Defense - National Stats

[big kahuna]

Two things we can say with some certainty:

1. Although we still have plenty of season left, our defense is better this year with Semore and the current group of players.
2. The Bobcats defense is still bad under Ty.

Read into that what you will.

 

[Ursa Major]

You're confused. What he is saying is that we currently have one loss. He is also stating that we would be undefeated because we would've beat CP with TG as DC. You're trying to expand it to cover all the games, but thats not what he said - he is only looking at the one game, and that result.

Actually I am not. I asked him to compare the game at Poly 2 years ago when TG was the DC with the game at Poly this season and ask why he thinks they win at Poly if TG is the DC. Then I applied the same logic to state that the Griz would have 2 losses if TG were the DC for the game at UNI because he has a track record of not having much success as DC on the road, which of course would apply to the Poly game in his scenario. I think you should do a better job reading before you post.

Perhaps you should....your post comparing what he said with what you think he said was way off. Obviously you're an idiot so I won't comment further.

I have no dog in this Kobayashi Maru scenario but the problem I see is there's no room for a third wheel in the Ace and Gary show.

 

[1972]

Don't know why I'm posting this, but anyways. Let's cherry pick games, because some on here like to do this to try and prove a point. 2015 bobcats played Sac State and the defense gave up 385 yards. 2016 bobcats played Sac State and gave up 510 yards. See how easy this game is to play. Early in the year I would have agreed that the Cats defense was looking better. Last couple of weeks, not so much. They didn't play Weber last year, so can't compare that. Big question is, Do the GRIZ want TG back, think we all know the answer to that.

PR, are you trying to say the Griz D was better last year? Honest question. I posted this earlier in this thread. If you are (by using cherry picked stats for one game) then we also could say the Cats defense was better last year without TG, than this year with him(which I don't believe by the way).

 

[PlayerRep]

Can't you read. Look at what you quoted. If TG had been here for the CP game (doesn't say the whole season; it says the CP game), UM would have been undefeated. You were just owned.

WTF. If that is how we want to play it, then if TG had been here for UNI, the Griz would have multiple losses. TG has been nothing but terrible as DC in road games.

You're confused. What he is saying is that we currently have one loss. He is also stating that we would be undefeated because we would've beat CP with TG as DC. You're trying to expand it to cover all the games, but thats not what he said - he is only looking at the one game, and that result.

Actually I am not. I asked him to compare the game at Poly 2 years ago when TG was the DC with the game at Poly this season and ask why he thinks they win at Poly if TG is the DC. Then I applied the same logic to state that the Griz would have 2 losses if TG were the DC for the game at UNI because he has a track record of not having much success as DC on the road, which of course would apply to the Poly game in his scenario. I think you should do a better job reading before you post.

I compared the 2 most recent and most relevant games. You couldn't deal with it, so went off talking to yourself. If you want other games compared, figure it out yourself. I know you are football challenged, but even you should be able to figure this one out.

Also, have you admitted that the UM defense against CP was much better last year than this year? Even Semore seemed to admit that. Why can't you?

 

[PlayerRep]

Don't know why I'm posting this, but anyways. Let's cherry pick games, because some on here like to do this to try and prove a point. 2015 bobcats played Sac State and the defense gave up 385 yards. 2016 bobcats played Sac State and gave up 510 yards. See how easy this game is to play. Early in the year I would have agreed that the Cats defense was looking better. Last couple of weeks, not so much. They didn't play Weber last year, so can't compare that. Big question is, Do the GRIZ want TG back, think we all know the answer to that.

PR, are you trying to say the Griz D was better last year? Honest question. I posted this earlier in this thread. If you are (by using cherry picked stats for one game) then we also could say the Cats defense was better last year without TG, than this year with him(which I don't believe by the way).

I have not said anything about the UM D this year compared to last year, in this or any recent thread. I am not using cherry-picked stats. I used the most relevant stats and observations for this year's CP game to last year's CP game. That's all. Can you just admit that UM's D was better against CP last year than it was this year? Or, are you going Troll Brigade too, and will avoid answering even that very simple question. I haven't been analyzing the Cat D this year, but I have heard multiple Cat friends, including my family members in Bozeman, say the Cat D was much better this year than last year. I don't know. I didn't follow the Cat D last year either.

