Defense - National Stats

[PlayerRep]

I'm just going from what the coaches said at the Thurs. morning meeting. On the NDSU coaches comment, I was told that they said there were some differences, particularly in how defenses were disguised. Think you are over-stating on the NDSU coaches thing.

Or perhaps -- and I'm just throwing this out as a discussion point -- the staff doesn't provide you, me, the QB Club or their grandmother the complete picture, for any number of rather obvious reasons.

Bingo. The staff is well aware that what they say is posted in message boards about 18 seconds after the meetings.............

Trying during the meetings... :roll:

Not true. I rarely see anything of note posted after meetings/gatherings. Certainly nothing confidential or that would be helpful to the opposition. Little or nothing on injuries.

 

[PlayerRep]

I didn't realize how emotionally attached people get to former coaches. This thread started with stats and turned into defending the honor of TG.

It is cute that you think it is only an emotional attachment.

Personally, I think its due to access. Some fans were buddy buddy with the coaches, cool, good for them if that's what makes them happy. Said coaches are no longer coaches at UM. Now those fans are no longer in the inner circle. My observation is that this coaching staff is not going to have such relationships with fans, and frankly, they probably shouldn't. The NCAA has their nose in everything these days, might be best to not allow any speculation about those relationships by not allowing them to exist.

Personally, I think you are incorrect. The ncaa has nothing to do with this.

 

[Mavman]

Now that is a game that you can not compare from last year to this year. Ewu had the wheels coming off and missing some big playmakers. This years EWU team is waaay better.

Of course, I can compare that game, and I will.

Cool. That means how he does against them this weekend is on the table.

With all due respect PlayerRep, what comparisons can be made when two teams are so completely different from one year to the next? Would you agree that the ewu team we saw last fall was in free fall and finished the season a shadow of its self? Don't they have a different OC this year or is it DC?
The Griz have a complete new lb corp and alot of new faces on D.
TG was a good DC for the griz while he was here and now Semore is doing a great job!

 

[ari gold]

I didn't realize how emotionally attached people get to former coaches. This thread started with stats and turned into defending the honor of TG.

It is cute that you think it is only an emotional attachment.

Personally, I think its due to access. Some fans were buddy buddy with the coaches, cool, good for them if that's what makes them happy. Said coaches are no longer coaches at UM. Now those fans are no longer in the inner circle. My observation is that this coaching staff is not going to have such relationships with fans, and frankly, they probably shouldn't. The NCAA has their nose in everything these days, might be best to not allow any speculation about those relationships by not allowing them to exist.

Personally, I think you are incorrect. The ncaa has nothing to do with this.

I dont think I said the NCAA is/was/or has been involved with this or any other fan/coach relationship. I was merely stating that when super fans become best buds with coaches it leaves room for people to speculate. That kind of speculation draws unwanted attention.

 

[RayWill]

Now that is a game that you can not compare from last year to this year. Ewu had the wheels coming off and missing some big playmakers. This years EWU team is waaay better.

Of course, I can compare that game, and I will.

Cool. That means how he does against them this weekend is on the table.

With all due respect PlayerRep, what comparisons can be made when two teams are so completely different from one year to the next? Would you agree that the ewu team we saw last fall was in free fall and finished the season a shadow of its self? Don't they have a different OC this year or is it DC?
The Griz have a complete new lb corp and alot of new faces on D.
TG was a good DC for the griz while he was here and now Semore is doing a great job!

AMEN. NOT EVERY POST ABOUT THE DEFENSE OR SEMORE IS A JUDGEMENT OF TG. Although TG does get some shade thrown his way just because he is in BOZEMAN. Went to any other school and it would be less so.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I didn't realize how emotionally attached people get to former coaches. This thread started with stats and turned into defending the honor of TG.

One more example of how a program is larger than the individual parts.

I see how fans are happy with the new DC and I can see how some want to protect the old coaches reputation.

I liked alot of things about TG and he is a good coach. Not to knock him, I like Semore more with this entire staff that Stitt assembled. Not based on stats, based on cohesion and recruiting. Seymore and Stitt have a closer relationship and are on the same page for recruiting. Ty became the odd man out, not because he isn't a good coach he just isn't the best fit. Many thanks to his contribution in the past and hope things go well for him in the future. He is employed and that is the key for his career.

