Daum

[Spanky]

Why doesn't someone come out with it? What the hell happened?

 

[HookedonGriz]

UMGriz75, are you such an ass hat that you cannot see I'm defending this particular athlete. I'm defending him from an idiot poster like yourself who claims the following:

- Stitt chased him off
- Swett chased him off
- there has to be something going on in the locker room to have these departures
- because Daum was Stitt's recruit and is leaving that there must be something terrible going on

Geez, speculate much? I'm telling you I know why he left and it didn't even come close to the points above that YOU have speculated on. Do you think he'd tell a random Missoulian reporter any inside info that he wants to keep private. Surely even you can understand that, but maybe not as you're proving in this thread and all your other useless 12-page drivel sessions. This is bookmarked and you will officially be ass-hat of the year when you find out more some day. I'll work on that trophy because you're going to be displaying it proudly.

PS did you say you work for the University? Someone needs to have IT show the university what a shitty return on investment it's getting due to your 12 page drivel responses that 99% of us stop reading because all we hear is Charlie Browns teacher as well as Debbie Downer music....bummmmm bummmm bummmm

 

[reinell30]

A young man decided to not play football....what can this mean? End of the world? Come on people, give it a rest! Best of luck in all future endeavours Mr. Daum!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I never felt like a part of this thread.

 

[UMGriz75]

75....you need to dig a little deeper....when Daum said he didn't feel like part of the team....it really wasn't about football, the other players, the coaches or the program...

This really didn't have anything to do with football, except for the part about not feeling like part of the football team. Other than that, it wasn't about the football team, because the football team has nothing to do with football, the other players, the coaches, or the program. :roll:

Other than that ...

 

[HookedonGriz]

I never felt like a part of this thread.

You can fix that very quickly. Just tell UMAssHat75 that you don't think Stitt is to blame on this one and you will get a 12 page diatribe response filled with suxh nonsense and drivel that you'd rather stab your eye out with a spoon than ever be a part of this thread again.

 

[grizindabox]

75....you need to dig a little deeper....when Daum said he didn't feel like part of the team....it really wasn't about football, the other players, the coaches or the program...

This really didn't have anything to do with football, except for the part about not feeling like part of the football team. Other than that, it wasn't about the football team, because the football team has nothing to do with football, the other players, the coaches, or the program. :roll:

Other than that ...

Once again.....you are not getting it.....Hooked and a few others know....but you are out to prove us wrong without knowing any of the facts.....

 

[Bear Axed]

The fact that 75 hates this coaching staff tells me all I need to know.

I'm "delusional," technically, schizophrenia.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Would someone, anyone close to the Daum situation mind messaging me why he left? From the little I know Daum and the staff, I am having difficulty thinking it was due to coaching and/or problems with anything regarding the staff. I am hoping a Butte local or 2 can fill me in.

At the very least, can someone tell us, if in time some details will come out? It would be nice to put some of the assumptions to rest here.

 

[AZGrizFan]

no one directly blamed the players.....what was said is that the player is part of the equation and some of the blame can fall on them also....but you so seemingly like to just blame the coaches.....

There is a backstory of player concerns. Coaches are in the position of power and authority. Players are not. No, they are not equal.

You get to argue that they "share" the blame when you can point to a specific reason why. Until then, you can't.

.....seems to me we are to the root of the problem....75 believes that everything that happens badly is someone else's fault.....

Hence the "flaming liberal" comment by Alpha. :lol: :lol:

 

[UMGriz75]

UMGriz75, are you such an ass hat that you cannot see I'm defending this particular athlete. I'm defending him from an idiot poster like yourself who claims the following:

- Stitt chased him off
- Swett chased him off
- there has to be something going on in the locker room to have these departures
- because Daum was Stitt's recruit and is leaving that there must be something terrible going on

Geez, speculate much?

Fabricate much?

You're not "defending" Daum at all. You are implying he's got "hundreds" of problems that had nothing to do with football. Maybe he does. That privacy he deserves. Your'e not allowing him to have it.

He has made his own comments, but you attacked those as well. He doesn't really need too many self-proclaimed "defenders" like you, quickly accusing him of only "telling half the story," the "half of the story" that you denied existed at all. It is "his" story, right? You argue that he does not have the right to say what it is? It's a nice conceit on your part.

You're the one trying to make a public federal case out of his "other problems" because you are desperately trying to claim those problems vindicate your original remarks that this had nothing to do with football. I happen to think that's disgusting. If he has other problems, leave them alone. I'm not interested in discussing them in public, and in that case, can only wish him well as a talented athlete and a fine young man.

He's confirmed that UM football was part of his decision. Apparently he didn't clear that with you first.

 

[AZGrizFan]

75....you need to dig a little deeper....when Daum said he didn't feel like part of the team....it really wasn't about football, the other players, the coaches or the program...

This really didn't have anything to do with football, except for the part about not feeling like part of the football team. Other than that, it wasn't about the football team, because the football team has nothing to do with football, the other players, the coaches, or the program. :roll:

Other than that ...

I'll ask again, since you have a habit of ignoring questions that don't fit your narrative: If the player says he "didn't feel like a part of the team", whose responsibility is that? The player's? The coaches? The OTHER team members?

Because he made the statement that he "didn't feel like part of the team", you seem ready to eviscerate the coaches (specifically Swett), when in reality it could very much be that DAUM himself didn't "fit" well, despite his athletic ability...and that "fit" could be one of many, many things...like going from being the BMOC to being a scrub redshirt; going from all-world at Butte High without really trying, to having to work your ASS off to try and compete for playing time; being away from home and homesick; inability to make friends or relate to new teammates, etc., etc., etc....ALL of those things, either together or individually, could make someone feel they "weren't part of the team" and have nothing to do with the coaching staff.

