Conference realignment talks hit the Mountain West

[AllWeatherFan]

The “chance to play for a national championship” is the same in the Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA levels as it is in the FCS. So that should be good enough for all of us, right?

 

[fanofzoo]

The “chance to play for a national championship” is the same in the Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA levels as it is in the FCS. So that should be good enough for all of us, right?

Do you want to play for pride or just be a whore.

 

[Spanky2]

We are regarded by many as a Division2 school. FCS has a negative impact on our other athletic programs such as basketball. Hurts image and recruiting—yes, enrollment as well.

 

[get'em_griz]

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1443621315899011081?s=20

 

[Spanky2]

So winning a national championship would mean nothing to you then? I realize that the FCS doesn’t get a lot of coverage but come on Everett. Sports are about competing for a championship. As much as these major conferences sometime struggle to understand this, sports is not about money. I’d love to see the players take a vote on whether they’d like to compete for a championship or play in a second rate bowl game, cause I think I know what the answer would be. There will come a time where a move up maybe worth it but that time is not now and not until the G5 has a reasonable playoff system. Until that’s the case, I have no desire to go anywhere.

If you are at a FCS, of course you want to win the championship. If you are a majority of the high school football players, you want to play FBS football and don't care about the FCS playoffs.

Right on!

 

[Griz til I die]

We are regarded by many as a Division2 school. FCS has a negative impact on our other athletic programs such as basketball. Hurts image and recruiting—yes, enrollment as well.

Ok now you're just pulling shit out of your ass Spanky. It does not have a negative impact on enrollment, look no further than MSU. Has their enrollment been hurt by playing FCS football? There's also no direct correlation between football and basketball. App State won the Sun Belt conference and they had to play in the play in game. The Sun Belt is an FBS conference and may I remind you that since the tournament has expanded to 68 teams, the Big Sky has NEVER played in the play in round. Our image and recruiting also has not been hurt by the fact that we play in the FCS. In fact, I think the Griz could probably beat more than half of the Mountain West teams this year. None of what you said above is true.

 

[Spanky2]

We are regarded by many as a Division2 school. FCS has a negative impact on our other athletic programs such as basketball. Hurts image and recruiting—yes, enrollment as well.

Ok now you're just pulling shit out of your ass Spanky. It does not have a negative impact on enrollment, look no further than MSU. Has their enrollment been hurt by playing FCS football? There's also no direct correlation between football and basketball. App State won the Sun Belt conference and they had to play in the play in game. The Sun Belt is an FBS conference and may I remind you that since the tournament has expanded to 68 teams, the Big Sky has NEVER played in the play in round. Our image and recruiting also has not been hurt by the fact that we play in the FCS. In fact, I think the Griz could probably beat more than half of the Mountain West teams this year. None of what you said above is true.

It’s all true and you know it.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The “chance to play for a national championship” is the same in the Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA levels as it is in the FCS. So that should be good enough for all of us, right?

Do you want to play for pride or just be a whore.

Just a whore, but with very select customers.

 

[Griz til I die]

Ok now you're just pulling shit out of your ass Spanky. It does not have a negative impact on enrollment, look no further than MSU. Has their enrollment been hurt by playing FCS football? There's also no direct correlation between football and basketball. App State won the Sun Belt conference and they had to play in the play in game. The Sun Belt is an FBS conference and may I remind you that since the tournament has expanded to 68 teams, the Big Sky has NEVER played in the play in round. Our image and recruiting also has not been hurt by the fact that we play in the FCS. In fact, I think the Griz could probably beat more than half of the Mountain West teams this year. None of what you said above is true.

It’s all true and you know it.

No it's literally not and I just gave you concrete evidence on all of your claims to prove that it's not true. If you wanna live in some alternate universe that's fine but your claims are false. I'm sorry I proved you wrong but you can't just make claims like that without evidence to back it up.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The “chance to play for a national championship” is the same in the Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA levels as it is in the FCS. So that should be good enough for all of us, right?

