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[PlayerRep]

So, what you are saying is it was a single player rather than Semores D

I guess that is why Semores D has done so much better this year,
than any of Tylers D's have done any where, at any time.......
It's not only what package is called so much as how the players execute the play even if it's a bad play called to begin with in the given situation?

Thanks for pointing that out for us!

Not sure what you are saying, but yes Semore said the UM D was not good against the CP O this year, and he took responsibility for that.

 

[Bear Axed]

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's.

Can we say that the CP offense last year was literally not half as good as this year?

Doubtful? PR wants us to assume all the players on both teams were the same guys both years

 

[kyle_sample]

Semore's defense did really well against Cal Poly. After a shaky first half that included two very short-field touchdowns, Semore's halftime adjustments limited Cal Poly, a team averaging 6 yards/carry, to 3.9 in the second half. Who knows what would have happened on the 4th-quarter drive that ended in a touchdown had it not been for Yamen Sander's cramps, but Cal Poly's second half drives went like this (plays-yards): 6-38, 3-(-11), 3-1, 8-70, 3-2, 8-75, 5-6.
Of the 145 yards on the touchdown drives, 94 came on two plays. One of those was attacking a safety who was suffering from cramps, but was forced back onto the field when another safety went down. Credit Cal Poly for recognizing that, but saying the defense didn't play well is obfuscating the facts a little bit.

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's. And the offense this year, was literally twice as good as last year's. Sander's cramps, BS. I saw the play, just like you did. Sanders made a huge mistake and let the receiver run past him. At that point of the play, Sanders didn't think the receiver was going to go deep. It had absolutely zero to do with cramps. Sanders was beat at the moment he let the receiver go by. Sanders thouht the receiver was going to do a shorter route. As I have said before, given what happened there, no NFL safety could have made up for that mistake. Please don't tell me that you are defending 8-70 and 8-75. Jeez, you were smarter when you were at that stupid paper, the Missoulian.Ha. Okay, I still love you.

I am sorry, Kyle, but cramps don't cause anyone, including a safety, to not react and let a receiver run by him. That portion of the play, the critical part, has absolutely f***[*] nothing to do with cramps. Zero. Nothing.

That's quite an epic takedown.....but trust me, I wasn't smarter then

 

[PlayerRep]

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's.

Can we say that the CP offense last year was literally not half as good as this year?

No, we can't say that. But we can say that the Griz O was twice as good this year as last year, and because the UM D was so not good this year, UM lost 42-41. What good defense gives up 42 points? Fewer turnovers by the UM O this year than last year. Better TOP this year than last year. Better 3d down conversion defense last year, than this year.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's.

Can we say that the CP offense last year was literally not half as good as this year?

No, we can't say that. But we can say that the Griz O was twice as good this year as last year, and because the UM D was so not good this year, UM lost 42-41. What good defense gives up 42 points? Fewer turnovers by the UM O this year than last year. Better TOP this year than last year. Better 3d down conversion defense last year, than this year.

I am going with the CP offense last year was literally not half as good this year. Why, for the same reason you say we can't.

 

[PlayerRep]

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's.

Can we say that the CP offense last year was literally not half as good as this year?

No, we can't say that. But we can say that the Griz O was twice as good this year as last year, and because the UM D was so not good this year, UM lost 42-41. What good defense gives up 42 points? Fewer turnovers by the UM O this year than last year. Better TOP this year than last year. Better 3d down conversion defense last year, than this year.

I am going with the CP offense last year was literally not half as good this year. Why, for the same reason you say we can't.

You could say that, but you'd be dead wrong. CP offense this year is averaging more rush yards per game, a bit fewer passing yard per game, and a few points less per game. 387 yards on ground last year per game. Pretty darn good.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Can we say that the CP offense last year was literally not half as good as this year?

No, we can't say that. But we can say that the Griz O was twice as good this year as last year, and because the UM D was so not good this year, UM lost 42-41. What good defense gives up 42 points? Fewer turnovers by the UM O this year than last year. Better TOP this year than last year. Better 3d down conversion defense last year, than this year.

I am going with the CP offense last year was literally not half as good this year. Why, for the same reason you say we can't.

You could say that, but you'd be dead wrong. CP offense this year is averaging more rush yards per game, a bit fewer passing yard per game, and a few points less per game. 387 yards on ground last year per game. Pretty darn good.

CP scored 20 last year and 42 this year. That would be literally less than half as many points.

 

[Bear Axed]

Sorry, Jack.....
You got blown out again....

Come back the day after tomorrow and try again .....

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[Ursa Major]

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's.

Can we say that the CP offense last year was literally not half as good as this year?

No, we can't say that. But we can say that the Griz O was twice as good this year as last year, and because the UM D was so not good this year, UM lost 42-41. What good defense gives up 42 points? Fewer turnovers by the UM O this year than last year. Better TOP this year than last year. Better 3d down conversion defense last year, than this year.

I am going with the CP offense last year was literally not half as good this year. Why, for the same reason you say we can't.

