Comparative Passing Stats

['68griz]

Nothing, but you are wanting to talk in "what ifs" instead of "what happened". If you want to use "what ifs" maybe we could add BG throwing a pick or BG getting sacked and fumbling. The point being made is that the mobility shown by Chalich adds a dimension to the offense that BG does not offer. Many people feel that this is a positive.

You forgot sailing a pass over everyone's head and eventually having to punt.

Chalich choses to run because he didn't see another valid option. For example, the long pass to Curran down the sidelines was a result of the line and two skill players not being able to hold off three rushers, while eight UISU defenders covered the remaining three receivers. Scrambling to his left, Chalich bought a little time for Curran to drift farther up the sideline and to make a great catch.

His ability to extend the play was the difference in winning and losing this game given the defensive meltdown. And don't think Stitt didn't clearly recognize that when he watched the film Sunday.

The scramble to the left and nice throw and catch was very nice. However, I think UM would have won the game with a healthy BG too. To me, there is no evidence that we wouldn't have.

And I am not so certain they would have won with a healthy BG. To me, there is no evidence that we would have.

This.

 

[UMGriz75]

Yes, mobility does add another dimension. However, as pointed out, there was not one called run play for the qb.

It is interesting, therefore, to note that a coach has an additional available skillset to use on the offense, a skillset that the opposing team has likely not prepared for, but refuses to use it?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Yes, mobility does add another dimension. However, as pointed out, there was not one called run play for the qb.

It is interesting, therefore, to note that a coach has an additional available skillset to use on the offense, a skillset that the opposing team has likely not prepared for, but refuses to use it?

Actually there was. Two I can think of without much effort.

 

[PlayerRep]

On those several scrambles for first down, what's to say he wouldn't have picked up first down on the series by throwing or handing off to a running back, or that BG wouldn't have also gotten first downs?

Nothing, but you are wanting to talk in "what ifs" instead of "what happened". If you want to use "what ifs" maybe we could add BG throwing a pick or BG getting sacked and fumbling. The point being made is that the mobility shown by Chalich adds a dimension to the offense that BG does not offer. Many people feel that this is a positive.

No, initially, there were no what-if's. I said there was little or no evidence, in my view, that Chalich extended drives by running. Yes, mobility does add another dimension. However, as pointed out, there was not one called run play for the qb. All scrambles. More sacks of our qb than in any game so far this season, and with fewer passes. Chalich played terrific overall, and I hope he can keep up that pace, but I doubt it. With Chalich, his mobility is a plus, but I think he flushes too soon (he certainly did last year, and that was a big rap on him), and as such (or if still true) he gives up too many passing opportunities. He also doesn't seem to have BG's arm strength for long passes or for long outs. He also didn't throw the swing passes as well as BG does--judging only by the one game. I am still doubtful that he truly knows the offense and has the same decision-making as BG does, but if he does, great. I'm glad he got his chance, and took nice advantage of him. It doesn't matter to me who Stitt plays at qb at this point.

But there is evidence that Chalich extended drives by running, I believe on 3 separate runs he picked up a 1st down to extend a drive. And whether it is a scramble or called run means zero. I also will stand by the fact that Chalich does know the offense, but the 2 QB's are very different and hence the offense is not identical for both. I also laugh every time people throw around the term "decision-making" when describing BG, because on many occasions his decision-making has been less than stellar.

Well, if that's your view, then I guess every first down made on any down and in any manner is your idea of "extending drives". That's not what "extending drives" means to me. The coaches have frequently praised BG's reads and decision-making this year, especially as the season has progressed. They have also praised a number of terrific, and even NFL, throws he has made. Ask Brint. Have the coaches been telling you something different?

 

[grizindabox]

This is not about......a running QB.....which is what PR.....is presenting....but about....a mobile QB....they can be.....different....

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Nothing, but you are wanting to talk in "what ifs" instead of "what happened". If you want to use "what ifs" maybe we could add BG throwing a pick or BG getting sacked and fumbling. The point being made is that the mobility shown by Chalich adds a dimension to the offense that BG does not offer. Many people feel that this is a positive.