I bet we would play in many more "real" championship games if we moved down to DII. We'd likely be in it every year. It would help recruiting tremendously.

 

[kemajic]

It’s all true and you know it.

No it's literally not and I just gave you concrete evidence on all of your claims to prove that it's not true. If you wanna live in some alternate universe that's fine but your claims are false. I'm sorry I proved you wrong but you can't just make claims like that without evidence to back it up.

Really, just what did you prove?

 

[DoubleNicks]

Do you want to play for pride or just be a whore.

Just a whore, but with very select customers.

Fun trivia fact: Tommy Boy is actually a sports movie with the old lady dropping all the lower division championship football talk.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRqmr8rnKUg[/media]

 

[Spanky2]

It’s all true and you know it.

No it's literally not and I just gave you concrete evidence on all of your claims to prove that it's not true. If you wanna live in some alternate universe that's fine but your claims are false. I'm sorry I proved you wrong but you can't just make claims like that without evidence to back it up.

Evidence? I don’t think so. More like your opinion. How about making a random call to a scholarship FBS athlete at Notre Dame, Texas or a school of your choice. Ask him/her what NCAA Division the University of Montana competes in competitive sports? That will be your evidence.

 

[Griz til I die]

No it's literally not and I just gave you concrete evidence on all of your claims to prove that it's not true. If you wanna live in some alternate universe that's fine but your claims are false. I'm sorry I proved you wrong but you can't just make claims like that without evidence to back it up.

Evidence? I don’t think so. More like your opinion. How about making a random call to a scholarship FBS athlete at Notre Dame, Texas or a school of your choice. Ask him/her what NCAA Division the University of Montana competes in competitive sports? That will be your evidence.

This was your exact quote "FCS has a negative impact on our other athletic programs such as basketball. Hurts image and recruiting—yes, enrollment as well.". I guess I'm gonna have to break it down for you.

So to recap, it does not have an effect on basketball. The example I made was that App State who was the Sun Belts representative in the tournament got a 16 seed play in game even though they are an FBS conference, whereas Eastern was the Big Sky's representative (an FCS conference) and they got a 14 and the Big Sky has never had a rep in a 16 seed play in game, therefore there is no direct correlation between football and basketball and whether your FCS or FBS for football. Keeping up so far?

Next part of your quote, hurts image and recruiting. That's funny, cause we seem to consistently beat out Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming, etc. for recruits. Plus, I tend to think that if we played every single Mountain West team this year, I bet you we could beat half of them. Why go to Colorado State where you likely will not make a bowl game and if they do it will likely be something like the Cheez-It Bowl? While their may be a small amount of kids who truly think they are better than the FCS level, I bet the vast majority of kids being recruited by these two schools would give UM a fair evaluation. All you have to do is look how bad CSU lost to South Dakota State.

Final part of your quote, hurts enrollment. Really? Does that seem to be the case at MSU? They have been negatively impacted by playing in the FCS? Gee I don't think they have. Sure our enrollment has been hurting, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with us being an FCS team.

Now does any of this sound like my opinion at all to you? FBS conferences have gotten worse seeds in the basketball tournament than FCS conferences, the Griz have beaten out Mountain West teams for recruits, and being an FCS team does not hurt your enrollment and all you have to do is look at MSU. That seems like enough evidence to me, and that's not my opinion, these are all facts whether you like it or not.

 

[Hoops watcher]

I am no longer looking at this as a move up, rather, a move laterally. The thought process is changing nationally and if we want to maintain and potentially improve the playoff system that many here relish then we are going to have to change our thought process locally as well!

It is clear that the P5 conferences are recognizing that the "P" in that designation stands for Power, and they are starting to wield that power to exert control over the entire landscape of College Football. At some point those conferences are going to dictate not only how NCAA revenue is allocated, but to whom! When that happens those conferences in the FBS that are not P5 are going to be left trying to divvy up a much smaller pot of cash, and fewer opportunities to increase that pot. Many of those programs will be scrambling to take the big payout "body bag" games that are presently considered the province of FCS teams. This will lead to a significant decrease in revenues at the FCS level. In addition future television revenue at the FCS personal may be diminished in favor of covering FBS games that are not P5.

