Dante Olson vs. Troy Anderson

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Does Troy play LB full-time or do they split his time between offense and defense?

Troy has played game full-time on defense (cal poly). he sat out one game (Norfolk) due to injury, played only 3rd downs (NAU) and then split reps in the other games. It will be interesting to see his offense/defense splits moving forward.

Dante is a great linebacker and a tackling machine.

Not sure what the issue is but Troy isn't healthy right now.

Shocking....they make a guy do literally everything for them and hes hurt. Call me surprised.

 

[VimSince03]

This thread has potential to be great...

You’re right. Bye weeks summon the best in us. :lol:

For what it's worth, Troy was dynamic and fun to watch at OLB against Cal Poly. Played the entire game on defense and finally appeared to settle in.

 

[garizzalies]

Does Troy play LB full-time or do they split his time between offense and defense?

Troy has played game full-time on defense (cal poly). he sat out one game (Norfolk) due to injury, played only 3rd downs (NAU) and then split reps in the other games. It will be interesting to see his offense/defense splits moving forward.

Dante is a great linebacker and a tackling machine.

Not sure what the issue is but Troy isn't healthy right now.

Troy had shoulder surgery in the off-season. His parents did not want him playing in games until the Conference schedule started. Their wishes were not granted however, yes, they were very upset! If you watch Troy play, you will notice he favors his right shoulder a lot...

I would be furious with Choach if I were TnA’s parents. I’ve commented on suing for loss of earning capacity. I know that’s just a joke but it would be legit in any other context, where your future career is hampered due to the selfishness of your boss, that not only causes injury but also generally holds you back. Most of the state agrees that if he was developed at LB properly from the get go he could possibly be drafted. IMO, no chance at this point—he’s a banged up Junior and his tape is all over the place. What game tape can he refer a scout to? Certainly not TexTech. Maybe it gets turned around but if I live in the fertile recruiting zone of Beaverhead County, I am taking notice.

 

[go4two]

This thread has potential to be great...

You’re right. Bye weeks summon the best in us. :lol:

For what it's worth, Troy was dynamic and fun to watch at OLB against Cal Poly. Played the entire game on defense and finally appeared to settle in.

I like TA a lot, and wish he were a Griz, but he is no Dante Olsen when he is on defense. For playing an option team like Cal Poly, you would have thought TA would have had more tackles? He wasn't even in the top three in tackles. He is a stud, but the way the bobkittens are using him on both sides of the ball, he isn't going to make it to the Griz/Cat game.

 

[ilovethecats]

He is a stud, but the way the bobkittens are using him on both sides of the ball, he isn't going to make it to the Griz/Cat game.

We heard this all last year too. He's no more banged up then any of our other guys who are a little banged up. It's football.

 

[VimSince03]

This thread has potential to be great...

You’re right. Bye weeks summon the best in us. :lol:

For what it's worth, Troy was dynamic and fun to watch at OLB against Cal Poly. Played the entire game on defense and finally appeared to settle in.

I like TA a lot, and wish he were a Griz, but he is no Dante Olsen when he is on defense. For playing an option team like Cal Poly, you would have thought TA would have had more tackles? He wasn't even in the top three in tackles. He is a stud, but the way the bobkittens are using him on both sides of the ball, he isn't going to make it to the Griz/Cat game.

Inside linebackers usually will get the bulk of the tackles against the triple option due to how much FB dive they do. Tackles aside, his impact was felt which is what's important.

 

[Bear Axed]

Yah gotta wonder if it isn't just an issue with his Diet?
Shit ponds create all kinds of Hazards
"Lush pasture is a danger zone for ponies. Ponies can founder in less than 60 minutes of grazing if introduced suddenly to lush grass. If you plan to keep your pony on grass introduce it very slowly. Start with 10 minutes of grazing and gradually add a few minutes each day twice a day. If your pony eats too much rich pasture it could lead to such things as colic or founder. You may never be able to leave some ponies on good pasture."

