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Criswell To Western
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Bear Axed said:
and this "kitty" dreams the day where bearaxed actually talks good smack instead of forming random words into a sentance that somehow makes sence but what makes even some griz fans think.....DAMN AND WE CLAME HIM AS A FAN!
I like Criswell but I like all the Griz. For a few years he was my reason to go to a game. Give me 5 Criswells anyday. I will not win all my games but I will have a lot of fun. Gonzaga game I will always remember Criswell turning the Zags inside out in Missoula. Criswell is still my man although this year all of the Griz have had some moments. (good and others) I am real pleased with last nights results. I do not want to take anything away from Virgil, Andrew, and Matt. But as support for Criswell I do like the 9 rebounds. I am again working on the the field goal percentage but must assume Criswell was trying to and will continue to get to the line. Great season Griz. Now lets let this thread die and sink out of sight. Anklebreakers
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I hate to break it you Gym Rat, but 40% from the field, 29% from three and 78 % from the line is not what you want your guards to shoot, rather poor for a first-team all-conference selection. If your basketball knowledge wasn't so limited, you would realize that most good shooters around the country shoot over 50% from the field, over 40% from the three and over 80% from the line. I'm sure you'll respond with some unparalled Eastern A knowledge, but the fact of the matter is that he's going to shoot whehter he is on or off every game. I'm not taking anything away from how hard he plays, but when you're not hitting your shots, quit shooting (1-8).
Anklebreakers said:
My basketball knowledge is limited??? Who the hell are you to say? Have you ever heard of a guy named JJ Redick? You know that kid that plays for Duke who has a chance at player of the year? Guess what his FG% is? 41.6%. Over 50%? Puh-lease. :roll:
I never said Kevin's percentages were great, but I also said they weren't bad. Some players from around the Big Sky:
Jason Harris: 41.8%
Marc Axton: 40.8%
Ja'Ron Jefferson: 44.6%
Deshawn Freeman: 38.0%
Jameel Pugh: 39.4%
Kyle Feurbach: 43.5%
Jeff Gardner: 34.2%
Branden Miller: 37.9%
Kelly Golob: 38.7%
Danny Pariseau: 37.7%
Jake Schroeder: 42.7%
Would you like me to continue? Guess what the average FG% for this list is? 39.9%. Under 40%. My basketball knowledge is limited?? You're 50% is a dream stat.
It's obvious that you jump to conclusions without doing any research. So would you do us all a favor and before you decide to stick your foot in your mouth again, find some proof to back up your statements.
Shooters have off-nights. The only way to get through them is to keep shooting. Yeah, Kevin may have shot 1-8 last night, but he scored 9 points off of 8 shots. That's +1 points per shot. Anything above 1 point per shot is a decent night. You can take that basketball knowledge to the bank.
That's 2 in a row anklebreakers. Do you really want to keep coming back for more??
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Gym Rat: The only argument you previously made that holds any water is the 50% field goal percentage being somewhat high (45% more reasonable). I don't care what the rest of these brick-layers in the conference shoot, the conference is possibly the worst in the country and is why the Grizzlies will be playing a number one seed. My original argument that you haven't overcome is that good shooters around the country are over 40% from three and around 45-50% from the field. No matter how bad you want to tell yourself Criswell's percentages are good (40 and 29%), the statistics clearly show the contrary. I have heard of a guy named JJ Reddick and I have also heard of a guy named Salim Stoudamire (Arizona) who shoots 52% from the field and 53% from three. So to say that my 50% field goal percentage is a dream is obviously a reality in this case playing against much stiffer competition. As far as your completely ridicolous 1+ points to shot theory, my only guess would be that you adhere to the Allen Iverson school of thought.
Before we get into a turf war about Criswell we need to understand a couple of things,
1. Tell me how a college kid could possibly be so infalible that when he shoots 29% from three that somehow it is his fault for being a 'primadona' or a headcase. Fact is that shooting 29% with a hand in your face is far more difficult than spot shooting in practice. Heck I can make 50 out of a 100 3 pointers with no one on me.