The only way this plays out to the benefit of all is to recognize that the P5 is an entity unto itself and they are going to do what they damn well please. The rest of the FBS and the FCS conferences who decide to will have to consolidate and establish a new playoff program that could incorporate some of the existing bowl games leading to an expanded national championship!

Whether we like it or not, some scenario of the above is going to be forced upon us. How long this may take is anyone's guess. My guess is within this decade!

The probable scenario. The question is how to best prepare for it. Who does the AD foresee us aligning with? The big dogs are going to throw everyone else under the bus when the time comes. Tough to make a call at this point either direction.

 

[Hoops watcher]

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1443621315899011081?s=20

Seems the MWC dreams are dead for the time being.

 

[Spanky2]

Evidence? I don’t think so. More like your opinion. How about making a random call to a scholarship FBS athlete at Notre Dame, Texas or a school of your choice. Ask him/her what NCAA Division the University of Montana competes in competitive sports? That will be your evidence.

This was your exact quote "FCS has a negative impact on our other athletic programs such as basketball. Hurts image and recruiting—yes, enrollment as well.". I guess I'm gonna have to break it down for you.

So to recap, it does not have an effect on basketball. The example I made was that App State who was the Sun Belts representative in the tournament got a 16 seed play in game even though they are an FBS conference, whereas Eastern was the Big Sky's representative (an FCS conference) and they got a 14 and the Big Sky has never had a rep in a 16 seed play in game, therefore there is no direct correlation between football and basketball and whether your FCS or FBS for football. Keeping up so far?

Next part of your quote, hurts image and recruiting. That's funny, cause we seem to consistently beat out Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming, etc. for recruits. Plus, I tend to think that if we played every single Mountain West team this year, I bet you we could beat half of them. Why go to Colorado State where you likely will not make a bowl game and if they do it will likely be something like the Cheez-It Bowl? While their may be a small amount of kids who truly think they are better than the FCS level, I bet the vast majority of kids being recruited by these two schools would give UM a fair evaluation. All you have to do is look how bad CSU lost to South Dakota State.

Final part of your quote, hurts enrollment. Really? Does that seem to be the case at MSU? They have been negatively impacted by playing in the FCS? Gee I don't think they have. Sure our enrollment has been hurting, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with us being an FCS team.

Now does any of this sound like my opinion at all to you? FBS conferences have gotten worse seeds in the basketball tournament than FCS conferences, the Griz have beaten out Mountain West teams for recruits, and being an FCS team does not hurt your enrollment and all you have to do is look at MSU. That seems like enough evidence to me, and that's not my opinion, these are all facts whether you like it or not.

Thanks for breaking it down for me. I respect your opinion which doesn’t become fact, except in your mind. No doubt, 1AA (FCS) served a purpose for UM, especially during years when we had weak presidents. We should have moved to a FBS conference several years ago and now we have strong leadership with Bodnar, it might become reality. Let’s see how it plays out.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1443621315899011081?s=20

Excellent!
Boise & San Diego State pulled back once they heard Montana may be joining their conference

 

[get'em_griz]

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1443943863148757013?s=20

 

[Griz Addict]

Well in my opinion the Mountain WEST is just as mediocre. A move there does not excite me at all.

What would excite you?

Obviously playing the likes of UNC, SUU, Dixie State etc...idk about anyone else but I get way more excited when we play an fbs opponent and fcs opponents are usually bleh, unless it's a really good team and a close game. And it's funny how people always point to Idaho's failures at fbs when there have been plenty of successful move ups. People are just scared of change and can't find their ball sack. FBS is the way to go, unless you want to continue being irrelevant. I can tell you right now, any lower tier fbs teams are looked higher upon than any of the best fcs teams and it's not even close.