 

[grizghost]

Troy has played game full-time on defense (cal poly). he sat out one game (Norfolk) due to injury, played only 3rd downs (NAU) and then split reps in the other games. It will be interesting to see his offense/defense splits moving forward.

Dante is a great linebacker and a tackling machine.

Not sure what the issue is but Troy isn't healthy right now.

Troy had shoulder surgery in the off-season. His parents did not want him playing in games until the Conference schedule started. Their wishes were not granted however, yes, they were very upset! If you watch Troy play, you will notice he favors his right shoulder a lot...

I would be furious with Choach if I were TnA’s parents. I’ve commented on suing for loss of earning capacity. I know that’s just a joke but it would be legit in any other context, where your future career is hampered due to the selfishness of your boss, that not only causes injury but also generally holds you back. Most of the state agrees that if he was developed at LB properly from the get go he could possibly be drafted. IMO, no chance at this point—he’s a banged up Junior and his tape is all over the place. What game tape can he refer a scout to? Certainly not TexTech. Maybe it gets turned around but if I live in the fertile recruiting zone of Beaverhead County, I am taking notice.

..lots of truth here..Troy has NFL talent but with Choate moving him around he is really not
honing in his skills set at LB..they tried to make the kid superman but have over-worked him..
he might even not make the distance...too bad l be pissed too!

 

[Sport]

I have the utmost respect for TA, especially since he is the product of a Montana high school. That being said I agree that his talents are being mismanaged by the cat coaching staff and it will only be to his detriment in the long run. I think he has the ability to be the cat version of Dante Olson but with the shortsighted vision of their coach he is jeopardizing Troy’s future. Winning at all costs is a disservice to Troy.
I wish Troy all the success in his future with the exception of his games against the Griz. Sorry Troy but it has to stop somewhere.

 

[Ursus1]

When I saw TA carry the ball when he was obviously hurting it was a sign, Choke and company are using him like a rented mule. What's next, will they even play him with concussions to try and squeeze a few more yards out of him before he is completely torn down? I would really worry about my kid going there if I was a parent of their recruits.

 

[jodcon]

Does Troy play LB full-time or do they split his time between offense and defense?

Troy has played game full-time on defense (cal poly). he sat out one game (Norfolk) due to injury, played only 3rd downs (NAU) and then split reps in the other games. It will be interesting to see his offense/defense splits moving forward.

Dante is a great linebacker and a tackling machine.

Not sure what the issue is but Troy isn't healthy right now.

Shocking....they make a guy do literally everything for them and hes hurt. Call me surprised.

That's been my thought on the whole TA experiment, is it sustainable the way they have been using him? We see how players run down on defense when they are forced to be on the field for too long, how must it be for him never knowing if he will also be called to run the ball or take a snap or just be out on offense as a decoy...does he ever have any true down time during a game?

He's an athlete like you rarely see at this level or any level really, but I think they're blowing it by trying to make him all things for every unit, the wear is starting to show and they need to just let him be a great LB or let him be a great RB and stop this rotating stuff before he really gets wore down or constantly banged up which won't help their cause in the long run.

But I'm no Jeff Choach so what do I know?

 

[ilovethecats]

Troy has played game full-time on defense (cal poly). he sat out one game (Norfolk) due to injury, played only 3rd downs (NAU) and then split reps in the other games. It will be interesting to see his offense/defense splits moving forward.

Dante is a great linebacker and a tackling machine.

Not sure what the issue is but Troy isn't healthy right now.

Shocking....they make a guy do literally everything for them and hes hurt. Call me surprised.

That's been my thought on the whole TA experiment, is it sustainable the way they have been using him? We see how players run down on defense when they are forced to be on the field for too long, how must it be for him never knowing if he will also be called to run the ball or take a snap or just be out on offense as a decoy...does he ever have any true down time during a game?