People are always going to compare, but it doesn't matter UM has moved on. It's nice to see people being loyal to their friends, overall loyalty in these things change with the program not the individual.

No doubt Ty was hurt with his removal, get in line this happens all the time in every field. Life is not fair. It's what you make of it. Keep pressing forward. UM football is in good hands and I hope this staff stays together for a while. Stitt has been a good addition and Semore brings alot to the table these two are one the same page and from the outside look like they are building a sustainable strong program. Good luck to TG. Sorry, for the guys that were hurt by his departure and don't get too hurt by negitive comments about Ty. It's healthy to see the fans rally around the current staff.

I'm fine with your post and agree with much of it. However, it is not being "emotionally attached to former coaches". It is sticking up for friends. Don't you stick up for your friends, or are you okay with people bashing them?

Defending a friend is admirable. It's when one lets their judgement get clouded while in a football argument/debate that it becomes a problem.....

 

[PlayerRep]

I didn't realize how emotionally attached people get to former coaches. This thread started with stats and turned into defending the honor of TG.

One more example of how a program is larger than the individual parts.

I see how fans are happy with the new DC and I can see how some want to protect the old coaches reputation.

I liked alot of things about TG and he is a good coach. Not to knock him, I like Semore more with this entire staff that Stitt assembled. Not based on stats, based on cohesion and recruiting. Seymore and Stitt have a closer relationship and are on the same page for recruiting. Ty became the odd man out, not because he isn't a good coach he just isn't the best fit. Many thanks to his contribution in the past and hope things go well for him in the future. He is employed and that is the key for his career.

People are always going to compare, but it doesn't matter UM has moved on. It's nice to see people being loyal to their friends, overall loyalty in these things change with the program not the individual.

No doubt Ty was hurt with his removal, get in line this happens all the time in every field. Life is not fair. It's what you make of it. Keep pressing forward. UM football is in good hands and I hope this staff stays together for a while. Stitt has been a good addition and Semore brings alot to the table these two are one the same page and from the outside look like they are building a sustainable strong program. Good luck to TG. Sorry, for the guys that were hurt by his departure and don't get too hurt by negitive comments about Ty. It's healthy to see the fans rally around the current staff.

I'm fine with your post and agree with much of it. However, it is not being "emotionally attached to former coaches". It is sticking up for friends. Don't you stick up for your friends, or are you okay with people bashing them?

Defending a friend is admirable. It's when one lets their judgement get clouded while in a football argument/debate that it becomes a problem.....

Perhaps, but that's never been my problem. How about the problem of a poster having it in for a coach, and then jabbing or bashing the coach at every opportunity due to the bias against the coach? Sound familiar?

 

[PlayerRep]

I know that I am late to this thread but the fact is that the Griz D's stats have improved significantly in the National Ranlings. Very significantly. Sure, playing a few scrub teams may have help pad the stats this season but the Griz usually have had a few weak teams on their schedule so there is nothing new there. Under TG, the Griz never ranked above the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013 I believe. I think they were 26th that year. I am sorry but if you just look at the raw numbers it's hard to argue against a rankings improvement. I do agree that the next couple of games will give the fans more of a gage on where this D is.

Here's a great example of bias impacting judgment. CV says UM in TG as DC was never in the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013. Well, a quick shows the following, all of which was accomplished in what has been the top offensive conference in recent years and with being in the playoffs:

2013 - 40th in rushing defense, 28th in scoring defense, 48th in team sacks, 8th in turnovers gained, 15th in passes intercepted, 5th in fumbles recovered, 9th in red zone defense

2014 - 39th in total defense, 37th in rushing defense, 19th in scoring defense, 7th in team sacks, 29th in turnovers gained, 28th in passes intercepted, 28th in fumbles recovered, 36th in team tackles for loss, 32d in 4th down conversion defense, 13th in red zone defense

2015 - 40th in team passing defense, 5th in team sacks, 17th in turnovers gained, 30th in interceptions, 7th in fumbles recovered, 10th in 3d down conversion defense, 24th in red zone defense

Oops, guess CV missed a few of those top 50 categories.