 

[1972]

Don't know why I'm posting this, but anyways. Let's cherry pick games, because some on here like to do this to try and prove a point. 2015 bobcats played Sac State and the defense gave up 385 yards. 2016 bobcats played Sac State and gave up 510 yards. See how easy this game is to play. Early in the year I would have agreed that the Cats defense was looking better. Last couple of weeks, not so much. They didn't play Weber last year, so can't compare that. Big question is, Do the GRIZ want TG back, think we all know the answer to that.

PR, are you trying to say the Griz D was better last year? Honest question. I posted this earlier in this thread. If you are (by using cherry picked stats for one game) then we also could say the Cats defense was better last year without TG, than this year with him(which I don't believe by the way).

I have not said anything about the UM D this year compared to last year, in this or any recent thread. I am not using cherry-picked stats. I used the most relevant stats and observations for this year's CP game to last year's CP game. That's all. Can you just admit that UM's D was better against CP last year than it was this year? Or, are you going Troll Brigade too, and will avoid answering even that very simple question. I haven't been analyzing the Cat D this year, but I have heard multiple Cat friends, including my family members in Bozeman, say the Cat D was much better this year than last year. I don't know. I didn't follow the Cat D last year either.

I will admit that the defensive stats from this years Griz D is worse than last year stats. Griz D played very well last year against CP, probably one of the best games the D had last year, until the last drive.

 

[PlayerRep]

Don't know why I'm posting this, but anyways. Let's cherry pick games, because some on here like to do this to try and prove a point. 2015 bobcats played Sac State and the defense gave up 385 yards. 2016 bobcats played Sac State and gave up 510 yards. See how easy this game is to play. Early in the year I would have agreed that the Cats defense was looking better. Last couple of weeks, not so much. They didn't play Weber last year, so can't compare that. Big question is, Do the GRIZ want TG back, think we all know the answer to that.

PR, are you trying to say the Griz D was better last year? Honest question. I posted this earlier in this thread. If you are (by using cherry picked stats for one game) then we also could say the Cats defense was better last year without TG, than this year with him(which I don't believe by the way).

I have not said anything about the UM D this year compared to last year, in this or any recent thread. I am not using cherry-picked stats. I used the most relevant stats and observations for this year's CP game to last year's CP game. That's all. Can you just admit that UM's D was better against CP last year than it was this year? Or, are you going Troll Brigade too, and will avoid answering even that very simple question. I haven't been analyzing the Cat D this year, but I have heard multiple Cat friends, including my family members in Bozeman, say the Cat D was much better this year than last year. I don't know. I didn't follow the Cat D last year either.

I will admit that the defensive stats from this years Griz D is worse than last year stats. Griz D played very well last year against CP, probably one of the best games the D had last year, until the last drive.

Great. That was my point, and the only one I was trying to make. I don't agree about the last drive. 11 plays for 36 yards at the end of the game, seems pretty damn good to me. 3.3 yards per play.

 

[PhxGriz]

If TG were here we'd have lost to Sac State.

Nope, would have crushed them. The main comparison, closest of apples to apples, is Cal Poly. UM defense was way better against CP last year. Don't be silly, AZ.

Apples to apples is not comparing last year to this year. Don't be silly, PR.

Said "closest" thing of apples to apples. Hey, I'm not the one who started making comparisons from this year to last year. Don't be silly. Dumb comment by you.

Dano Graves. Their QB was a big addition to their team.

 

[OmegaGRIZ]

Compared to where we were last year or, the prior several years.....
I'm sure Glad Tyler G became a kitten.....

If TG had been here for the CP game, UM would be undefeated.

No, we would have lost by 35

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[OmegaGRIZ]

Great stats. But run them without the last 2 games. Scoring defense goes from 17th to 34th. If the Griz win the next 2 games, I won't even care what these stats show.