I'm not so sure of that. I'm saying that CP offense last year was literally 7/16 as good as this year.

 

[garizzalies]

So, what you are saying is it was a single player rather than Semores D

I guess that is why Semores D has done so much better this year,
than any of Tylers D's have done any where, at any time.......
It's not only what package is called so much as how the players execute the play even if it's a bad play called to begin with in the given situation?

Thanks for pointing that out for us!

Not sure what you are saying, but yes Semore said the UM D was not good against the CP O this year, and he took responsibility for that.

If true, it's very admirable for a DC to take responsibility like that instead of blame the offense and cause division in the locker room.

 

[SoldierGriz]

So, what you are saying is it was a single player rather than Semores D

I guess that is why Semores D has done so much better this year,
than any of Tylers D's have done any where, at any time.......
It's not only what package is called so much as how the players execute the play even if it's a bad play called to begin with in the given situation?

Thanks for pointing that out for us!

Not sure what you are saying, but yes Semore said the UM D was not good against the CP O this year, and he took responsibility for that.

If true, it's very admirable for a DC to take responsibility like that instead of blame the offense and cause division in the locker room.

I don't know Semore and I don't pretend to know him. But, I am certain there is not a single D coordinator in D1 football who would be satisfied with the D's performance against CP this year. Well, maybe 1.

Of course Semore owns it. My guess is that it won't happen again in that match up.

 

[PlayerRep]

No, we can't say that. But we can say that the Griz O was twice as good this year as last year, and because the UM D was so not good this year, UM lost 42-41. What good defense gives up 42 points? Fewer turnovers by the UM O this year than last year. Better TOP this year than last year. Better 3d down conversion defense last year, than this year.

I am going with the CP offense last year was literally not half as good this year. Why, for the same reason you say we can't.

You could say that, but you'd be dead wrong. CP offense this year is averaging more rush yards per game, a bit fewer passing yard per game, and a few points less per game. 387 yards on ground last year per game. Pretty darn good.

CP scored 20 last year and 42 this year. That would be literally less than half as many points.

Yes, that was part of my main point. The UM defense did much better against CP last year than this year, including holding them to 20 last year and giving up 42 this year. However, looking at CP's season stats last year compared to this year's season stats to date, the stats are relatively the same. CP's season stats are not twice as good this year. They are roughly the same as last year.

Perhaps we are not communicating on this. It would be helpful for me if you could work a bit on your sentence structure. "CP offense last year was not half as good as this year". Could you put that into a more clear sentence?

 

[PlayerRep]

Sorry, Jack.....
You got blown out again....

Come back the day after tomorrow and try again .....

Troll brigade 3
Jack 0

Huh? PR 25, Troll Brigade 0. As usual.

 

[ordigger]

Sorry, Jack.....
You got blown out again....

Come back the day after tomorrow and try again .....

Troll brigade 3
Jack 0

Huh? PR 25, Troll Brigade 0. As usual.

I think you're overestimating....they have at least 1 point.

 

[Chet_Ripley]

Not sure how this thread ended up solely focusing on the last two Cal Poly games, but...

Back to the original topic. I think it's obvious the defense overall is much improved from the past few seasons. Semore, in his 1st year, has been impressive. Hopefully the defense continues to improve and hold NAU & EWU.

This is an interesting read: http://billingsgazette.com/sports/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/football/tackles-for-loss-have-montana-s-opponents-stuck-in-reverse/article_f0134797-8f9c-5c97-bb0a-e05172ee1ceb.html

 

[ari gold]

Pretty hard to make a good comparison of this years D and last years D against CP when the lineups have changed. I get that the CP offensive stats are close to the same, but there are all sorts of factors that play into this. Last years game was at home, this years away. Last year we had Kidder and Holmes, this year just Kidder. You can make arguments like this all days long. I think the overall thing we can come away with is that through the season thus far, our defense has been considerably better than last years.

I'll take Semores defense that plays smart all day long over TG's defense, who has to constantly rely on him to read and call the correct defense. You can see it now at MSU. Their D is constant caught off guard and out of position. As a fan, thats extremely frustrating. The Griz defense this year however has been fun to watch. I for one have really enjoyed it.

 

[brewskis]

Pretty hard to make a good comparison of this years D and last years D against CP when the lineups have changed. I get that the CP offensive stats are close to the same, but there are all sorts of factors that play into this. Last years game was at home, this years away. Last year we had Kidder and Holmes, this year just Kidder. You can make arguments like this all days long. I think the overall thing we can come away with is that through the season thus far, our defense has been considerably better than last years.

I'll take Semores defense that plays smart all day long over TG's defense, who has to constantly rely on him to read and call the correct defense. You can see it now at MSU. Their D is constant caught off guard and out of position. As a fan, thats extremely frustrating. The Griz defense this year however has been fun to watch. I for one have really enjoyed it.

That's the biggest thing for me.....I got nervous watching TGs defense.....now I get excited watching Semores because we can expect Buss, Schye, Strong and more making plays in the backfield and punishing guys. It's fun to watch!!


