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As far as cuts go, I'm not surprised. I was actually thinking about this the last few days.

Firstly, it sucks for these young men who had to be cut. I can't imagine what that's like, but I hope all of them either find fulfilling playing time elsewhere, or continue with their education and create the best life for themselves that they can.

It was clear that some players just weren't meshing with the new regime. Pflug was a shock, for sure, but like others have said, if Gresch Jensen is the guy that Stitt wants, it puts Pflug in a weird position to stay and be a backup.

I don't know what impact this will have on the team, I just know that we have to trust that it'll work out and that it's for the best. If these guys really do have an effort problem, then I don't know how we can second guess Stitt here. He was hired to bring winning back to Montana after a period where it seemed to me, at least, that coaches let the culture and program get soft.

It's way too early to pass a lot of judgement on Stitt or anyone for these cuts.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Well, there it is. Marketing 101. He is giving a "response" about information that he possessed at the outset, but felt no need to communicate in any fashion with the public he relies on for support, enthusiasm, donations and ... recruits. He is complaining that the "message" that he could have controlled at the outset got screwed up because he felt no need to communicate that message to anyone. What did he expect? As one player already publicly complained, hey coach, "this is all about these kid's lives and futures," it's not all about "you."

The fact that this is a "response" already means he is one step too late; the horses were out of the barn. Where does "responsibility" lie? Where does "accountability" begin? Is it always going to be "someone else's fault?" Is he communicating a profound double standard here?

"Misreporting?" Well, its not because anyone misquoted Bob Stitt, did they?

Not a good press conference.

Marketing 102: Don't do press conferences when you're mad.
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Signed,

Nick Saban
 
grizsdf said:
get'em_griz said:
grizsdf said:
BDizzle said:
Stitt better have a plan. I'm not a fan of cutting players that have been with the system for awhile and have worked hard.
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He told the team that the roster would have a new look come spring in yesterdays team meeting. What really should be talked about is the overwhelming amount of dislike the players have for this guy. The complete opposite of a players coach he treats his guys like crap.
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I'm calling BS on this one.
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I have about 1000% more knowledge on this than you :thumb:
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Yup, I assume you do. It's always funny to see posters with little or no information questioning and doubting people who do have information.
 
This happens with every coaching change. It will happen with the Cats and their new coach in the next year too. Even Delaney moved people into the "not gonna play" column.

When it does, you have 2 groups of pissed people on the team. 1 - the players who have learned that they can stay, with virtually no chance of getting reps or seeing the field (and their families). 2 - those players' close friends on the team, who even though they are playing, are pissed at the coach for essentially cutting their buddies.

It will take another year or two to work through the changes. Those that are remaining with the team should also realize that Stitt is going to be bringing in "his guys" to challenge for their position too. That is competitive sports.

I feel bad for the kids it happened to, but this is good training for life. It happens in jobs, relationships, etc. Sometimes your boss likes someone else better. Sometimes someone else is better than you.

I have known a lot of coaches. The one thing that everyone needs to remember is that these guys are coaching for their jobs. The thought that they wouldn't put the players that they think will do the best job on the field is just comical.
 
grizpack said:
This happens with every coaching change. It will happen with the Cats and their new coach in the next year too. Even Delaney moved people into the "not gonna play" column.

When it does, you have 2 groups of pissed people on the team. 1 - the players who have learned that they can stay, with virtually no chance of getting reps or seeing the field (and their families). 2 - those players' close friends on the team, who even though they are playing, are pissed at the coach for essentially cutting their buddies.

It will take another year or two to work through the changes. Those that are remaining with the team should also realize that Stitt is going to be bringing in "his guys" to challenge for their position too. That is competitive sports.

I feel bad for the kids it happened to, but this is good training for life. It happens in jobs, relationships, etc. Sometimes your boss likes someone else better. Sometimes someone else is better than you.

