, your team earns points. If you are 1/2 inch short, they don't.
grizindabox said:Didn't everyone get the memo....ISU plays flag football. The kid was totally caught off guard when someone actually hit him. Why would any kid expect football to be a contact sport. I have a spy that says ISU scrimmages all the time, but no one really knows who wins because they don't want to hurt any of the players feelings by keeping score.
You may have missed my previous words: "I think when you choose to play football, yelling, cursing and "tough love" are part of the deal, much like military boot camp. Your drill sargeant, however, cannot push or hit you. Players should expect to be sacked, tackled, blocked and to take some hard (legal) hits on the field- but not (again) chop-blocked, face-masked or kicked in the n*ts."
In no way do I expect football to be anything BUT a contact sport, just played by the rules in all areas.
This ADULT missed his calling. With a flop like that, he should have been a punter. I don't see him making it on the field again, no matter what the circumstances. Hes a senior, will graduate in the near future. Job prospects in the dumper after this acting job, at least with any employer following BSC football. Maybe can memorize the following: "Would you like fries with that?"
tourist said:
He could have been a soccer player, what a baby.
Part of why athletic programs have problems is that players think they are higher in the food chain than the coach. Kramer has a very difficult culture to change. This kid, claiming he got neck spasms with a gentle push and roll that volleyball players do everyday without pads on, proved he is a problem and pushed (pun intended) Kramer to a spot he probably regrets. He got his punishment and it was plenty IMO. Now as to the vilification of the kid, that is happening not because he was pushed by his coach, but because how he has handled himself after....once again proving he was a punk and to a degree deserved it.