No, initially, there were no what-if's. I said there was little or no evidence, in my view, that Chalich extended drives by running. Yes, mobility does add another dimension. However, as pointed out, there was not one called run play for the qb. All scrambles. More sacks of our qb than in any game so far this season, and with fewer passes. Chalich played terrific overall, and I hope he can keep up that pace, but I doubt it. With Chalich, his mobility is a plus, but I think he flushes too soon (he certainly did last year, and that was a big rap on him), and as such (or if still true) he gives up too many passing opportunities. He also doesn't seem to have BG's arm strength for long passes or for long outs. He also didn't throw the swing passes as well as BG does--judging only by the one game. I am still doubtful that he truly knows the offense and has the same decision-making as BG does, but if he does, great. I'm glad he got his chance, and took nice advantage of him. It doesn't matter to me who Stitt plays at qb at this point.

But there is evidence that Chalich extended drives by running, I believe on 3 separate runs he picked up a 1st down to extend a drive. And whether it is a scramble or called run means zero. I also will stand by the fact that Chalich does know the offense, but the 2 QB's are very different and hence the offense is not identical for both. I also laugh every time people throw around the term "decision-making" when describing BG, because on many occasions his decision-making has been less than stellar.

Well, if that's your view, then I guess every first down made on any down and in any manner is your idea of "extending drives". That's not what "extending drives" means to me. The coaches have frequently praised BG's reads and decision-making this year, especially as the season has progressed. They have also praised a number of terrific, and even NFL, throws he has made. Ask Brint. Have the coaches been telling you something different?

Yep, getting a new set of downs is extending a drive. If you want to talk about converting 3rd downs, that is a subset of extending a drive. Also, not sure were "number of NFL throws" comes into the discussion.

 

[PlayerRep]

This is not about......a running QB.....which is what PR.....is presenting....but about....a mobile QB....they can be.....different....

I'm not talking about a running qb. I'm talking about whether there was evidence from the last game that Chalich "extended" drives by running. Agreed, that a mobile qb is different, and can be a positive if he looks long enough for downfield passes and doesn't flush the pocket too soon (and give up passing opportunities).

 

[grizindabox]

This is not about......a running QB.....which is what PR.....is presenting....but about....a mobile QB....they can be.....different....

I'm not talking about a running qb. I'm talking about whether there was evidence from the last game that Chalich "extended" drives by running. Agreed, that a mobile qb is different, and can be a positive if he looks long enough for downfield passes and doesn't flush the pocket too soon (and give up passing opportunities).

Then what was the point.....of trying to differentiate.....between scrambles and called runs......

 

[Ursa Major]

Nothing, but you are wanting to talk in "what ifs" instead of "what happened". If you want to use "what ifs" maybe we could add BG throwing a pick or BG getting sacked and fumbling. The point being made is that the mobility shown by Chalich adds a dimension to the offense that BG does not offer. Many people feel that this is a positive.

No, initially, there were no what-if's. I said there was little or no evidence, in my view, that Chalich extended drives by running. Yes, mobility does add another dimension. However, as pointed out, there was not one called run play for the qb. All scrambles. More sacks of our qb than in any game so far this season, and with fewer passes. Chalich played terrific overall, and I hope he can keep up that pace, but I doubt it. With Chalich, his mobility is a plus, but I think he flushes too soon (he certainly did last year, and that was a big rap on him), and as such (or if still true) he gives up too many passing opportunities. He also doesn't seem to have BG's arm strength for long passes or for long outs. He also didn't throw the swing passes as well as BG does--judging only by the one game. I am still doubtful that he truly knows the offense and has the same decision-making as BG does, but if he does, great. I'm glad he got his chance, and took nice advantage of him. It doesn't matter to me who Stitt plays at qb at this point.

But there is evidence that Chalich extended drives by running, I believe on 3 separate runs he picked up a 1st down to extend a drive. And whether it is a scramble or called run means zero. I also will stand by the fact that Chalich does know the offense, but the 2 QB's are very different and hence the offense is not identical for both. I also laugh every time people throw around the term "decision-making" when describing BG, because on many occasions his decision-making has been less than stellar.

Well, if that's your view, then I guess every first down made on any down and in any manner is your idea of "extending drives". That's not what "extending drives" means to me. The coaches have frequently praised BG's reads and decision-making this year, especially as the season has progressed. They have also praised a number of terrific, and even NFL, throws he has made. Ask Brint. Have the coaches been telling you something different?

FFS! I pray your wife buys you a hobby for Christmas! Model train set with a conductor's hat; model airplanes with strong and intoxicating glue; a fishing pool; a bird watching book; Lincoln Logs; puzzles; an erector set (for the both of you); or a dog. Anything to get you to stop being such a dick to people on here (except of course for the cat posters). It's okay for others to disagree with you.