How about only using the last game and get rid of the others?

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[1972]

PR, are you trying to say the Griz D was better last year? Honest question. I posted this earlier in this thread. If you are (by using cherry picked stats for one game) then we also could say the Cats defense was better last year without TG, than this year with him(which I don't believe by the way).

I have not said anything about the UM D this year compared to last year, in this or any recent thread. I am not using cherry-picked stats. I used the most relevant stats and observations for this year's CP game to last year's CP game. That's all. Can you just admit that UM's D was better against CP last year than it was this year? Or, are you going Troll Brigade too, and will avoid answering even that very simple question. I haven't been analyzing the Cat D this year, but I have heard multiple Cat friends, including my family members in Bozeman, say the Cat D was much better this year than last year. I don't know. I didn't follow the Cat D last year either.

I will admit that the defensive stats from this years Griz D is worse than last year stats. Griz D played very well last year against CP, probably one of the best games the D had last year, until the last drive.

Great. That was my point, and the only one I was trying to make. I don't agree about the last drive. 11 plays for 36 yards at the end of the game, seems pretty damn good to me. 3.3 yards per play.

More about the time left in the game, pretty sure every play ended up out of bounds. Keep one in bounds and the game over.

 

[PlayerRep]

I have not said anything about the UM D this year compared to last year, in this or any recent thread. I am not using cherry-picked stats. I used the most relevant stats and observations for this year's CP game to last year's CP game. That's all. Can you just admit that UM's D was better against CP last year than it was this year? Or, are you going Troll Brigade too, and will avoid answering even that very simple question. I haven't been analyzing the Cat D this year, but I have heard multiple Cat friends, including my family members in Bozeman, say the Cat D was much better this year than last year. I don't know. I didn't follow the Cat D last year either.

I will admit that the defensive stats from this years Griz D is worse than last year stats. Griz D played very well last year against CP, probably one of the best games the D had last year, until the last drive.

Great. That was my point, and the only one I was trying to make. I don't agree about the last drive. 11 plays for 36 yards at the end of the game, seems pretty damn good to me. 3.3 yards per play.

More about the time left in the game, pretty sure every play ended up out of bounds. Keep one in bounds and the game over.

How does a team defend the sidelines without giving up running and passing yardage down the interior of the field. If you station one defender towards each sideline (and one defender doesn't necessarily keep a runner from getting out of bounds, then you reduce your defenders by 2 in the main portion of the field. I have never heard of defending the sidelines in football ever. Not once. Seems silly to me.

Again, 11 plays for 36 yards. 2-5 passing for 17 yards. 5 runs for 5, 2, 2, 6, 4., or 19 yards.

If UM had put defenders in unusual position on each sideline on the 5 pass plays (so had 2 less defenders to defend the pass, do you not think they migh have completed more passes for more yardage? And how about runs? Do you think that CP would not more up the interior of the field if 2 defenders were standing by the sidelines.

I'm sorry, but the never played the game thing comes to mind each time this subject comes up.

 

[Bear Axed]

I guess someone doesn't know what contain the edge means?

 

[1972]

I will admit that the defensive stats from this years Griz D is worse than last year stats. Griz D played very well last year against CP, probably one of the best games the D had last year, until the last drive.

Great. That was my point, and the only one I was trying to make. I don't agree about the last drive. 11 plays for 36 yards at the end of the game, seems pretty damn good to me. 3.3 yards per play.

More about the time left in the game, pretty sure every play ended up out of bounds. Keep one in bounds and the game over.

How does a team defend the sidelines without giving up running and passing yardage down the interior of the field. If you station one defender towards each sideline (and one defender doesn't necessarily keep a runner from getting out of bounds, then you reduce your defenders by 2 in the main portion of the field. I have never heard of defending the sidelines in football ever. Not once. Seems silly to me.

Again, 11 plays for 36 yards. 2-5 passing for 17 yards. 5 runs for 5, 2, 2, 6, 4., or 19 yards.

