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Defense
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mthoopsfan
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Griz didn’t have Tim Hauck designing the D and now coaching as they do now. That’s the difference. Not where the game is played. Cats haven’t shown much yet. Too easy of a schedule. Griz o-line will run over the Cats.
mthoopsfan
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Yes, and a very knowledgeable football fan. Pay attention. You will learn some things.
LMAO,I'm sure I will
mthoopsfan
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Have you ever provided anything of substance to egriz? If so, what?
griz fanatic
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It pains me to say this, but take the top 4 MVFC teams and they would roll this team right now. We are what 63rd rated scoring defense? Last team put up 263 yds rushing.
mthoopsfan
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Griz would beat ND if we played tomorrow.
Uhhh, I’d have a rating of 304.7 against that laughable schedule and I haven’t thrown a ball in 22 years.
Omg. You said this last year. Then you got beat like 99-7 in a game no where near as close as the score indicated. You bubs are a constant source of humor.
Oldschoolhornet
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I thought you would jump on the opportunity to tell us all about your ten years of playing football after you left college.
HelenaHandBasket
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He doesn't have to say a word and we can all see that you dream about him.
garizzalies
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Do the bubz have a “great defense”?
I wouldn’t know, just like how sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie. But I'll never know 'cause I wouldn’t eat the filthy motherfuckers.
What makes you say they have a “great” D?
Must be all those power house schools they shutout …er.. I mean let score on them but only sometimes?
No, no it isn't. I do not believe the interweb, but I do know NFL rules because of my past. And yes, I have seen it multiple times, usually when a LB gets caught behind a RB running a route up the sideline and he is beat. That said, nowhere is it posted that faceguarding is illegal.
SECTION 5 PASS INTERFERENCEARTICLE 1. DEFINITION. It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line. When the ball is in the air, eligible offensive and defensive receivers have the same right to the path of the ball and are subject tothe same restrictions. Acts that do not occur more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage are not pass interference but could be offensive or defensive holding (see 12-1-3 and 12-1-6).Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited actswhile the ball is in the air.Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited actswhile the ball is in the air and Article 4 for prohibited acts prior to the pass.ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are pass interference include,but are not limited to
a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;(b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;(c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;(d) Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether theplayer committing such act is playing the ball;(e) Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;(f) Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to theball arriving; or(g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.ARTICLE 3. PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are permissible by a playerinclude, but are not limited toa) Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player islooking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference;(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball;(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players,except as specified in 8-3-2 and 8-5-4 pertaining to blocking downfield by the offense;(d) Laying a hand on an opponent that does not restrict him in an attempt to make a play on the ball;(e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball; or(f) When a team presents a punt formation (3-17-7) and before the ball is kicked, acts that normally constitute pass interferenceagainst the end man on the line of scrimmage or against an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage, who is aligned orin motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line. Defensive holding and offensive pass interference rules stillapply.ARTICLE 4. OTHER PROHIBITED ACTS BY THE OFFENSE. Acts that are pass interference includea) Blocking more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage by an offensive player prior to a pass being thrown. See 8-3-1-Note for exception for an ineligible offensive player; or(b) Blocking a defender beyond the line while the pass is in the air if the block occurs in the vicinity of the player to whom thepass is thrown. See 8-3-1-Note for exception for ineligible playersmthoopsfan
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Cliff notes please. I have never seen a no-call when a d-back did it. Not saying that has never occurred, as I don't watch every game. It is silly to say that it isn't called, if in fact there is contact on virtually every longer pass thrown in the NFL. D-backs don't have some contact when they are defending those passes.No, no it isn't. I do not believe the interweb, but I do know NFL rules because of my past. And yes, I have seen it multiple times, usually when a LB gets caught behind a RB running a route up the sideline and he is beat. That said, nowhere is it posted that faceguarding is illegal.
SECTION 5 PASS INTERFERENCEARTICLE 1. DEFINITION. It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line. When the ball is in the air, eligible offensive and defensive receivers have the same right to the path of the ball and are subject tothe same restrictions. Acts that do not occur more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage are not pass interference but could be offensive or defensive holding (see 12-1-3 and 12-1-6).Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited actswhile the ball is in the air.Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited actswhile the ball is in the air and Article 4 for prohibited acts prior to the pass.ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are pass interference include,but are not limited to
Have you ever seen a d-back, or linebacker, put his hands in front of the face of an NFL receiver?
In college, if the secondary defender isn't extremely skilled, turning for the ball and perhaps trying to jump, increases the chance of contact. If a college defender has the skills or has great position and is balanced, by all means, turn.
