Daum

[grizindabox]

Anyone that disagrees with "grizindabox" must have an "agenda."

After all, he mightily huffed, Stitt needs the opportunity to recruit his own players, fully in tune with and capable of being on a "Stitt" team!

Then, one of the best reecruits meeting that criteria left. After a tranche of postings from those always claiming to be in the "know" that this departure was not about football or the team, that the Coach in no way can be responsible for anything, frantically pedaling the meme -- the agenda -- that this was but a "personal problem" for which there could be "hundreds of reasons" that all deserved privacy, none other than the player himself responded to refute them. It was all about the team experience.

Question: If the player didn't "feel a part of the team", is that not also on THE PLAYER? And the OTHER players? Or does the responsibility for that chemistry reside solely with the coach/coaching staff?

Bingo.....not feeling part of the team can fall on the player just as much as anyone else.....

 

[grizpack]

My kids are too old, but that Disney song keeps running through my head.... "Let it go, Let it go..."

 

[grizcountry420]

I could see why a player wouldn't feel apart of the team. You have to take into consideration that i bet its pretty tough on a kid who goes from being the dude on your HS football program to being apart of the scout team the following year and not getting to suite up for any games. That would be tough!

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I still don't get the uproar about most of the players leaving.....coaches decided certain players did not fit and were told they would be at the bottom of the depth chart and would very likely not see the field....they left....

That's why Daum's departure has some significance as part of a larger discussion of player morale on this team.

Except his decision had nothing to do with the coaching staff............other than that you are almost right

 

[grizpack]

I could see why a player wouldn't feel apart of the team. You have to take into consideration that i bet its pretty tough on a kid who goes from being the dude on your HS football program to being apart of the scout team the following year and not getting to suite up for any games. That would be tough!

I have no idea if this is the case or not, but I do know he was "the dude" on his football, basketball and baseball teams. One of the fastest kids I have ever seen around the bases, and in the outfield.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The fact that 75 hates this coaching staff tells me all I need to know. I hope Stitt signs a series of 3 year contracts because he was the right hire and will take us up to being competitive again.

When an entrenched left wing loon is crying good times are right around the corner

 

[get'em_griz]

The fact that 75 hates this coaching staff tells me all I need to know. I hope Stitt signs a series of 3 year contracts because he was the right hire and will take us up to being competitive again.

Spot on, 100%.

 

[grizindabox]

Alpha gets it....and just because it is Alpha most will dismiss it.....

 

[grizcountry420]

I could see why a player wouldn't feel apart of the team. You have to take into consideration that i bet its pretty tough on a kid who goes from being the dude on your HS football program to being apart of the scout team the following year and not getting to suite up for any games. That would be tough!

I have no idea if this is the case or not, but I do know he was "the dude" on his football, basketball and baseball teams. One of the fastest kids I have ever seen around the bases, and in the outfield.

Thats what i mean. The kid is obviously super competitive and when you take that away from him, not being able to compete on the field it got take some toll on him..

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Alpha gets it....and just because it is Alpha most will dismiss it.....

I know I will........

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Alpha gets it....and just because it is Alpha most will dismiss it.....

I know I will........

 

[grizindabox]

Alpha....you can say that again...

 

[UMGriz75]

The fact that 75 hates this coaching staff tells me all I need to know.

You are hearing a voice that did not speak those words. That's called "delusional," technically, schizophrenia.

 

[UMGriz75]

Anyone that disagrees with "grizindabox" must have an "agenda."

After all, he mightily huffed, Stitt needs the opportunity to recruit his own players, fully in tune with and capable of being on a "Stitt" team!

Then, one of the best reecruits meeting that criteria left. After a tranche of postings from those always claiming to be in the "know" that this departure was not about football or the team, that the Coach in no way can be responsible for anything, frantically pedaling the meme -- the agenda -- that this was but a "personal problem" for which there could be "hundreds of reasons" that all deserved privacy, none other than the player himself responded to refute them. It was all about the team experience.

Question: If the player didn't "feel a part of the team", is that not also on THE PLAYER? And the OTHER players? Or does the responsibility for that chemistry reside solely with the coach/coaching staff?

Bingo.....not feeling part of the team can fall on the player just as much as anyone else.....

When in doubt, blame the players.

In this case, the concern expressed is that there appears to be pattern.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Many of those speculating on this issue will feel foolish when it all eventually comes out. Again, I promise you it wasn't injury, coaches, lack of effort, or the many other scenarios people are guessing and/or starting rumors on.

You appeared foolish when you first posted that this was a personal decision that didn't have anything to do with the team, and then the quote from Daum was posted. Nobody's guessing about "the many other scenarios" except you. Daum has been quite specific.

Sounds good all knowing one. Happy to bookmark this post so you're the first one who is "ass hat of the year" when you find out more

A lot goes into these decisions. To give up a full scholarship, with a talent load promising the stars, a great deal had to be at work to cause the result. Merely being unhappy with the coach isn't usually enough. Sometimes under great life pressures, you look to your sport, your teammates, your team, and your coaches for the support necessary to get past the other obstacles. That didn't happen here, and he said so.