 

[G-BEARS]

Gustafson 244 for 365, 7 ints, 66.8%, 2593 yards, 24 TDs, passing efficiency 144.4, 7.1 yards per attempt, one TD per 15.2 attempts, -3 yards rushing

Chalich 34 for 46, 2 ints, 73.9%, 584 yards, 9 TDs, passing efficiency 236.4, 12.7 yards per attempt, one TD per 5.1 attempts, 61 yards rushing

So by your logic, Chalich is a better quarterback than Dickenson because he threw more touchdown passes in a single game... Sorry, just doesnt work that way.

Where in the f**k did he say that or that it's his logic? What is going on with some people on here right now making shit up...

+1 This thread seems to be a good litmus test for the overzealous posters that are agenda driven. Kem was educated as a scientist and tends to post as one. Others, seem better equipped as fiction writers or attorneys that spin nonobjective and biased tales.

Seriously, there are 3 or 4 posters on here right now that are super defensive about a certain subject. So much so, that they think the world (or egriz) is out to get them and jump to conclusions about peoples opinions before they even argue against them. It's kind of creepy to be honest, scary that there are people that think like this.

 

[Ursa Major]

So by your logic, Chalich is a better quarterback than Dickenson because he threw more touchdown passes in a single game... Sorry, just doesnt work that way.

Where in the f**k did he say that or that it's his logic? What is going on with some people on here right now making shit up...

+1 This thread seems to be a good litmus test for the overzealous posters that are agenda driven. Kem was educated as a scientist and tends to post as one. Others, seem better equipped as fiction writers or attorneys that spin nonobjective and biased tales.

Seriously, there are 3 or 4 posters on here right now that are super defensive about a certain subject. So much so, that they think the world (or egriz) is out to get them and jump to conclusions about peoples opinions before they even argue against them. It's kind of creepy to be honest, scary that there are people that think like this.

This will all make more sense after the inauguration in January.

 

[PlayerRep]

No, initially, there were no what-if's. I said there was little or no evidence, in my view, that Chalich extended drives by running. Yes, mobility does add another dimension. However, as pointed out, there was not one called run play for the qb. All scrambles. More sacks of our qb than in any game so far this season, and with fewer passes. Chalich played terrific overall, and I hope he can keep up that pace, but I doubt it. With Chalich, his mobility is a plus, but I think he flushes too soon (he certainly did last year, and that was a big rap on him), and as such (or if still true) he gives up too many passing opportunities. He also doesn't seem to have BG's arm strength for long passes or for long outs. He also didn't throw the swing passes as well as BG does--judging only by the one game. I am still doubtful that he truly knows the offense and has the same decision-making as BG does, but if he does, great. I'm glad he got his chance, and took nice advantage of him. It doesn't matter to me who Stitt plays at qb at this point.

But there is evidence that Chalich extended drives by running, I believe on 3 separate runs he picked up a 1st down to extend a drive. And whether it is a scramble or called run means zero. I also will stand by the fact that Chalich does know the offense, but the 2 QB's are very different and hence the offense is not identical for both. I also laugh every time people throw around the term "decision-making" when describing BG, because on many occasions his decision-making has been less than stellar.

Well, if that's your view, then I guess every first down made on any down and in any manner is your idea of "extending drives". That's not what "extending drives" means to me. The coaches have frequently praised BG's reads and decision-making this year, especially as the season has progressed. They have also praised a number of terrific, and even NFL, throws he has made. Ask Brint. Have the coaches been telling you something different?

FFS! I pray your wife buys you a hobby for Christmas! Model train set with a conductor's hat; model airplanes with strong and intoxicating glue; a fishing pool; a bird watching book; Lincoln Logs; puzzles; an erector set (for the both of you); or a dog. Anything to get you to stop being such a dick to people on here (except of course for the cat posters). It's okay for others to disagree with you.

As I have said many times, I don't care if people agree with me. Don't care even a little. However, I do believe that I have the right to express my views, and that includes expressing my views on the program and the game, as well as on posters who unfairly diss the UM program and people in the program.

 

[AZGrizFan]

As I have said many times, I don't care if people agree with me. Don't care even a little. However, I do believe that I have the right to express my views, and that includes expressing my views on the program and the game, as well as on posters who unfairly diss the UM program and people in the program.

