Colorado School of Mines

[get'em_griz]

Stitt built CSM. They would have nothing without him.

Not really. They've been playing football since 1909 (actually 1888 as I went and looked it up) if I recall. John Wristen at CSU-Pueblo is the one that built a team up from nothing (as in NO football team)....and actually won a National Championship in 2014, just a mere 7 years after starting from scratch in 2008. From no team on the field to a NC is by far more impressive than anything Stitt has done.

And I'm not a Stitt hater, just setting the record straight. Wristen was not seriously considered for the Griz job because of a prior domestic incident where he assumed responsibility, and moved on. CSUP forgave him, and hired him. Damn good thing they did. IMO he is far the superior coach of Stitt though.

Acceptance rates for CSM and CSU-Pueblo:

CSU-Pueblo: 96% (2016)
CSM: 38% (2016)

Easy to build a football team when you have that high of an acceptance rate.

....UM ~93%. Should be easy for Stitt?

It would be easier for Stitt to accomplish his goals if he wasn't dealing with the following:

Two years of NCAA sanctions and 4 less scholarships. Also, Delaney didn't leave him the strongest team either. I believe we will start seeing big improvements next year when we have all of our scholarships back.

 

[grizindabox]

....I laughed again.....

There's a diagnosis for emotional incontinence.

....I laughed once again.....

 

[Inspector Griz]

Not really. They've been playing football since 1909 (actually 1888 as I went and looked it up) if I recall. John Wristen at CSU-Pueblo is the one that built a team up from nothing (as in NO football team)....and actually won a National Championship in 2014, just a mere 7 years after starting from scratch in 2008. From no team on the field to a NC is by far more impressive than anything Stitt has done.

And I'm not a Stitt hater, just setting the record straight. Wristen was not seriously considered for the Griz job because of a prior domestic incident where he assumed responsibility, and moved on. CSUP forgave him, and hired him. Damn good thing they did. IMO he is far the superior coach of Stitt though.

Acceptance rates for CSM and CSU-Pueblo:

CSU-Pueblo: 96% (2016)
CSM: 38% (2016)

Easy to build a football team when you have that high of an acceptance rate.

....UM ~93%. Should be easy for Stitt?

It would be easier for Stitt to accomplish his goals if he wasn't dealing with the following:

Two years of NCAA sanctions and 4 less scholarships. Also, Delaney didn't leave him the strongest team either. I believe we will start seeing big improvements next year when we have all of our scholarships back.

I sure hope your right! I know you have to give a new coach time. Maybe even 3 or 4 years. Even Though I am frustrated I know Stitt deserves that. IF we get in that 4th year and we are still 7-4, 6-5 and have not at least shared or won a BSC title then he needs to go.

 

[George Ferguson]

Acceptance rates for CSM and CSU-Pueblo:

CSU-Pueblo: 96% (2016)
CSM: 38% (2016)

Easy to build a football team when you have that high of an acceptance rate.

....UM ~93%. Should be easy for Stitt?

It would be easier for Stitt to accomplish his goals if he wasn't dealing with the following:

Two years of NCAA sanctions and 4 less scholarships. Also, Delaney didn't leave him the strongest team either. I believe we will start seeing big improvements next year when we have all of our scholarships back.

I sure hope your right! I know you have to give a new coach time. Maybe even 3 or 4 years. Even Though I am frustrated I know Stitt deserves that. IF we get in that 4th year and we are still 7-4, 6-5 and have not at least shared or won a BSC title then he needs to go.

Chris Peterson was 15-12 and didn't sniff a Pac 12 title in his first two years at Washington. They were rolling this year until last Saturday night. On your argument that Stitt should go after four years, would you say the same about Peterson if, lets say, he loses the Apple Cup, which means no Pac 12 title and no Playoff this year, and then lets say, slips back to say 8-5 next season. That would be four years with no Pac 12 title and really only one good season. Should he be fired?

 

[SoldierGriz]

....UM ~93%. Should be easy for Stitt?

It would be easier for Stitt to accomplish his goals if he wasn't dealing with the following:

Two years of NCAA sanctions and 4 less scholarships. Also, Delaney didn't leave him the strongest team either. I believe we will start seeing big improvements next year when we have all of our scholarships back.