If UM had put defenders in unusual position on each sideline on the 5 pass plays (so had 2 less defenders to defend the pass, do you not think they migh have completed more passes for more yardage? And how about runs? Do you think that CP would not more up the interior of the field if 2 defenders were standing by the sidelines.

I'm sorry, but the never played the game thing comes to mind each time this subject comes up.

Played or understand :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

I guess someone doesn't know what contain the edge means?

You do realize that the edge is right by the d-end and not the sideline, right?

Can someone please furnish links to articles discussing how to defend the sideline? I'd love to see them. Would further my football knowledge.

 

[kyle_sample]

Semore's defense did really well against Cal Poly. After a shaky first half that included two very short-field touchdowns, Semore's halftime adjustments limited Cal Poly, a team averaging 6 yards/carry, to 3.9 in the second half. Who knows what would have happened on the 4th-quarter drive that ended in a touchdown had it not been for Yamen Sander's cramps, but Cal Poly's second half drives went like this (plays-yards): 6-38, 3-(-11), 3-1, 8-70, 3-2, 8-75, 5-6.
Of the 145 yards on the touchdown drives, 94 came on two plays. One of those was attacking a safety who was suffering from cramps, but was forced back onto the field when another safety went down. Credit Cal Poly for recognizing that, but saying the defense didn't play well is obfuscating the facts a little bit.

 

[Bear Axed]

I guess someone doesn't know what contain the edge means?

You do realize that the edge is right by the d-end and not the sideline, right?

Can someone please furnish links to articles discussing how to defend the sideline? I'd love to see them. Would further my football knowledge.

Yep, and If we would have contained the edge on any of the 5 runs for 5, 2, 2, 6, 4., or 19 yards
If we'd Tackled just one before they got out of bounds.....Game Over!

But, that isn't something Tyler took as a priority in the last drive......Get it?
Can someone please furnish links to articles discussing how to defend the sideline?

 

[PlayerRep]

Semore's defense did really well against Cal Poly. After a shaky first half that included two very short-field touchdowns, Semore's halftime adjustments limited Cal Poly, a team averaging 6 yards/carry, to 3.9 in the second half. Who knows what would have happened on the 4th-quarter drive that ended in a touchdown had it not been for Yamen Sander's cramps, but Cal Poly's second half drives went like this (plays-yards): 6-38, 3-(-11), 3-1, 8-70, 3-2, 8-75, 5-6.
Of the 145 yards on the touchdown drives, 94 came on two plays. One of those was attacking a safety who was suffering from cramps, but was forced back onto the field when another safety went down. Credit Cal Poly for recognizing that, but saying the defense didn't play well is obfuscating the facts a little bit.

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's. And the offense this year, was literally twice as good as last year's. Sander's cramps, BS. I saw the play, just like you did. Sanders made a huge mistake and let the receiver run past him. At that point of the play, Sanders didn't think the receiver was going to go deep. It had absolutely zero to do with cramps. Sanders was beat at the moment he let the receiver go by. Sanders thouht the receiver was going to do a shorter route. As I have said before, given what happened there, no NFL safety could have made up for that mistake. Please don't tell me that you are defending 8-70 and 8-75. Jeez, you were smarter when you were at that stupid paper, the Missoulian.Ha. Okay, I still love you.

I am sorry, Kyle, but cramps don't cause anyone, including a safety, to not react and let a receiver run by him. That portion of the play, the critical part, has absolutely fucking nothing to do with cramps. Zero. Nothing.

 

[Bear Axed]

So, what you are saying is it was a single player rather than Semores D

I guess that is why Semores D has done so much better this year,
than any of Tylers D's have done any where, at any time.......
It's not only what package is called so much as how the players execute the play even if it's a bad play called to begin with in the given situation? Like failing to call a play that forces a tackle on the running back before he gets out of bounds to keep the clock running....

Thanks for pointing that out for us!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Oh BS, Kyle. Semore's defense against CP sucked. Even Semore admitted that. The UM defense this year was literally not half as good as last year's.

Can we say that the CP offense last year was literally not half as good as this year?