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mthoopsfan
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While not necessarily disagreeing with you, too many people on egriz judge the defense by the worst parts of several games. In my view, one has to also take into account the best and good parts of games in order to figure out how good the D is and what its potential is. Many of the D's worst parts have been due to complete mistakes on the play. For the most part, that should be correctable. The injuries have had an impact, but I know everyone has injuries to deal with (but, again, if a good player isn't on the field, we can't see how good he is or the team would be). The D is generally improving, and certainly has from game 1. Yes, the 4th Q of the EWU was bad. But sometimes games, and shoot outs, get that way. I can't tell how good the D can get to be this year, but it has very good potential. In talking to coaches and players, my impression is that they are not overly concerned, and believe the D will get better and probably much better. Also, this team has shown the ability to win with the offense too. And we need more out of ST play.
I had to edit because I simply cannot use the friggin quote feature on my stupid new phone.
mthoopsfan
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Upon further review, I concede the NFL rule. However, I stick with the other main points. If hands go up without turning or attempting to go for ball, a penalty is almost always called. Perhaps it is because there is contact. Incidental contact is rarely “called” in that situation to keep flag in pocket. Contact in going for the ball doesn’t excuse the contact because there is no going for the ball. And, most college secondary players at our level are not skilled enough to turn for the ball and make a play on it consistently. Thanks for making me a better person.
Oldskoolgriz
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Here is my take on the defense and what has been going on. A lot of fans who are quick to judge the coaching being bad and they aren't doing this and not doing that and they need to do this. Relax!
The defense will get better. It will but it won't be at a pace some of you want, which is by next week.
A lot of you just look at the numbers and think our defense is horrible. But the numbers don't tell the whole story. Some of you compare how much better we were last year on defense than this year. You're right, we were better last year, but it's not because of the reasons you're thinking.
The reason we were better last year was because our defense had leaders in key positions on defense that grew up in this program and lived the Montana way of football.
Braxton Hill, Levi Janacarro, Nash Fouch and Alex Gubner all grew up in this program and weren't transfer implants. This is huge to have whether on offense or defense. The continuity of playing together for 5 years straight makes a vast difference. They all understood the goals and team values of doing there 1/11 and no one guy is bigger than the team.
This defensive scheme relies heavily on every single person doing there job. All it takes is one person to go off on their own and everyone suffers for it.
Now you come to this year where some key positions were filled with transfers. Whole some of them are talented, the defense as a whole isn't playing as one. A lot of these guys are learning to play alongside one another for the first time. So it's going to take a while for them to get used to each other. But I noticed in the first few weeks, guys weren't doing their assignments and then everyone pays for it. And this is normal when you have guys transferring in, some guys are going to take it upon themselves to try and make the play and want to stand out but that's not how it works in this defense.
Our defense will get better slowly but surely and they are on track. We have 7 games left and it's a good sign that we aren't playing our best football right now because we want to play our best towards the ending of the season headed into playoffs. We want to get better each week and get towards the end. A lot of teams are shooting their loads in the first half of the season and then fall off towards the end.
Our coaches are doing a great job with what they have. Some of you u guys need to just relax
The defense will get better. It will but it won't be at a pace some of you want, which is by next week.
A lot of you just look at the numbers and think our defense is horrible. But the numbers don't tell the whole story. Some of you compare how much better we were last year on defense than this year. You're right, we were better last year, but it's not because of the reasons you're thinking.
The reason we were better last year was because our defense had leaders in key positions on defense that grew up in this program and lived the Montana way of football.
Braxton Hill, Levi Janacarro, Nash Fouch and Alex Gubner all grew up in this program and weren't transfer implants. This is huge to have whether on offense or defense. The continuity of playing together for 5 years straight makes a vast difference. They all understood the goals and team values of doing there 1/11 and no one guy is bigger than the team.
This defensive scheme relies heavily on every single person doing there job. All it takes is one person to go off on their own and everyone suffers for it.
Now you come to this year where some key positions were filled with transfers. Whole some of them are talented, the defense as a whole isn't playing as one. A lot of these guys are learning to play alongside one another for the first time. So it's going to take a while for them to get used to each other. But I noticed in the first few weeks, guys weren't doing their assignments and then everyone pays for it. And this is normal when you have guys transferring in, some guys are going to take it upon themselves to try and make the play and want to stand out but that's not how it works in this defense.
Our defense will get better slowly but surely and they are on track. We have 7 games left and it's a good sign that we aren't playing our best football right now because we want to play our best towards the ending of the season headed into playoffs. We want to get better each week and get towards the end. A lot of teams are shooting their loads in the first half of the season and then fall off towards the end.
Our coaches are doing a great job with what they have. Some of you u guys need to just relax