I sure hope your right! I know you have to give a new coach time. Maybe even 3 or 4 years. Even Though I am frustrated I know Stitt deserves that. IF we get in that 4th year and we are still 7-4, 6-5 and have not at least shared or won a BSC title then he needs to go.

Chris Peterson was 15-12 and didn't sniff a Pac 12 title in his first two years at Washington. They were rolling this year until last Saturday night. On your argument that Stitt should go after four years, would you say the same about Peterson if, lets say, he loses the Apple Cup, which means no Pac 12 title and no Playoff this year, and then lets say, slips back to say 8-5 next season. That would be four years with no Pac 12 title and really only one good season. Should he be fired?

They will not slip to 8-5 next season. They are a year ahead of schedule, and return nearly THE ENTIRE TEAM. They will start next season in the top 5, and they should stay there. Even if they did as you describe, he would not be fired because he's given UW hope...they see clear progress. Peterson has demonstrated exactly what it takes to rebuild a program.

The question is whether Stitt will turn the corner in his third year - like Peterson has. I know you don't like it, but Stitt is coaching for his job next season - in my opinion.

 

[Maxim]

....UM ~93%. Should be easy for Stitt?

It would be easier for Stitt to accomplish his goals if he wasn't dealing with the following:

Two years of NCAA sanctions and 4 less scholarships. Also, Delaney didn't leave him the strongest team either. I believe we will start seeing big improvements next year when we have all of our scholarships back.

I sure hope your right! I know you have to give a new coach time. Maybe even 3 or 4 years. Even Though I am frustrated I know Stitt deserves that. IF we get in that 4th year and we are still 7-4, 6-5 and have not at least shared or won a BSC title then he needs to go.

Chris Peterson was 15-12 and didn't sniff a Pac 12 title in his first two years at Washington. They were rolling this year until last Saturday night. On your argument that Stitt should go after four years, would you say the same about Peterson if, lets say, he loses the Apple Cup, which means no Pac 12 title and no Playoff this year, and then lets say, slips back to say 8-5 next season. That would be four years with no Pac 12 title and really only one good season. Should he be fired?

Are u really comparing Stitt to Petersen? :lol: Petersen took Boise to new heights as a coach culminating with a Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma and an undefeated FBS season. Stitt has never accomplished any thing close to that level of success. Petersen then took over an average program in a tough P5 conference. Stitt took over the top program in a good conference. This comparison falls flat.

 

[George Ferguson]

It would be easier for Stitt to accomplish his goals if he wasn't dealing with the following:

Two years of NCAA sanctions and 4 less scholarships. Also, Delaney didn't leave him the strongest team either. I believe we will start seeing big improvements next year when we have all of our scholarships back.

I sure hope your right! I know you have to give a new coach time. Maybe even 3 or 4 years. Even Though I am frustrated I know Stitt deserves that. IF we get in that 4th year and we are still 7-4, 6-5 and have not at least shared or won a BSC title then he needs to go.

Chris Peterson was 15-12 and didn't sniff a Pac 12 title in his first two years at Washington. They were rolling this year until last Saturday night. On your argument that Stitt should go after four years, would you say the same about Peterson if, lets say, he loses the Apple Cup, which means no Pac 12 title and no Playoff this year, and then lets say, slips back to say 8-5 next season. That would be four years with no Pac 12 title and really only one good season. Should he be fired?

Are u really comparing Stitt to Petersen? :lol: Petersen took Boise to new heights as a coach culminating with a Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma and an undefeated FBS season. Stitt has never accomplished any thing close to that level of success. Petersen then took over an average program in a tough P5 conference. Stitt took over the top program in a good conference. This comparison falls flat.

If you read the post there's absolute NO comparing the coaches or their abilities. I challenge you to find one word in the post where I tried to compare Stitt to Peterson or vice versa. I was comparing their length of time at their jobs and when the axe would be justified.

And are you serious about the comment I bolded? I love the Griz as much as anybody here, but, a team that had missed the playoffs two out of the last four seasons, and was in its second year of a harsh NCAA probation, and just lost one of the all-time great starting QB's in Jordan Johnson and a Top 5 running back in Jordan Canada was NOT the top team in the Big Sky.