I have known a lot of coaches. The one thing that everyone needs to remember is that these guys are coaching for their jobs. The thought that they wouldn't put the players that they think will do the best job on the field is just comical.
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THIS!! You want them to win first, then this is the move he has to make. I think the only mistake Stitt may have made is perhaps he isn't as media savvy as he needs to be and it's only a theory. My point being that maybe he forgot how quickly things can spread in this day and age. Everyone can be a reporter in the 21st century.
 
bobcatOninetails said:
I think the only mistake Stitt may have made is perhaps he isn't as media savvy as he needs to be and it's only a theory. My point being that maybe he forgot how quickly things can spread in this day and age. Everyone can be a reporter in the 21st century.
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I don't think it's a "theory" any more.

Every reporter has a duty to try and get the "news," and at least at this level, "get it right." As a sports reporter, I found one of the biggest sources of misinformation were the players themselves. Not intentionally, but 18, 19, 20 year olds sometimes just don't process information accurately, and among themselves, can generate all sorts of undercurrents and comments. On the other hand, their native honesty often provides a valuable source of information. Too, when contacted by a "reporter" they are flattered, and often purport to know more than they know, and what kind of "inside" information they have on the coach or the team. After some level of experience, every sports reporter is aware of and sensitive to those pitfalls, but not immune, to them happening.

This same process and relationship can affect the relationship of the coach and the team. In this day and age, its all about communication. Frankly, the more the better. Stitt seems to have an aversion to it, and I can't see any good reason why.

This one should have been pretty straightforward. You've got to terminate two kids, because they just don't fit with future directions. Congratulate them on their efforts and contributions, issue an immediate press release giving them a pat on the back and best wishes and an explanation that doesn't imply or impugn anything or anyone, and ... "problem solved" before there is one.

These are still public institutions, and these are still people's kids. If we want those kids to want to come here, we need to act accordingly because coaches are the most public face we have.
 
Well, once again, I have to eat my words. I have said here several times Willy looked great. I have to admit I don't know "Jack S**T" about evaluating QBs. And, I find it hard to believe, no matter how "Intuitive" you may be, that anyone saw this coming.
 
".......This one should have been pretty straightforward. You've got to terminate two kids, because they just don't fit with future directions. Congratulate them on their efforts and contributions, issue an immediate press release giving them a pat on the back and best wishes and an explanation that doesn't imply or impugn anything or anyone, and ... "problem solved" before there is one....."

That still hurts. My guess is he didn't want to bring any more attention to the events by making it a big deal. (Even if it was of course to the players and others) He certainly overlooked the fact that this information was going to make it out before spring ball in one form or another.

Sounds to me like maybe he hoped the players involved would have moved on to bigger and better things by the time spring roster came out and it wouldn't bite so hard that he let them go.

Just a guess.
 
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Everyone can PRETEND TO be a reporter in the 21st century, and has INSTANT ACCESS to a world wide platform.
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FIFY.




As to being more media savy, or Griz75's complaints about Stitt, keep in mind the early sh#t storm here is because some in the media posted unconfirmed rumors as if they were a done deal. This is why everyone should wait until the individual players posted it. So all you Solomons, tell me how ultimately it should be handled;

A) All players are called into the field house, stripped of their phones, then forces to sit until the coaches had individually spoken with each one. Then the coaches give the media info on anyone being released while the team is still there (without their phones)?

B) Speak with individual player and inform them if they are being released, then immediately issue press releases on each one?

C) Speak with individual players and inform them if they are being released. Then not tell the press anything until a later date when the official roster has been updated?


What the staff did is the best way to handle it. If a player chose to they could post it or not. It was their choice and consequently some of this will just trickle out. On the other hand, if I heard from a friend, or another player, or any third party source that somebody was released I can pretend to be a journalist and post it. Though it would be lousy of me to do so if I didn't know it for a fact.

In the end, nobody should name individuals unless they were told by that player or the coaching staff.
 
My guess: X-mas (winter, holiday, whatever) is coming up. Give the cut kids the news now so they have as much time to plan with their families what to do before next semester. Make the press release when students are gone from campus so the cut kids don't have to deal with the crap coming their way now. I'm sure these kids feel jilted and dealt with that by speaking to friends to get it off their chests. Once more than one person knows a secret, its not a secret...
 
it seems like most of us keep going back to Willy's talent. There is no doubt the kid has some skills. Maybe it goes beyond that maybe there was some attitude or other issues that we are unaware of. i'm sure it will all come out in the long run but I keep thinking there's got to be something more to the story.
 