He's an athlete like you rarely see at this level or any level really, but I think they're blowing it by trying to make him all things for every unit, the wear is starting to show and they need to just let him be a great LB or let him be a great RB and stop this rotating stuff before he really gets wore down or constantly banged up which won't help their cause in the long run.

But I'm no Jeff Choach so what do I know?

I understand the concern here and personally I really appreciate it. However, I’m trying to dig up snap counts and I think many people would be surprised at how many snaps Andersen has. Just because he’s talented enough to impact a game on both sides of the ball, doesn’t mean he’s in every play of the game.

How shocked would you be if I told you Olson has played more snaps than Troy?

 

[jodcon]

Not sure what the issue is but Troy isn't healthy right now.

Shocking....they make a guy do literally everything for them and hes hurt. Call me surprised.

That's been my thought on the whole TA experiment, is it sustainable the way they have been using him? We see how players run down on defense when they are forced to be on the field for too long, how must it be for him never knowing if he will also be called to run the ball or take a snap or just be out on offense as a decoy...does he ever have any true down time during a game?

He's an athlete like you rarely see at this level or any level really, but I think they're blowing it by trying to make him all things for every unit, the wear is starting to show and they need to just let him be a great LB or let him be a great RB and stop this rotating stuff before he really gets wore down or constantly banged up which won't help their cause in the long run.

But I'm no Jeff Choach so what do I know?

I understand the concern here and personally I really appreciate it. However, I’m trying to dig up snap counts and I think many people would be surprised at how many snaps Andersen has. Just because he’s talented enough to impact a game on both sides of the ball, doesn’t mean he’s in every play of the game.

How shocked would you be if I told you Olson has played more snaps than Troy?

Not at all, I expect it because Dante is healthy and used correctly. Here's the problem I have, Troy has 160 yards rushing and 18 tackles...is that really indicative of his talent? If the roles were reversed and Olson had those numbers, I as a Griz fan would be pissed because I know he would be a lot more valuable either being a stud anchor for the defense at LB or a stud 6 YPC RB, not whatever he's become by your coaches.

But what do you guys think, do you believe this is the best way to use him for the team overall? Maybe I'm not seeing it like everybody else?

 

[ilovethecats]

Shocking....they make a guy do literally everything for them and hes hurt. Call me surprised.

That's been my thought on the whole TA experiment, is it sustainable the way they have been using him? We see how players run down on defense when they are forced to be on the field for too long, how must it be for him never knowing if he will also be called to run the ball or take a snap or just be out on offense as a decoy...does he ever have any true down time during a game?

He's an athlete like you rarely see at this level or any level really, but I think they're blowing it by trying to make him all things for every unit, the wear is starting to show and they need to just let him be a great LB or let him be a great RB and stop this rotating stuff before he really gets wore down or constantly banged up which won't help their cause in the long run.

But I'm no Jeff Choach so what do I know?

I understand the concern here and personally I really appreciate it. However, I’m trying to dig up snap counts and I think many people would be surprised at how many snaps Andersen has. Just because he’s talented enough to impact a game on both sides of the ball, doesn’t mean he’s in every play of the game.

How shocked would you be if I told you Olson has played more snaps than Troy?

Not at all, I expect it because Dante is healthy and used correctly. Here's the problem I have, Troy has 160 yards rushing and 18 tackles...is that really indicative of his talent? If the roles were reversed and Olson had those numbers, I as a Griz fan would be pissed because I know he would be a lot more valuable either being a stud anchor for the defense at LB or a stud 6 YPC RB, not whatever he's become by your coaches.

But what do you guys think, do you believe this is the best way to use him for the team overall? Maybe I'm not seeing it like everybody else?

The beauty of it from a guy who knows his family is that he’s having the time of his life. He’s playing defense where he wants to play. And the icing on the cake is he gets to carry the rock sometimes too. I won’t speak for anyone else but as a former athlete I’m jealous as hell at what he gets to do every Saturday.