That being said, maybe he just hated his fucking coach and had had enough. :roll:

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

OK, I will try to say this so 75 understands. Daum did not feel like part of the team because of anything his teammates or coaches did, he did not feel like part of the team because of some personal things he has going on.

 

[UMGriz75]

.....Hooked and a few others know....but you are out to prove us wrong without knowing any of the facts.....

Daum made a public statement. Unfortunately for him, he did not absolve the UM football program in that statement as certain posters desperately wanted, nor did he reference any other problems (which distinguishes him from the average 19-year-old how?).

As I tried to point out far above (about as good as nuance ever goes with some of these idiots), I have no doubt that the decision to give up a scholarship and chance to play is complex, difficult to make, and made with many other complicating factors, and those complicating factors can be myriad. As I specifically said, I doubt that merely being mad at the coach would be the full reason for such a departure.

For the part that is or should be of concern to the UM Football program, he made a statement. He expressly made part of his reasoning a matter of public record.

He is entitled to his privacy otherwise.

 

[UMGriz75]

OK, I will try to say this so 75 understands. Daum did not feel like part of the team because of anything his teammates or coaches did, he did not feel like part of the team because of some personal things he has going on.

Well, that's not what he actually said, was it?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

OK, I will try to say this so 75 understands. Daum did not feel like part of the team because of anything his teammates or coaches did, he did not feel like part of the team because of some personal things he has going on.

Well, that's not what he actually said, was it?

He did not say the players and coaches did not make him feel welcome, he said that he did not feel like part of the team. You will continue to spin that to meet your narrative, but several people with actual first hand information have continually attempted to politely reign you in without getting giving too much personal info.

 

[UMGriz75]

I'll ask again, since you have a habit of ignoring questions that don't fit your narrative: If the player says he "didn't feel like a part of the team", whose responsibility is that? The player's? The coaches? The OTHER team members?

Because he made the statement that he "didn't feel like part of the team", you seem ready to eviscerate the coaches (specifically Swett), when in reality it could very much be that DAUM himself didn't "fit" well,

Yeah, it "could be." I'd agree to that in flash.

Never heard that from any of the people that know him, however, but if you have some evidence why leave it to unexamined innuendo about a player made for the first time on an internet thread by a fanboy.

Why do you think the players are leaving the team? Why is there an undercurrent of both player and staff resentment about certain coach behaviors that is surprising to me because I've never encountered it at this level, and why it is so particularly focused. By and large, I think the overall staff is doing great for the kids. A very solid bunch. And I'm plenty conditioned to "sour grapes" but at a certain intensity, its just too many grapes. You hear the same concerns, over and over, and when you start hearing them from credible sources and responsible kids, and you see it personally, you pay attention.

However, concerning the coaches, that's the part you seem to overlook, and that is the concern uttered by players both leaving and still on the team, that there is a "problem" resulting in team departures resulting from specific coaching behaviors.

Is it your position that documented concerns about coaches are equivalent to hypothetical horseshit made up about players just to argue about something on a football forum?

If so, then yes, "it could be."

 

[mtgrizrule]

OK, I will try to say this so 75 understands. Daum did not feel like part of the team because of anything his teammates or coaches did, he did not feel like part of the team because of some personal things he has going on.

Well, that's not what he actually said, was it?

He did not say the players and coaches did not make him feel welcome, he said that he did not feel like part of the team. You will continue to spin that to meet your narrative, but several people with actual first hand information have continually attempted to politely reign you in without getting giving too much personal info.

For those of us who are pointing the finger at the coaches, team, players, etc, if and when the story comes out, be prepared to take some heat. If what I am hearing is true, prayers for Dalton. Sounds like he is going through young adult adjustments in his life. For those of us who are older than 25, think back to some of your struggles as someone in your late teens and early 20's. Then maybe you can get an idea of what this decision is really about? Until more is made official through whatever source, I think it is best to leave it at that. Thanks to those who msg'd me, texted, emailed etc.

 

[HookedonGriz]

OK, I will try to say this so 75 understands. Daum did not feel like part of the team because of anything his teammates or coaches did, he did not feel like part of the team because of some personal things he has going on.

Well, that's not what he actually said, was it?

He did not say the players and coaches did not make him feel welcome, he said that he did not feel like part of the team. You will continue to spin that to meet your narrative, but several people with actual first hand information have continually attempted to politely reign you in without getting giving too much personal info.

For those of us who are pointing the finger at the coaches, team, players, etc, if and when the story comes out, be prepared to take some heat. If what I am hearing is true, prayers for Dalton. Sounds like he is going through young adult adjustments in his life. For those of us who are older than 25, think back to some of your struggles as someone in your late teens and early 20's. Then maybe you can get an idea of what this decision is really about? Until more is made official through whatever source, I think it is best to leave it at that. Thanks to those who msg'd me, texted, emailed etc.

Exactly and spot on. Which is why I keep trying to help UMAssHat75 have a chance to save himself but he keeps digging deeper and deeper. I will be demanding an apology for his idiotic statements and for trying to make everyone else look silly when he is the epitome of it. I would I be ahamed and embarrassed if I were him. But he won't be, he can never admit when he is wrong or made a mistake.

///end thread.

 

[grizindabox]

UMGriz75