 

[PlayerRep]

This is not meant to indicate that the Griz defensive stats aren't terrific or that the defense isn't playing very well. It clearly is. However, backing out the last 2 games, here is what happens to some of the stats.

Total defense, 11 to 20
Rushing defense, 33 to 55
Scoring defense, 17 to 51
Team sacks, 9 to 36
Turnovers gained, 26 to 74
Interceptions, 62 to 96
Fumbles recovered, 5 to 32
Tackles for loss, 2 to 9
3d down defense, 1 to 13
Passing yards allowed, 15 to 16
Red zone defense, 1 to 9

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I know that I am late to this thread but the fact is that the Griz D's stats have improved significantly in the National Ranlings. Very significantly. Sure, playing a few scrub teams may have help pad the stats this season but the Griz usually have had a few weak teams on their schedule so there is nothing new there. Under TG, the Griz never ranked above the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013 I believe. I think they were 26th that year. I am sorry but if you just look at the raw numbers it's hard to argue against a rankings improvement. I do agree that the next couple of games will give the fans more of a gage on where this D is.

Here's a great example of bias impacting judgment. CV says UM in TG as DC was never in the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013. Well, a quick shows the following, all of which was accomplished in what has been the top offensive conference in recent years and with being in the playoffs:

2013 - 40th in rushing defense, 28th in scoring defense, 48th in team sacks, 8th in turnovers gained, 15th in passes intercepted, 5th in fumbles recovered, 9th in red zone defense

2014 - 39th in total defense, 37th in rushing defense, 19th in scoring defense, 7th in team sacks, 29th in turnovers gained, 28th in passes intercepted, 28th in fumbles recovered, 36th in team tackles for loss, 32d in 4th down conversion defense, 13th in red zone defense

2015 - 40th in team passing defense, 5th in team sacks, 17th in turnovers gained, 30th in interceptions, 7th in fumbles recovered, 10th in 3d down conversion defense, 24th in red zone defense

Oops, guess CV missed a few of those top 50 categories.

Well I guess we now know why you went into B-Law. Your trial skills/instincts are dull. You took the bait councilor. Given your tendency to cherry pick, inflate and choose the obscure stats, one had to assume that you'd "spit shine" your best numbers.....now explain how the 2016 Griz D's results on measurables that most people care about aren't significantly better than your nonsense

Total D 14th
Passing D 15th
Run D 28th
Scoring D 17th
Yards per game 11th

I read some where that TG's teams where ranked in the top 20 vs lefty QBs in 2013. You forget that meaningless stat.....LOL

 

[PlayerRep]

I know that I am late to this thread but the fact is that the Griz D's stats have improved significantly in the National Ranlings. Very significantly. Sure, playing a few scrub teams may have help pad the stats this season but the Griz usually have had a few weak teams on their schedule so there is nothing new there. Under TG, the Griz never ranked above the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013 I believe. I think they were 26th that year. I am sorry but if you just look at the raw numbers it's hard to argue against a rankings improvement. I do agree that the next couple of games will give the fans more of a gage on where this D is.

Here's a great example of bias impacting judgment. CV says UM in TG as DC was never in the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013. Well, a quick shows the following, all of which was accomplished in what has been the top offensive conference in recent years and with being in the playoffs:

2013 - 40th in rushing defense, 28th in scoring defense, 48th in team sacks, 8th in turnovers gained, 15th in passes intercepted, 5th in fumbles recovered, 9th in red zone defense

2014 - 39th in total defense, 37th in rushing defense, 19th in scoring defense, 7th in team sacks, 29th in turnovers gained, 28th in passes intercepted, 28th in fumbles recovered, 36th in team tackles for loss, 32d in 4th down conversion defense, 13th in red zone defense

2015 - 40th in team passing defense, 5th in team sacks, 17th in turnovers gained, 30th in interceptions, 7th in fumbles recovered, 10th in 3d down conversion defense, 24th in red zone defense

Oops, guess CV missed a few of those top 50 categories.