2. Criswell is a quality kid. For a primary perimeter shooter to shoot around 40% for the year is pretty good. Salim is an exception to that rule, but shooting at or around 40% is pretty good. Salim also finishes a good many of his shots around teh basket...Normally the only players that shoot 50% or above are post players who spend their existence within 5 feet of the basket. JJ Reddick is shooting 43% for the year.
3. Shooting 79% from the freethrow line in a era where shooting is unimportant or deemphasized is pretty dang good. Take Rashad McCants who is undoubtedly better than Criswell shoots to you an unimpressive 73% from the line, though he shoots almost 40% from the 3 point line.
4. As a coach myself, with ONLY one solid perimeter player this year, found it difficult to create offensive sets to get good open looks. Think of it this way...JJ Reddick most of the time has to settle shooting 23 footers versus a 19-9 shot. Look at where Carolina put him in teh second half...your odds at hitting clear open 3 points when you are the man from the perimeter...is just as like as shaquile oneal recieving an uncontested dunk with no one around.
5. Criswell's game has declined because he doesn't have David Bell around anymore. David Bell wasn't a man you could leave open. Since then there hasn't been a player that demanded that type of attention from the perimeter. Criswell had free looks at the basket why, because coaching dictates taking away better perimter threats. Why do you suspect Matt Martin has put up more 3's than Criswell? Because he is more talented? I think not...because as I wittnessed in that EWU game that had a guy wrapped around Criswell the whole game. Martin has the ball in his hands more than Criswell does. The best way to make sure that a player doesn't score consistently is ensuring that he doesn't get the ball.
6. Unlike post players who by themselves can dominate games, strict perimeter threats who don't have the foot speed of a Salim Stoudamire, have trouble getting good lucks to create shots, whereas on teh other hand if you get the basketball to Kamarr with his back to the basket there are things you can do. But if Criswell is getting the ball 22-25 feet away from the basket...Odds are he isn't going to get a high percentage shot off.
7. What Criswell need is an additional consistent scoring threat from the perimeter. Look at what Weber St did to Katie Edwards the other night? Lindsey Monaco went for 21 and 9, why, because weber st wasn't going to let Katie Edwards beat them... The lady griz would be unreal if they could get 10-15 from Monaco every night...just as the men would be great if Martin scored 16 every night, but remember in the EWU game where Criswell scored 10 on onyl 7 shots...Martin didn't score a point...
You are going to get 12-10 from Spencer Allred or Kamaar davis most nights...but you will be lucky to get 15 consistently from Criswell...not because he is a crappy player, but because he is an average athletic talent, great basketball talent and is a hustle player...and he is easier to defend with an athletic player...than Kamaar is.
So honestly, I think your frustration with Criswell is misplaced...The fact is he is a lot like Mike Warhank. Criswell has ALWAYS scored. He has the right to be frustrated because he is a competitor and is the consumate shooter...he doesn't care if he misses...and frankly as that goes I would rather have Criswell shoot 130 3 pointers than say for example even Martin, Mathews, or anyone else other than maybe Dlhouy.
1. Tell me how a college kid could possibly be so infalible that when he shoots 29% from three that somehow it is his fault for being a 'primadona' or a headcase. Fact is that shooting 29% with a hand in your face is far more difficult than spot shooting in practice. Heck I can make 50 out of a 100 3 pointers with no one on me.
2. Criswell is a quality kid. For a primary perimeter shooter to shoot around 40% for the year is pretty good. Salim is an exception to that rule, but shooting at or around 40% is pretty good. Salim also finishes a good many of his shots around teh basket...Normally the only players that shoot 50% or above are post players who spend their existence within 5 feet of the basket. JJ Reddick is shooting 43% for the year.
3. Shooting 79% from the freethrow line in a era where shooting is unimportant or deemphasized is pretty dang good. Take Rashad McCants who is undoubtedly better than Criswell shoots to you an unimpressive 73% from the line, though he shoots almost 40% from the 3 point line.
4. As a coach myself, with ONLY one solid perimeter player this year, found it difficult to create offensive sets to get good open looks. Think of it this way...JJ Reddick most of the time has to settle shooting 23 footers versus a 19-9 shot. Look at where Carolina put him in teh second half...your odds at hitting clear open 3 points when you are the man from the perimeter...is just as like as shaquile oneal recieving an uncontested dunk with no one around.