 

[Maxim]

I sure hope your right! I know you have to give a new coach time. Maybe even 3 or 4 years. Even Though I am frustrated I know Stitt deserves that. IF we get in that 4th year and we are still 7-4, 6-5 and have not at least shared or won a BSC title then he needs to go.

Chris Peterson was 15-12 and didn't sniff a Pac 12 title in his first two years at Washington. They were rolling this year until last Saturday night. On your argument that Stitt should go after four years, would you say the same about Peterson if, lets say, he loses the Apple Cup, which means no Pac 12 title and no Playoff this year, and then lets say, slips back to say 8-5 next season. That would be four years with no Pac 12 title and really only one good season. Should he be fired?

Are u really comparing Stitt to Petersen? :lol: Petersen took Boise to new heights as a coach culminating with a Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma and an undefeated FBS season. Stitt has never accomplished any thing close to that level of success. Petersen then took over an average program in a tough P5 conference. Stitt took over the top program in a good conference. This comparison falls flat.

If you read the post there's absolute NO comparing the coaches or their abilities. I challenge you to find one word in the post where I tried to compare Stitt to Peterson or vice versa. I was comparing their length of time at their jobs and when the axe would be justified.

And are you serious about the comment I bolded? I love the Griz as much as anybody here, but, a team that had missed the playoffs two out of the last four seasons, and was in its second year of a harsh NCAA probation, and just lost one of the all-time great starting QB's in Jordan Johnson and a Top 5 running back in Jordan Canada was NOT the top team in the Big Sky.

UM is the top program by far in the Big Sky. We may not be the most successful at the moment or when Stitt took over that is beside the point. But with our facilities and resources it is not hard to understand that. By the way when you bring up two coaches and relate them to another that by definition is a comparison. My goodness man.

 

[George Ferguson]

Nope, I'll stand by what I said. I wasn't comparing their abilities and it my post doesn't show that I was. I was comparing their length of time at their respective jobs, and threw out a scenario in which fans will start to get mad at Peterson if it happens. Trust me, Husky fans, even though they sucked for a long time, are some of the notriously hostile fans in the FBS when it comes to coaches, and they will be PISSED at Peterson if they lose in Pullman.

 

[Maxim]

I am a Husky fan but I won't be pissed at Petersen if we lose in Pullman just disappointed because Petersen has us on the right track and I believe most Husky fans feel the same. It's been a long time since we were nationally relevant. To elaborate on my previous comment USC is still the top program in the PAC 12 even though they are not on top just like the Griz are the top program in the Big Sky. Heritage, tradition, facilities, resources, and fan support make you the top not necessarily recent success.

 

[George Ferguson]

I am a Husky fan but I won't be pissed at Petersen if we lose in Pullman just disappointed because Petersen has us on the right track and I believe most Husky fans feel the same. It's been a long time since we were nationally relevant. To elaborate on my previous comment USC is still the top program in the PAC 12 even though they are not on top just like the Griz are the top program in the Big Sky. Heritage, tradition, facilities, resources, and fan support make you the top not necessarily recent success.

I've also disagreed with the facilities argument at Montana for years. The Griz certainly have an amazing STADIUM to play in. There's no doubt that's true, but facilities and stadium are two completely different things. Montana has had an absolute dungeon of a lockerroom for decades. It is not a joke that they don't let recruits go in the lockerroom. Eastern Washington's lockerroom and coaches office have been well above Montana's for years NOW. The Griz lockerroom has had actual health code issues over the years, including mold and staff.

Montana's medical training facility is below sub-par, and the weight room is actually three different rooms, where the team can't even all lift or work out together. The River Bowl is a below average practice field, and the Griz are well behind the curve on an indoor practice facility. There are a ton of FCS teams, including 2016 Big Sky champ North Dakota, that has one now, and Montana doesn't. These are things that the players use every day. Washington-Grizzly Stadium has nothing to do with these facilities. Now, the Champions Center will remedy the lockerroom and weight room issue, but it is still nothing more than a blue print and a few thousand yards of concrete and wire at this point.