Well I guess we now know why you went into B-Law. Your trial skills/instincts are dull. You took the bait councilor. Given your tendency to cherry pick, inflate and choose the obscure stats, one had to assume that you'd "spit shine" your best numbers.....now explain how the 2016 Griz D's results on measurables that most people care about aren't significantly better than your nonsense

Total D 14th
Passing D 15th
Run D 28th
Scoring D 17th
Yards per game 11th

I read some where that TG's teams where ranked in the top 20 vs lefty QBs in 2013. You forget that meaningless stat.....LOL

You just can't admit that you were dead wrong, and owned. I just used your language and looked. You weren't even close. You never are with TG.

Hey, look at the UM numbers this year without the last two cream puff games. I'll give you a couple here. Scoring D is 51st, not 17th, and Rush D is 55th, no 28th, without the two cream puff games. Let's see how the defense does the rest of the season. None of those rankings you posted are going to hold up. They may end up good, but not where they are right now. You have been owned.

Look at CP this year.

 

[kyle_sample]

The second time was Semore's defense and it gave up 16.

The coaches said that the UM D against NDSU the second game was the same defense as the first game, with minor adjustments. It was not Semore's defense. TG called the defenses during the game.

That's interesting because NDSU's coaches say the defense they saw in the first game of the season and the one they saw in the playoffs were not in any way similar.

I'm just going from what the coaches said at the Thurs. morning meeting. On the NDSU coaches comment, I was told that they said there were some differences, particularly in how defenses were disguised. Think you are over-stating on the NDSU coaches thing.

I had a direct conversation with them, so I don't think I am

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I know that I am late to this thread but the fact is that the Griz D's stats have improved significantly in the National Ranlings. Very significantly. Sure, playing a few scrub teams may have help pad the stats this season but the Griz usually have had a few weak teams on their schedule so there is nothing new there. Under TG, the Griz never ranked above the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013 I believe. I think they were 26th that year. I am sorry but if you just look at the raw numbers it's hard to argue against a rankings improvement. I do agree that the next couple of games will give the fans more of a gage on where this D is.

Here's a great example of bias impacting judgment. CV says UM in TG as DC was never in the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013. Well, a quick shows the following, all of which was accomplished in what has been the top offensive conference in recent years and with being in the playoffs:

2013 - 40th in rushing defense, 28th in scoring defense, 48th in team sacks, 8th in turnovers gained, 15th in passes intercepted, 5th in fumbles recovered, 9th in red zone defense

2014 - 39th in total defense, 37th in rushing defense, 19th in scoring defense, 7th in team sacks, 29th in turnovers gained, 28th in passes intercepted, 28th in fumbles recovered, 36th in team tackles for loss, 32d in 4th down conversion defense, 13th in red zone defense

2015 - 40th in team passing defense, 5th in team sacks, 17th in turnovers gained, 30th in interceptions, 7th in fumbles recovered, 10th in 3d down conversion defense, 24th in red zone defense

Oops, guess CV missed a few of those top 50 categories.

Well I guess we now know why you went into B-Law. Your trial skills/instincts are dull. You took the bait councilor. Given your tendency to cherry pick, inflate and choose the obscure stats, one had to assume that you'd "spit shine" your best numbers.....now explain how the 2016 Griz D's results on measurables that most people care about aren't significantly better than your nonsense

Total D 14th
Passing D 15th
Run D 28th
Scoring D 17th
Yards per game 11th

I read some where that TG's teams where ranked in the top 20 vs lefty QBs in 2013. You forget that meaningless stat.....LOL

You just can't admit that you were dead wrong, and owned. I just used your language and looked. You weren't even close. You never are with TG.

Hey, look at the UM numbers this year without the last two cream puff games. I'll give you a couple here. Scoring D is 51st, not 17th, and Rush D is 55th, no 28th, without the two cream puff games. Let's see how the defense does the rest of the season. None of those rankings you posted are going to hold up. They may end up good, but not where they are right now. You have been owned.

Look at CP this year.

Owned? Don't think so. You can continue to be the lone
TG supporter on this board and incessantly argue with the "troll brigade", as you call them, about the 2016 D vs TG's teams. I could care less what you do but I do love the entertainment. The Troll Brigade certainly doesn't need my help putting you in your place. Please restart the weekly Cat defensive re-caps though. I kinda miss them. War chicken Ceasar salad....I'm out.....

