County Has 5 Lawyers Prosecuting Johnson

[kurtismichael]

according to the paper it is because of the huge amount of info (text messages, etc) the defense has requested.

How slow do they read? One lawyer could read all of the requested material in a day. My guess is that there have been materials, like texts, that undercut the case, and they've trying to figure out a way not to produce them.

I agree how long does it take to read an average length text. Not very.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

I have a hard time believing this case will take three weeks, unless everyone who attended the Foresters' Ball shows up to testify.

 

[argh!]

according to the paper it is because of the huge amount of info (text messages, etc) the defense has requested.

How slow do they read? One lawyer could read all of the requested material in a day. My guess is that there have been materials, like texts, that undercut the case, and they've trying to figure out a way not to produce them.

i'm just reporting what i read in the mausoleum, m'am. having said that, trying to piece together the meaning of a bunch of text messages alternately going to different people is not the same as just reading them in order. can the attorneys request the messages sent to her, too?

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

Griz fans really need to quit defending a rapist

CORRECTION: "Potential" rapist.

 

[msuhunter]

Griz fans really need to quit defending a rapist

CORRECTION: "Alleged" rapist.

FIFY

 

[msuhunter]

according to the paper it is because of the huge amount of info (text messages, etc) the defense has requested.

How slow do they read? One lawyer could read all of the requested material in a day. My guess is that there have been materials, like texts, that undercut the case, and they've trying to figure out a way not to produce them.

you're such an idiot. this is huge ethical violation for prosecutors and could potentially lead to disbarrment. i feel sorry for people that have to interact with you on a daily basis.

No, you are the idiot. There are legal and ethical ways not to produce everything requested in every case, including especially in cases involving sexual assault. Historical medical records? Prior sexual contacts? What about communications between the accuser and her civil legal counsel, perhaps protected by attorney-client privilege? What about arguably completely irrelevant texts? What about communications in connection the proceeding at the university, which may involve state or federal privacy laws? The county attorney has already indicated, publicly, that some of the requested information probably doesn't have to be produced. The county attorneys office is surely researching various (legal and ethical) ways of not producing information, or requesting the judge to rule in their favor. I believe the county attorney has asked the judge to review certain requested information.

How dumb are you. Plus you are dick.

Pot ... This is Kettle ... Nice of you two to meet ...

 

[granitegriz]

5 attorneys for the prosecution isn't unheard of for such a case, but lining up pro bono msuhunter to make cookies and brownies and milkshakes for Van Valkenburg during the trial is over the top, plus I hear he has to keep the defib warmed up too! :shock:

 

[Griz90]

If I was the defense attorney on this case I would attempt to place 12 college-educated women over the age of 30 on the jury. There is no way an intelligent, mature woman could convict JJ based on the wishy-washy statements this accuser has made. The accuser isn't helping the feminist cause - she's hurting it. And any sensible woman will see that when the defense makes its case.

 

[blackfoot griz]

Justification for 5?

"I'm reading this slowly because that's how I roll" <--nope
"I'm reading this slowly because I'm paid by the hour", <--bingo

The pro bono dude is a smokescreen for the other 4.

 

[WaGriz4life]

If I was the defense attorney on this case I would attempt to place 12 college-educated women over the age of 30 on the jury. There is no way an intelligent, mature woman could convict JJ based on the wishy-washy statements this accuser has made. The accuser isn't helping the feminist cause - she's hurting it. And any sensible woman will see that when the defense makes its case.

I'm with you. No self respecting woman would have any sympathy for this girl.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I assume the four attorneys from the county attorney's office are on salary, and won't receive any extra compensation for the hours spent on this case. Their salaries are a fixed cost. So the argument that this will cost "additional tax dollars" is wrong.

Nonetheless, still a tough case for a prosecutor.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

I assume the four attorneys from the county attorney's office are on salary, and won't receive any extra compensation for the hours spent on this case. Their salaries are a fixed cost. So the argument that this will cost "additional tax dollars" is wrong.

Nonetheless, still a tough case for a prosecutor.