The problem is: You think ANY criticism is a "diss". When, in fact, much of it is warranted.

 

[Grisly Fan]

As I have said many times, I don't care if people agree with me. Don't care even a little. However, I do believe that I have the right to express my views, and that includes expressing my views on the program and the game, as well as on posters who unfairly diss the UM program and people in the program.

The problem is: You think ANY criticism is a "diss". When, in fact, much of it is warranted.

The enemy of any program is not criticism or disrespect. The enemy is apathy. As long as people pay for the tickets or watch the games on TV, they are invested in the program and any reasonable comments, even negative, should be welcomed (they don't have to be liked but the spirit of the comment should be accepted). When people stop caring either way, the program has something to really worry about.

 

[PlayerRep]

As I have said many times, I don't care if people agree with me. Don't care even a little. However, I do believe that I have the right to express my views, and that includes expressing my views on the program and the game, as well as on posters who unfairly diss the UM program and people in the program.

The problem is: You think ANY criticism is a "diss". When, in fact, much of it is warranted.

Not true, but aren't I entitled to my opinion, including what I view as a diss? Also, why don't you compare you over the top comments about me in the Coyle and perhaps this thread to what I said about CV. 10 times worse. Makes you a hypocrite, in my view, that is, if you think I am entitled to a view.

 

[PlayerRep]

As I have said many times, I don't care if people agree with me. Don't care even a little. However, I do believe that I have the right to express my views, and that includes expressing my views on the program and the game, as well as on posters who unfairly diss the UM program and people in the program.

The problem is: You think ANY criticism is a "diss". When, in fact, much of it is warranted.

The enemy of any program is not criticism or disrespect. The enemy is apathy. As long as people pay for the tickets or watch the games on TV, they are invested in the program and any reasonable comments, even negative, should be welcomed (they don't have to be liked but the spirit of the comment should be accepted). When people stop caring either way, the program has something to really worry about.

This or some of this may be true, but doesn't that mean that posters like myself are entitled to their views too?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

As I have said many times, I don't care if people agree with me. Don't care even a little. However, I do believe that I have the right to express my views, and that includes expressing my views on the program and the game, as well as on posters who unfairly diss the UM program and people in the program.

The problem is: You think ANY criticism is a "diss". When, in fact, much of it is warranted.

The enemy of any program is not criticism or disrespect. The enemy is apathy. As long as people pay for the tickets or watch the games on TV, they are invested in the program and any reasonable comments, even negative, should be welcomed (they don't have to be liked but the spirit of the comment should be accepted). When people stop caring either way, the program has something to really worry about.

This or some of this may be true, but doesn't that mean that posters like myself are entitled to their views too?

Are you referencing "views of the program" or "views of the fans"?

 

[Grisly Fan]

As I have said many times, I don't care if people agree with me. Don't care even a little. However, I do believe that I have the right to express my views, and that includes expressing my views on the program and the game, as well as on posters who unfairly diss the UM program and people in the program.

The problem is: You think ANY criticism is a "diss". When, in fact, much of it is warranted.

Not true, but aren't I entitled to my opinion, including what I view as a diss? Also, why don't you compare you over the top comments about me in the Coyle and perhaps this thread to what I said about CV. 10 times worse. Makes you a hypocrite, in my view, that is, if you think I am entitled to a view.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Everyone is. And the fact you are here expressing it makes you a "good fan". If you didn't care enough to have an opinion then you would be by definition a "bad fan", i.e. bad at being fanatical -- the word from which fan is derived. Calling people who express negative opinions "bad fans" is simply silly and makes one look relatively unintelligent due to a lack of grasp of the meaning of common words in the English language. You could call them a "dumb fan" or a "biased fan" or some other criticism of their opinion as a fan and be accurate (in your own opinion).

 

[bgbigdog]

Based on the outcome of yesterday's election, I fear we're in danger of this making it to 17 pages. But that's just my opinion, being a dumb fan and all.

 

[Eriul]

here's the simple truth of the whole thing and why this thread is bullshit

BG is a better QB than Chalich...

If you don't agree then I honestly don't care anymore. Our offensive minded coach, who has come in here and made our offense click really well, and Andrew Selle, one of the smarter QB's we've had, have both put their hats on BG.

Sorry if you see it otherwise. Enjoy your misery as BG starts any game he is healthy and rage more when he has some overthrows while completing 68% of passes and putting up top 5 FCS numbers.