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's a great example of bias impacting judgment. CV says UM in TG as DC was never in the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013. Well, a quick shows the following, all of which was accomplished in what has been the top offensive conference in recent years and with being in the playoffs:

2013 - 40th in rushing defense, 28th in scoring defense, 48th in team sacks, 8th in turnovers gained, 15th in passes intercepted, 5th in fumbles recovered, 9th in red zone defense

2014 - 39th in total defense, 37th in rushing defense, 19th in scoring defense, 7th in team sacks, 29th in turnovers gained, 28th in passes intercepted, 28th in fumbles recovered, 36th in team tackles for loss, 32d in 4th down conversion defense, 13th in red zone defense

2015 - 40th in team passing defense, 5th in team sacks, 17th in turnovers gained, 30th in interceptions, 7th in fumbles recovered, 10th in 3d down conversion defense, 24th in red zone defense

Oops, guess CV missed a few of those top 50 categories.

Well I guess we now know why you went into B-Law. Your trial skills/instincts are dull. You took the bait councilor. Given your tendency to cherry pick, inflate and choose the obscure stats, one had to assume that you'd "spit shine" your best numbers.....now explain how the 2016 Griz D's results on measurables that most people care about aren't significantly better than your nonsense

Total D 14th
Passing D 15th
Run D 28th
Scoring D 17th
Yards per game 11th

I read some where that TG's teams where ranked in the top 20 vs lefty QBs in 2013. You forget that meaningless stat.....LOL

You just can't admit that you were dead wrong, and owned. I just used your language and looked. You weren't even close. You never are with TG.

Hey, look at the UM numbers this year without the last two cream puff games. I'll give you a couple here. Scoring D is 51st, not 17th, and Rush D is 55th, no 28th, without the two cream puff games. Let's see how the defense does the rest of the season. None of those rankings you posted are going to hold up. They may end up good, but not where they are right now. You have been owned.

Look at CP this year.

Owned? Don't think so. You can continue to be the lone
TG supporter on this board and incessantly argue with the "troll brigade", as you call them, about the 2016 D vs TG's teams. I could care less what you do but I do love the entertainment. The Troll Brigade certainly doesn't need my help putting you in your place. Please restart the weekly Cat defensive re-caps though. I kinda miss them. War chicken Ceasar salad....I'm out.....

I never did any Cat recaps. I haven't been comparing tg's defenses to the '16 d, other cal poly. Owned again.

 

[Bear Axed]

And where the Hell do you get off thinking it's just fine to disregard a third of the games played so far this season in order to come up with worthless stats to justify your false opinion?

 

[garizzalies]

I know that I am late to this thread but the fact is that the Griz D's stats have improved significantly in the National Ranlings. Very significantly. Sure, playing a few scrub teams may have help pad the stats this season but the Griz usually have had a few weak teams on their schedule so there is nothing new there. Under TG, the Griz never ranked above the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013 I believe. I think they were 26th that year. I am sorry but if you just look at the raw numbers it's hard to argue against a rankings improvement. I do agree that the next couple of games will give the fans more of a gage on where this D is.

Here's a great example of bias impacting judgment. CV says UM in TG as DC was never in the top 50 in any one defensive category other than scoring D in 2013. Well, a quick shows the following, all of which was accomplished in what has been the top offensive conference in recent years and with being in the playoffs:

2013 - 40th in rushing defense, 28th in scoring defense, 48th in team sacks, 8th in turnovers gained, 15th in passes intercepted, 5th in fumbles recovered, 9th in red zone defense

2014 - 39th in total defense, 37th in rushing defense, 19th in scoring defense, 7th in team sacks, 29th in turnovers gained, 28th in passes intercepted, 28th in fumbles recovered, 36th in team tackles for loss, 32d in 4th down conversion defense, 13th in red zone defense

2015 - 40th in team passing defense, 5th in team sacks, 17th in turnovers gained, 30th in interceptions, 7th in fumbles recovered, 10th in 3d down conversion defense, 24th in red zone defense

Oops, guess CV missed a few of those top 50 categories.