All Troy cares about is winning. He’s said as much. Currentky, as a team, we’re winning. We’re not the MSU Andersen’s.

I literally laughed out loud when I read the comment about how pissed his family is. I get that this is a rivalry but geeze. Having to make up stuff about a 20 year old and his family is terrible. If they are unhappy they are academy award winning actors.

My personal take is I don’t get caught up in the numbers. Football is the ultimate team game. And while I’d love to see Troy with 100 tackles, 10 sacks and a few interceptions....nothing trumps winning. If we start getting killed with this strategy I would 100% support a change.

 

[George Ferguson]

That's been my thought on the whole TA experiment, is it sustainable the way they have been using him? We see how players run down on defense when they are forced to be on the field for too long, how must it be for him never knowing if he will also be called to run the ball or take a snap or just be out on offense as a decoy...does he ever have any true down time during a game?

He's an athlete like you rarely see at this level or any level really, but I think they're blowing it by trying to make him all things for every unit, the wear is starting to show and they need to just let him be a great LB or let him be a great RB and stop this rotating stuff before he really gets wore down or constantly banged up which won't help their cause in the long run.

But I'm no Jeff Choach so what do I know?

I understand the concern here and personally I really appreciate it. However, I’m trying to dig up snap counts and I think many people would be surprised at how many snaps Andersen has. Just because he’s talented enough to impact a game on both sides of the ball, doesn’t mean he’s in every play of the game.

How shocked would you be if I told you Olson has played more snaps than Troy?

Not at all, I expect it because Dante is healthy and used correctly. Here's the problem I have, Troy has 160 yards rushing and 18 tackles...is that really indicative of his talent? If the roles were reversed and Olson had those numbers, I as a Griz fan would be pissed because I know he would be a lot more valuable either being a stud anchor for the defense at LB or a stud 6 YPC RB, not whatever he's become by your coaches.

But what do you guys think, do you believe this is the best way to use him for the team overall? Maybe I'm not seeing it like everybody else?

The beauty of it from a guy who knows his family is that he’s having the time of his life. He’s playing defense where he wants to play. And the icing on the cake is he gets to carry the rock sometimes too. I won’t speak for anyone else but as a former athlete I’m jealous as hell at what he gets to do every Saturday.

All Troy cares about is winning. He’s said as much. Currentky, as a team, we’re winning. We’re not the MSU Andersen’s.

I literally laughed out loud when I read the comment about how pissed his family is. I get that this is a rivalry but geeze. Having to make up stuff about a 20 year old and his family is terrible. If they are unhappy they are academy award winning actors.

My personal take is I don’t get caught up in the numbers. Football is the ultimate team game. And while I’d love to see Troy with 100 tackles, 10 sacks and a few interceptions....nothing trumps winning. If we start getting killed with this strategy I would 100% support a change.

Good post. I don't doubt anything you said. I haven't heard anything negative about Troy's dad's opinion this season. But, and if u know the fam as well as you say you do, you can't honestly say that's NEVER been the case in his time at MSU, because I've been told his dad has been frustrated with the staff prior to this season, and I'm probably the least bias poster on this board and have no reason to make that up.

 

[bgbigdog]

Troy has played game full-time on defense (cal poly). he sat out one game (Norfolk) due to injury, played only 3rd downs (NAU) and then split reps in the other games. It will be interesting to see his offense/defense splits moving forward.

Dante is a great linebacker and a tackling machine.

Not sure what the issue is but Troy isn't healthy right now.

Shocking....they make a guy do literally everything for them and hes hurt. Call me surprised.

That's been my thought on the whole TA experiment, is it sustainable the way they have been using him? We see how players run down on defense when they are forced to be on the field for too long, how must it be for him never knowing if he will also be called to run the ball or take a snap or just be out on offense as a decoy...does he ever have any true down time during a game?

He's an athlete like you rarely see at this level or any level really, but I think they're blowing it by trying to make him all things for every unit, the wear is starting to show and they need to just let him be a great LB or let him be a great RB and stop this rotating stuff before he really gets wore down or constantly banged up which won't help their cause in the long run.