Is Phlug the kid that was caught on the mic saying he loved the university of montana..and couldn't be happier with his decision?
 
bobcatOninetails said:
grizpack said:
This happens with every coaching change. It will happen with the Cats and their new coach in the next year too. Even Delaney moved people into the "not gonna play" column.

When it does, you have 2 groups of pissed people on the team. 1 - the players who have learned that they can stay, with virtually no chance of getting reps or seeing the field (and their families). 2 - those players' close friends on the team, who even though they are playing, are pissed at the coach for essentially cutting their buddies.

It will take another year or two to work through the changes. Those that are remaining with the team should also realize that Stitt is going to be bringing in "his guys" to challenge for their position too. That is competitive sports.

I feel bad for the kids it happened to, but this is good training for life. It happens in jobs, relationships, etc. Sometimes your boss likes someone else better. Sometimes someone else is better than you.

I have known a lot of coaches. The one thing that everyone needs to remember is that these guys are coaching for their jobs. The thought that they wouldn't put the players that they think will do the best job on the field is just comical.
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THIS!! You want them to win first, then this is the move he has to make. I think the only mistake Stitt may have made is perhaps he isn't as media savvy as he needs to be and it's only a theory. My point being that maybe he forgot how quickly things can spread in this day and age. Everyone can be a reporter in the 21st century.
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Yes coaches play athletes that they think will get them wins. It's about survival. Stitt knows that the expectations of him are high.....For his own sake, hopefully he makes the right decisions.....
 
grizpack said:
This happens with every coaching change. It will happen with the Cats and their new coach in the next year too. Even Delaney moved people into the "not gonna play" column.

When it does, you have 2 groups of pissed people on the team. 1 - the players who have learned that they can stay, with virtually no chance of getting reps or seeing the field (and their families). 2 - those players' close friends on the team, who even though they are playing, are pissed at the coach for essentially cutting their buddies.

It will take another year or two to work through the changes. Those that are remaining with the team should also realize that Stitt is going to be bringing in "his guys" to challenge for their position too. That is competitive sports.

I feel bad for the kids it happened to, but this is good training for life. It happens in jobs, relationships, etc. Sometimes your boss likes someone else better. Sometimes someone else is better than you.

I have known a lot of coaches. The one thing that everyone needs to remember is that these guys are coaching for their jobs. The thought that they wouldn't put the players that they think will do the best job on the field is just comical.
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Bobby made himself immediately popular, by telling the starters that they'd have to earn their positions again.
Most of the seniors/juniors disliked or hated him. Some softened their views over time; some didn't. Some grew to appreciate him more after they graduated; some couldn't even do that. I think many of the younger guys didn't have, or came to not have, that much of a negative view of him.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Is Phlug the kid that was caught on the mic saying he loved the university of montana..and couldn't be happier with his decision?
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No, that was Pflug.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Is Phlug the kid that was caught on the mic saying he loved the university of montana..and couldn't be happier with his decision?
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Yup

Note that 'spell check' egrizzer pulled the 'h' out of name......like that ever happens with their posts!
I was surprised too at his name showing up as well as others. Mr. Stitt must have some plan in play, he make have some difficulty recruiting schools that produced the players cut.
 
GRIZFAN20 said:
Very surprised to see Plug cut, but like the rest of us, that is based on things we hear/read from those "in the know." Honestly surprised Stitt cut Plug but kept Prater considering he played Lucas ahead of Prater when the time came. Sad to see Chase cut too after all the struggles he's gone through injury wise.

Like everyone says, Stitt must have a plan in place. You don't cut players without believing you can replace them with better players to fit your system.
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No schollie is gained by cutting Prater.
 
It sounds like Willy kind of saw this coming based on AJ's article that just posted on the Missoulian web site and they tried to work things out. Sounds like he is taking the high ground on the change wishing everyone the best.
 
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