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[HelenaHandBasket]

I am going with the CP offense last year was literally not half as good this year. Why, for the same reason you say we can't.

You could say that, but you'd be dead wrong. CP offense this year is averaging more rush yards per game, a bit fewer passing yard per game, and a few points less per game. 387 yards on ground last year per game. Pretty darn good.

CP scored 20 last year and 42 this year. That would be literally less than half as many points.

Yes, that was part of my main point. The UM defense did much better against CP last year than this year, including holding them to 20 last year and giving up 42 this year. However, looking at CP's season stats last year compared to this year's season stats to date, the stats are relatively the same. CP's season stats are not twice as good this year. They are roughly the same as last year.

Perhaps we are not communicating on this. It would be helpful for me if you could work a bit on your sentence structure. "CP offense last year was not half as good as this year". Could you put that into a more clear sentence?

Or it is possible that the Poly offense wasn't as good last year as it is this year. Poly is a top rushing team every year, but how does that translate to points and wins? And to use your reasoning in regards to the Poly offense year to year, the Griz defense is, as was the the original reason of this post, statistically better this year than last year. And I still stand by the point that a better comparable is the game at Poly 2 years ago and not last year.

 

[PlayerRep]

Pretty hard to make a good comparison of this years D and last years D against CP when the lineups have changed. I get that the CP offensive stats are close to the same, but there are all sorts of factors that play into this. Last years game was at home, this years away. Last year we had Kidder and Holmes, this year just Kidder. You can make arguments like this all days long. I think the overall thing we can come away with is that through the season thus far, our defense has been considerably better than last years.

I'll take Semores defense that plays smart all day long over TG's defense, who has to constantly rely on him to read and call the correct defense. You can see it now at MSU. Their D is constant caught off guard and out of position. As a fan, thats extremely frustrating. The Griz defense this year however has been fun to watch. I for one have really enjoyed it.

It's not hard to compare this year's D against CP to last year's D against CP. Jeez, look at the points and stats. Comparisons like this are made all the time. Are you saying that Griz teams and seasons can't be compared to each other, because they happened in different years and things have changed? I don't know how anyone could conclude anything other than that last year's UM D performance was considerably better than this year's. It's just a fact. It's really not disputable. Now, that doesn't mean last year's D was better than this year's D, or that TG was a better DC than Semore. And I have not tried to make any such argument, by the way. I was discussing the very narrow point.

Giving up 42 points is just not good. UM didn't give up 42 once last year. Gave up 37 and 35 to NDSU. Gave up over 27 only 2 more times. 35 to PSU and 35 to MSU (and in that one the UM D was very good and some of those later points weren't a big deal). It will be interesting to see if the D can handle EWU like they did last year.

I like this year's D and Semore so far, but I will reserve judgment until after the some of the upcoming games. Yes, Semore's system seems to rely less on his signals on each play, but it also means that players have more opportunity for mistakes like not lining up in the right spot. This has happened multiple times this year, and it's hurt the Griz. Semore has said this.

The few times I've watched the Cats, the Cat D has performed fairly well. The last quarter and the last drive of the SS game was an exception. The Cat D was weak and then bad. Couldn't defend the hurry-up offense that SS went to. As I have said, my Cat family members and friends say the Cat D is much better this year than it was last year, but still nothing to write home about.

 

[PlayerRep]

You could say that, but you'd be dead wrong. CP offense this year is averaging more rush yards per game, a bit fewer passing yard per game, and a few points less per game. 387 yards on ground last year per game. Pretty darn good.

CP scored 20 last year and 42 this year. That would be literally less than half as many points.

Yes, that was part of my main point. The UM defense did much better against CP last year than this year, including holding them to 20 last year and giving up 42 this year. However, looking at CP's season stats last year compared to this year's season stats to date, the stats are relatively the same. CP's season stats are not twice as good this year. They are roughly the same as last year.

Perhaps we are not communicating on this. It would be helpful for me if you could work a bit on your sentence structure. "CP offense last year was not half as good as this year". Could you put that into a more clear sentence?

Or it is possible that the Poly offense wasn't as good last year as it is this year. Poly is a top rushing team every year, but how does that translate to points and wins? And to use your reasoning in regards to the Poly offense year to year, the Griz defense is, as was the the original reason of this post, statistically better this year than last year. And I still stand by the point that a better comparable is the game at Poly 2 years ago and not last year.

Even if the CP O is a bit better this year, that sure doesn't translate into going from 20 points last year to 42 points this year. And the Griz O was way better this year and had fewer turnovers, so gave way more support to the D this year than last year, but even that didn't help the D keep the score anywhere close to 20.

And no, when CP acores 20 points last year and 42 points this year, that doesn't mean that the Griz D was statistically better this year. Jeez, 22 more points. How can ignore the most important stat in the game, along with W or L?

There is no way that the game 2 years ago is more comparable than the game a year ago. That makes zero sense. However, you are welcome to your opinion.