But I'm no Jeff Choach so what do I know?

Why so modest? I’ve been hanging on your every word since you voiced your disagreement with the no rear entry stadium policy. Preach brother.

 

[Bear Axed]

At least Health has absolutely nothing to do with why a non-rated warm California team is sitting at +1 1/2 -120 when playing on the road at a top 10 teams field at Cold Elevation. ...
All things considered. ....


https://www.5dimes.eu/odds/Football/College-Extra/

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Troy's dad is no Matt Cushman, but there are post-college football considerations, so think of that as you might if you were Troy's parent.

 

[ilovethecats]

I understand the concern here and personally I really appreciate it. However, I’m trying to dig up snap counts and I think many people would be surprised at how many snaps Andersen has. Just because he’s talented enough to impact a game on both sides of the ball, doesn’t mean he’s in every play of the game.

How shocked would you be if I told you Olson has played more snaps than Troy?

Not at all, I expect it because Dante is healthy and used correctly. Here's the problem I have, Troy has 160 yards rushing and 18 tackles...is that really indicative of his talent? If the roles were reversed and Olson had those numbers, I as a Griz fan would be pissed because I know he would be a lot more valuable either being a stud anchor for the defense at LB or a stud 6 YPC RB, not whatever he's become by your coaches.

But what do you guys think, do you believe this is the best way to use him for the team overall? Maybe I'm not seeing it like everybody else?

The beauty of it from a guy who knows his family is that he’s having the time of his life. He’s playing defense where he wants to play. And the icing on the cake is he gets to carry the rock sometimes too. I won’t speak for anyone else but as a former athlete I’m jealous as hell at what he gets to do every Saturday.

All Troy cares about is winning. He’s said as much. Currentky, as a team, we’re winning. We’re not the MSU Andersen’s.

I literally laughed out loud when I read the comment about how pissed his family is. I get that this is a rivalry but geeze. Having to make up stuff about a 20 year old and his family is terrible. If they are unhappy they are academy award winning actors.

My personal take is I don’t get caught up in the numbers. Football is the ultimate team game. And while I’d love to see Troy with 100 tackles, 10 sacks and a few interceptions....nothing trumps winning. If we start getting killed with this strategy I would 100% support a change.

Good post. I don't doubt anything you said. I haven't heard anything negative about Troy's dad's opinion this season. But, and if u know the fam as well as you say you do, you can't honestly say that's NEVER been the case in his time at MSU, because I've been told his dad has been frustrated with the staff prior to this season, and I'm probably the least bias poster on this board and have no reason to make that up.

I don't know his family any better than other family members of players. Just interaction before and during games is all. I know his aunt and uncle far better than his folks so I'm not claiming to be an insider or anything.

I have no doubt that he's had frustrations over the years. Why would he be any different than the rest of us fans who were frustrated at times last season? So while I have no direct knowledge I'd concede there were likely times his parents were frustrated. My parents were too. So was I. I'm sure players and coaches too at times.

I'm just saying that everything that I've seen from Troy and his family so far has been very positive. He seems to be having a ball and why wouldn't he? And the high fives and hugs I see every time the kid makes a play seems like they're having fun as well.

 

[Ringneck]

I'm a Griz fan, but I'm also a Troy Andersen fan. He's a Montana kid, a great football player, a good on-field leader, and over the last couple of years he has been a lot of fun to watch no matter who he plays for.

Like a lot of you, I am baffled by the way the Bobcats are under-utilizing him and his athleticism. This guy rushed for almost 2000 yards his first two years, including 1400+ and 21 TDs last year, and this year they seem intent on keeping the ball out of his hands. :?

To me, the fact that MSU is winning without any significant statistical contributions from Troy Andersen is indicative of how good they really are. If he gets healthy and they get more production from him on either side of the ball, they will be tough to beat.