However, when you claim one thing, and the player claims the opposite, it is a bit disingenuous to claim that the player must be wrong, and that at some point, he will concede to your transcendent insider knowledge, that has so far been consistently wrong.

Do you agree he is now "player ilk" as one of your regular cohorts as claimed on this thread?

It seems if you wanted to generate more plausible faux outrage, that view would justify it in spades.

Tellingly, it does not.

I am wondering why I am even wasting my time replying to you, as it is very obvious that you have a hard time comprehending anything. You are so hell-bent on this being Stitt's fault you are not allowing your mind to be open to the possibility of other factors. Let's just put this in perspective:

- perhaps I am from Butte and have followed the athletes very closely from that community
- perhaps I have followed the high school career of Daum very closely as well as his tenure with the Griz so far
- perhaps I even know the Daum family (oh my, that cannot be, no one knows anyone else in Butte
- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story
- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision
- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness
- perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once
- perhaps you will have the decency to apologize to everyone you're pointing the finger at when you see how wrong you are

 

[grizindabox]

Anyone that disagrees with "grizindabox" must have an "agenda."

After all, he mightily huffed, Stitt needs the opportunity to recruit his own players, fully in tune with and capable of being on a "Stitt" team!

Then, one of the best reecruits meeting that criteria left. After a tranche of postings from those always claiming to be in the "know" that this departure was not about football or the team, that the Coach in no way can be responsible for anything, frantically pedaling the meme -- the agenda -- that this was but a "personal problem" for which there could be "hundreds of reasons" that all deserved privacy, none other than the player himself responded to refute them. It was all about the team experience.

Question: If the player didn't "feel a part of the team", is that not also on THE PLAYER? And the OTHER players? Or does the responsibility for that chemistry reside solely with the coach/coaching staff?

Bingo.....not feeling part of the team can fall on the player just as much as anyone else.....

When in doubt, blame the players.

In this case, the concern expressed is that there appears to be pattern.

no one directly blamed the players.....what was said is that the player is part of the equation and some of the blame can fall on them also....but you so seemingly like to just blame the coaches.....

 

[UMGriz75]

- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story

I'd bet I've coached and trained more "19-year old boys" than you've ever even know in your lifetime ... including when you were 19.

- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision.

Yah, I'd sure hate it when people start telling the world I have ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS, perhaps "100s of them," as a way to preserve my privacy.

- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness

Individually, sure, everything is a "perhaps." As part of a pattern, unlikely.

perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once

I am sure after you boldly and loudly claimed that this had nothing to do with football -- because you know -- you were mightily embarrassed when the athlete refuted your claim. How dare he? Obviously, his comment gave complete lie to your false claims. in pretty short order.

For someone like you, that must have been painful.

Now, you are scrambling, shouting to drown out any dissent, that you were still right even as you turn to accusing the athlete of only "telling half of the story." After all, you argue, he should have known better because you are from Butte. Sheesh.

In other words, that "half of the story" didn't support your original "story" at all, and so this is really the athlete's fault that he didn't support your preferred narrative. How dare he not support your claims.

This is why some of you are so contemptible. You already had a prefabricated story that this was not related to football, and then the athlete upended your prefab.

Well, I am sure this can go on forever now that some of the self-proclaimed "insiders" got egg on their face once again. They will be the last to apologize for getting it wrong.

The facts are, there are talented, athletic and even proven kids leaving the team, and some fanboys continue to blame this on transition era departures, even though in Daum's case that happened to be false (which is "perhaps" why it draws such a sensitized reaction). The player buzz is that the coach and one assistant demonstrate an extreme insensitivity to players in terms of "interpersonal skills." I am using a euphemism.

Is that a positive or a negative in terms of team development?

Well, losing outstanding recruits is not a positive no matter what the reasons, but this one just happens to be part of a pattern. It may fall outside the "pattern," but when the recruit did comment, the comment did not support the notion.

 

[UMGriz75]

no one directly blamed the players.....what was said is that the player is part of the equation and some of the blame can fall on them also....but you so seemingly like to just blame the coaches.....

There is a backstory of player concerns. Coaches are in the position of power and authority. Players are not. No, they are not equal.

You get to argue that they "share" the blame when you can point to a specific reason why. Until then, you can't.

 

[grizindabox]

75....you need to dig a little deeper....when Daum said he didn't feel like part of the team....it really wasn't about football, the other players, the coaches or the program....you are so hellbent to talk negatively about the coaches you are missing the entire underlying story....but carry on....you are doing a great job...

 

[grizindabox]

no one directly blamed the players.....what was said is that the player is part of the equation and some of the blame can fall on them also....but you so seemingly like to just blame the coaches.....

There is a backstory of player concerns. Coaches are in the position of power and authority. Players are not. No, they are not equal.

You get to argue that they "share" the blame when you can point to a specific reason why. Until then, you can't.

no one said equal.....but everyone is involved to a point....and all parties can and do play a roll....to say that a player does not have any involvement is false......it is not 100% on the coach.....seems to me we are to the root of the problem....75 believes that everything that happens badly is someone else's fault.....