Well I guess we now know why you went into B-Law. Your trial skills/instincts are dull. You took the bait councilor. Given your tendency to cherry pick, inflate and choose the obscure stats, one had to assume that you'd "spit shine" your best numbers.....now explain how the 2016 Griz D's results on measurables that most people care about aren't significantly better than your nonsense

Total D 14th
Passing D 15th
Run D 28th
Scoring D 17th
Yards per game 11th

I read some where that TG's teams where ranked in the top 20 vs lefty QBs in 2013. You forget that meaningless stat.....LOL

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[PlayerRep]

And where the Hell do you get off thinking it's just fine to disregard a third of the games played so far this season in order to come up with worthless stats to justify your false opinion?

The current stats were posted. I posted the stats without the 2 recent cupcake games. I provided no opinion.

How about we bet $1,000? I say the the majority of of the current 5 rankings provided by CV will not hold up at the end of the season, i.e. that 3 or more will be below where they are now. What say you? Care to back up your post? Or, not willing to back up your view?

 

[Bear Axed]

And where the Hell do you get off thinking it's just fine to disregard a third of the games played so far this season in order to come up with worthless stats to justify your false opinion?

The current stats were posted. I posted the stats without the 2 recent cupcake games. I provided no opinion.

How about we bet $1,000? I say the the majority of of the current 5 rankings provided by CV will not hold up at the end of the season, i.e. that 3 or more will be below where they are now. What say you? Care to back up your post? Or, not willing to back up your view?

My view, like most others on here, is that Semore is better than twice the Coach Tyler could ever hope to be!

So, Keep posting your garbage posts with your garbage stats....and eventually you may even start believing yourself that we are all wrong..... :thumb:

We have 9 new starter on the D this year and they are playing better as a team right now.
than any of Tylers past D's

 

[PlayerRep]

And where the Hell do you get off thinking it's just fine to disregard a third of the games played so far this season in order to come up with worthless stats to justify your false opinion?

The current stats were posted. I posted the stats without the 2 recent cupcake games. I provided no opinion.

How about we bet $1,000? I say the the majority of of the current 5 rankings provided by CV will not hold up at the end of the season, i.e. that 3 or more will be below where they are now. What say you? Care to back up your post? Or, not willing to back up your view?

My view, like most others on here, is that Semore is better than twice the Coach Tyler could ever hope to be!

So, Keep posting your garbage posts with your garbage stats....and eventually you may even start believing yourself that we are all wrong..... :thumb:

We have 9 new starter on the D this year and they are playing better as a team right now.
than any of Tylers past D's

I take it that you are afraid to take the bet?

 

[PlayerRep]

And where the Hell do you get off thinking it's just fine to disregard a third of the games played so far this season in order to come up with worthless stats to justify your false opinion?

The current stats were posted. I posted the stats without the 2 recent cupcake games. I provided no opinion.

How about we bet $1,000? I say the the majority of of the current 5 rankings provided by CV will not hold up at the end of the season, i.e. that 3 or more will be below where they are now. What say you? Care to back up your post? Or, not willing to back up your view?

My view, like most others on here, is that Semore is better than twice the Coach Tyler could ever hope to be!

So, Keep posting your garbage posts with your garbage stats....and eventually you may even start believing yourself that we are all wrong..... :thumb:

We have 9 new starter on the D this year and they are playing better as a team right now.
than any of Tylers past D's

You are welcome to your opinion, and you may turn out to be correct. However, you should note that I have not expressed any view or engaged in discussion, at any time this fall. on which DC is better. I have said positive things on Semore this fall and I have defended TG.

I don't know why posters, like yourself, can't stick to what other posters have actually said. You seem to think that saying TG's defenses were good for his 3 years at UM, and statistically were the top conference defense over the 3-year period--and that the UM defense was better against CP last year than this year--means I think TG is a better DC than Semore. Sorry, it doesn't mean that, for the entire fall, I have not ever said that or indicated one of those DC's is better than the other.

Perhaps it is your hatred of the Cats that blinds you.

As for garbage stats, the current stats for the Griz are completely skewed by the last 2 cupcake/blow out games, and will not be maintained. Those are the "garbage" stats at this point.