Probably correct. However, tying up so many lawyers and resources on the Johnson case may impact the availability of lawyers and resources on other cases. And it could cause the county attorneys office to ask for funding for additional lawyers or to request more resources from the attorney generals office on other cases. The county already asked for an additional $100,000 of county budget funds for outside counsel or otherwise, to assist in dealing with the DOJ investigation. If more of the lawyers in the county attorneys office are tied up on the Johnson matter, they won't have as much time to deal with other cases, the DOJ investigation, etc. Generally, using more salaried resources isn't necessarily free.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Probably correct. However, tying up so many lawyers and resources on the Johnson case may impact the availability of lawyers and resources on other cases. And it could cause the county attorneys office to ask for funding for additional lawyers or to request more resources from the attorney generals office on other cases. The county already asked for an additional $100,000 of county budget funds for outside counsel or otherwise, to assist in dealing with the DOJ investigation. If more of the lawyers in the county attorneys office are tied up on the Johnson matter, they won't have as much time to deal with other cases, the DOJ investigation, etc. Generally, using more salaried resources isn't necessarily free.

No argument here.

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's an informational quote from a tv station article:

"Johnson's attorneys told the judge they still need 10 evidentiary items from the prosecutors, including what they consider to be "critical e-mails.

"The police report references the remorse and the confusion that the complaining witness has shown in the writings," said Jordan Johnson's defense attorney, David Paoli.

Prosecutors promised to give the defense the e-mails and the alleged victims counseling records by the end of this week.

The defense also wants more information on text messages exchanged between Johnson, the alleged victim and others in this case.

"The number of the texts, the person who it was sent to or received from and the telephone number, but importantly the date," said Paoli.

Prosecutors say they've done everything the court asked them to do in relation to the texts.

"As for the text messages, what I have done is comply with the statute, which indicates that the state, if a party thinks that something is not discoverable, then that it has to be reviewed by the court," said Assistant Chief Deputy Missoula County Attorney, Suzy Boylan.

The judge said she will review the text messages and make a ruling on what should be released by mid-November."

http://www.ktvq.com/news/trial-set-for-suspended-university-of-montana-qb-accused-of-rape/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Grizzlies1982]

I assume the four attorneys from the county attorney's office are on salary, and won't receive any extra compensation for the hours spent on this case. Their salaries are a fixed cost. So the argument that this will cost "additional tax dollars" is wrong.

Nonetheless, still a tough case for a prosecutor.

Any case of this nature may be difficult to prosecute. Though this one no more so than any other. As to the pay for the five prosecutors;

3 from the County Attorney's office (salaried)
1 from private practice (pro bono)
1 from State Attorney General's office (salary).

So in terms of expenses;

Steve Bullock's decision to send over a State prosecutor is "additional tax dollars" from every Montanan.

The County Attorney's decision to use three of his prosecutors is "additional tax dollars" from every resident of Missoula County since these cases typically would have just one assigned.

Overall a very expensive case considering the man hours committed to obtain this conviction.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

The judge said she will review the text messages and make a ruling on what should be released by mid-November."

http://www.ktvq.com/news/trial-set-for-suspended-university-of-montana-qb-accused-of-rape/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, like the prosecutors, I suppose the Judge will be bringing in four more Judges to assist with reading all that material?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Steve Bullock's decision to send over a State prosecutor is "additional tax dollars" from every Montanan.

The County Attorney's decision to use three of his prosecutors is "additional tax dollars" from every resident of Missoula County since these cases typically would have just one assigned.

No, because even if those attorneys weren't prosecuting this case, we'd still be paying their salaries. That's why it's a "fixed" cost.

 

[dupuyer griz]

Steve Bullock's decision to send over a State prosecutor is "additional tax dollars" from every Montanan.

The County Attorney's decision to use three of his prosecutors is "additional tax dollars" from every resident of Missoula County since these cases typically would have just one assigned.

No, because even if those attorneys weren't prosecuting this case, we'd still be paying their salaries. That's why it's a "fixed" cost.

Yes, but they could be doing some really important shit instead of circle jerking one case together. Just because we're already paying for it doesn't mean we aren't technically paying more. 5 people to do 1 persons job? Office Space comes to mind..."I have 8 bosses." "I beg your pardon Peter"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2_Yi-1Ryf4[/youtube]

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I'm not tryng to be a dick here, but no, there isn't additional cost, for staff or office space. They're both fixed costs.

 

[dupuyer griz]

I'm not tryng to be a dick here, but no, there isn't additional cost, for staff or office space. They're both fixed costs.

nor am I trying to be a dick here, but the cost per unit of actual work accomplished is considerably higher. Should there be 4 teachers in a classroom or one? It would be great to have 4 but 1 can do the job. There would be no additional cost, but 3 classrooms don't have a teacher. Likewise, it is good to have extra help when needed, but 1 can do the job, there are 3 cases without prosecutors.