Trust me, when it comes to what the players use on a day-to-day basis, Montana absoultely does NOT have the best facilities.

Edit: And FTR, I'm not saying this is an excuse to lose football games. Actually, for years, the Griz thrived in spite of these things. But, the best "facilities" argument is a big misconception. The first time I saw the inside of the Griz' lockerroom, I actually couldn't believe it. I had heard players talk about it, but when I saw it for the first time, it was 10 times worse to me than how it had been described.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Stitt took over the top program in a good conference.

I disagree.

I also agree with Hav about "facilities"

 

[Maxim]

We are the top program in the Big Sky don't kid yourself. If the commissioner was asked what team she would hate to see leave more than any other it's us and it's not even close. Attendance, success, facilities, fan support, merchandise sales, tv ratings nobody can touch the Griz with all those factors combined. We are the golden goose of The Big Sky we just need to get back to winning it.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Stitt built CSM. They would have nothing without him.

Not really. They've been playing football since 1909 (actually 1888 as I went and looked it up) if I recall. John Wristen at CSU-Pueblo is the one that built a team up from nothing (as in NO football team)....and actually won a National Championship in 2014, just a mere 7 years after starting from scratch in 2008. From no team on the field to a NC is by far more impressive than anything Stitt has done.

And I'm not a Stitt hater, just setting the record straight. Wristen was not seriously considered for the Griz job because of a prior domestic incident where he assumed responsibility, and moved on. CSUP forgave him, and hired him. Damn good thing they did. IMO he is far the superior coach of Stitt though.

Acceptance rates for CSM and CSU-Pueblo:

CSU-Pueblo: 96% (2016)
CSM: 38% (2016)

Easy to build a football team when you have that high of an acceptance rate.

Beat me to it. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

We are the top program in the Big Sky don't kid yourself. If the commissioner was asked what team she would hate to see leave more than any other it's us and it's not even close. Attendance, success, facilities, fan support, merchandise sales, tv ratings nobody can touch the Griz with all those factors combined. We are the golden goose of The Big Sky we just need to get back to winning it.

Lol...There's a gigantic difference between being the golden goose and being the top team, performance wise. In fact, we may be the top PROGRAM, but our "team" hasn't been the top one for over 5 years....long before Stitt darkened the doorway of Wa/Griz stadium.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I am a Husky fan but I won't be pissed at Petersen if we lose in Pullman just disappointed because Petersen has us on the right track and I believe most Husky fans feel the same. It's been a long time since we were nationally relevant. To elaborate on my previous comment USC is still the top program in the PAC 12 even though they are not on top just like the Griz are the top program in the Big Sky. Heritage, tradition, facilities, resources, and fan support make you the top not necessarily recent success.

That would be like saying Nebraska is the top program in the Big 10. Just ain't so....you can only live off past laurels for so long...

 

[George Ferguson]

I am a Husky fan but I won't be pissed at Petersen if we lose in Pullman just disappointed because Petersen has us on the right track and I believe most Husky fans feel the same. It's been a long time since we were nationally relevant. To elaborate on my previous comment USC is still the top program in the PAC 12 even though they are not on top just like the Griz are the top program in the Big Sky. Heritage, tradition, facilities, resources, and fan support make you the top not necessarily recent success.

That would be like saying Nebraska is the top program in the Big 10. Just ain't so....you can only live off past laurels for so long...

Gret point AZ. And like I said, Montana doesn't even have the best facilities in the Big Sky. I repeat, Stadium and facilities are two different things. Right now, EWU's lockerrooms are a class wayyyy above Montana's. MSU and UND also have much nicer lockerrooms. It's going to change, but it isn't the way it is at the moment.

 

[Maxim]

For two people who claim top know a lot about football you are both proving you don't know jack.

 

[George Ferguson]

For two people who claim top know a lot about football you are both proving you don't know jack.

I've actually NEVER claimed I know a lot about football. But I have seen the inside of Montana's lockerroom, and their medical training facility and their weight room. They are all a laughing stock. I know more than one player who was diagnosed with staff from the Griz' lockerroom during their time at UM. You think a lockerroom that has to have its carpet replaced twice a year is a good facility?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Maxim is living in the past thinking Montana is the top program in the BSC.