5. Criswell's game has declined because he doesn't have David Bell around anymore. David Bell wasn't a man you could leave open. Since then there hasn't been a player that demanded that type of attention from the perimeter. Criswell had free looks at the basket why, because coaching dictates taking away better perimter threats. Why do you suspect Matt Martin has put up more 3's than Criswell? Because he is more talented? I think not...because as I wittnessed in that EWU game that had a guy wrapped around Criswell the whole game. Martin has the ball in his hands more than Criswell does. The best way to make sure that a player doesn't score consistently is ensuring that he doesn't get the ball.
6. Unlike post players who by themselves can dominate games, strict perimeter threats who don't have the foot speed of a Salim Stoudamire, have trouble getting good lucks to create shots, whereas on teh other hand if you get the basketball to Kamarr with his back to the basket there are things you can do. But if Criswell is getting the ball 22-25 feet away from the basket...Odds are he isn't going to get a high percentage shot off.
7. What Criswell need is an additional consistent scoring threat from the perimeter. Look at what Weber St did to Katie Edwards the other night? Lindsey Monaco went for 21 and 9, why, because weber st wasn't going to let Katie Edwards beat them... The lady griz would be unreal if they could get 10-15 from Monaco every night...just as the men would be great if Martin scored 16 every night, but remember in the EWU game where Criswell scored 10 on onyl 7 shots...Martin didn't score a point...
You are going to get 12-10 from Spencer Allred or Kamaar davis most nights...but you will be lucky to get 15 consistently from Criswell...not because he is a crappy player, but because he is an average athletic talent, great basketball talent and is a hustle player...and he is easier to defend with an athletic player...than Kamaar is.
So honestly, I think your frustration with Criswell is misplaced...The fact is he is a lot like Mike Warhank. Criswell has ALWAYS scored. He has the right to be frustrated because he is a competitor and is the consumate shooter...he doesn't care if he misses...and frankly as that goes I would rather have Criswell shoot 130 3 pointers than say for example even Martin, Mathews, or anyone else other than maybe Dlhouy.
I agree with many of those things...
A few things I think
1. Martin has a a quicker shot and what I personally think a better 3 pt shot than Criswell. With tight defense he can still get shots off.
2. Criswell is a much better driver, I would like to see him penetrating, and gettin layups, or getting other guys good looks.
p.s. - I love the 3 guard lineup, Virgil has done so much for this team its amazing.
A few things I think
1. Martin has a a quicker shot and what I personally think a better 3 pt shot than Criswell. With tight defense he can still get shots off.
2. Criswell is a much better driver, I would like to see him penetrating, and gettin layups, or getting other guys good looks.
p.s. - I love the 3 guard lineup, Virgil has done so much for this team its amazing.
Thank you Grizfan-24. My rebuttle is not needed, but what the heck. 
Salim Stoudamire is the exception, not the rule. You just used the best shooter college bball has seen in quite a while as your standard. Are you going to show me Jerry West's stats next?
45% FG is closer, but its still inflated, 40% or above is decent.
Kevin's 3 point percentage could be better this year. I'd like to see it more around 33-35%. If you want to focus on his 3 point shooting, I'll agree with you. He has been settling for too many outside shots this year.
1.25 PPS is a decent stat. Anything above that is good. Anything below 1 PPS is bad.
Oh yeah...by the way, Kevin's PPS on the year: 1.41. I'll take that from a guard any day.
Salim Stoudamire is the exception, not the rule. You just used the best shooter college bball has seen in quite a while as your standard. Are you going to show me Jerry West's stats next?
45% FG is closer, but its still inflated, 40% or above is decent.
Kevin's 3 point percentage could be better this year. I'd like to see it more around 33-35%. If you want to focus on his 3 point shooting, I'll agree with you. He has been settling for too many outside shots this year.
1.25 PPS is a decent stat. Anything above that is good. Anything below 1 PPS is bad.
Oh yeah...by the way, Kevin's PPS on the year: 1.41. I'll take that from a guard any day.
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