College Football Free Agency is Upon Us

[rocklobster]

Coaches can move on from a team and coach right away, so players should be able to play. A lot of player go to a certain school because of a coach, and under the system it’s never been fair to the players! It’s about time the NCAA-“National Communists Against Athletics” as Tark called them-came around! Under these new rules, Gaskins and Steadman would have played this year! Can you imagine?

I get so tired of the argument that if coaches can leave why can't the players. Comparing a job with a non-job is ludicrous. I understand the problems with the system, but you are comparing an apple to an orange. And yes, college basketball is not a "job".

My main argument is that the system is screwed up. If you had a kid in the situation,, I think your point I f view might be different! Times have changed and the capitalizing of NCAA on athlete's images has got to change! An athlete-above all others-should have a choice in this matter! By your argument, you're saying it's ok for a coach to let do w n a player, but not the opposite. I totally disagree with you! I will always side with the player.

 

[kemajic]

Time to make the FBS move!

Do you have a list of those opportunities?

 

[PlayerRep]

Coaches can move on from a team and coach right away, so players should be able to play. A lot of player go to a certain school because of a coach, and under the system it’s never been fair to the players! It’s about time the NCAA-“National Communists Against Athletics” as Tark called them-came around! Under these new rules, Gaskins and Steadman would have played this year! Can you imagine?

I see your point, but a coach is under contract, paid, and an employee. Players are not really that. Coaches don't hop from team to team. Most schools/head coaches don't prevent coaches under contract from talking to someone else, and certainly don't and really can't prevent them from quitting and moving on.

And PR is see your point, but in any other business but sports at the collegiate level, a professional can choose the company they want to professionally work for. Now, I know there are scholarships involved, but when you involve the NCAA making money off of a person, then we're entering a whole different realm. Players can't even make money off their own image in the NCAA! I know there could be a whole thread on this, but to me it's despicable! Sure, there are NCAA rules, and everyone knows what they are, but that doesn't make it right! Probably totally off what we were talking about, but I had a couple beers!

In professional sports, players can't got where they want? I know that is not apples to apples on our discussion.

 

[PlayerRep]

This is just another nail in the FCS coffin.

There goes any hope at all for a P5 transfer. Of course, FCS players are now free to transfer up, but no one will transfer down.

Time to make the FBS move!

Why would moving to FBS help?

Well, we could consistently recruit FBS level talent, and we could get P5 transfers.

But mostly, it would help because this is going to really hurt FCS.

If it hurts all FCS, do we care? UM will compete against other FCS.

 

[PlayerRep]

Coaches can move on from a team and coach right away, so players should be able to play. A lot of player go to a certain school because of a coach, and under the system it’s never been fair to the players! It’s about time the NCAA-“National Communists Against Athletics” as Tark called them-came around! Under these new rules, Gaskins and Steadman would have played this year! Can you imagine?

I get so tired of the argument that if coaches can leave why can't the players. Comparing a job with a non-job is ludicrous. I understand the problems with the system, but you are comparing an apple to an orange. And yes, college basketball is not a "job".

My main argument is that the system is screwed up. If you had a kid in the situation,, I think your point I f view might be different! Times have changed and the capitalizing of NCAA on athlete's images has got to change! An athlete-above all others-should have a choice in this matter! By your argument, you're saying it's ok for a coach to let do w n a player, but not the opposite. I totally disagree with you! I will always side with the player.

Huh? Please restate.

 

[EverettGriz]

This is just another nail in the FCS coffin.

There goes any hope at all for a P5 transfer. Of course, FCS players are now free to transfer up, but no one will transfer down.

Time to make the FBS move!

Why would moving to FBS help?

Well, we could consistently recruit FBS level talent, and we could get P5 transfers.

But mostly, it would help because this is going to really hurt FCS.

If it hurts all FCS, do we care? UM will compete against other FCS.

I care. I prefer watching top-level athletics.

 

[PlayerRep]

Why would moving to FBS help?

Well, we could consistently recruit FBS level talent, and we could get P5 transfers.

But mostly, it would help because this is going to really hurt FCS.

If it hurts all FCS, do we care? UM will compete against other FCS.

I care. I prefer watching top-level athletics.

Okay, then why do you watch FCS? FBS and NFL are better.

Don't know why you don't like watching competitive games and competition at all levels? To me, that's what sport and athletics are all about.

Do you not enjoy kids playing sports? How about the intramural tennis players you have said you play with?

 

[EverettGriz]

Because I’m a UM alum.


I don’t play intramural tennis.

 

[PlayerRep]

Because I’m a UM alum.


I don’t play intramural tennis.

Well, we could consistently recruit FBS level talent, and we could get P5 transfers.

But mostly, it would help because this is going to really hurt FCS.

If it hurts all FCS, do we care? UM will compete against other FCS.

I care. I prefer watching top-level athletics.

Okay, then why do you watch FCS? FBS and NFL are better.

Don't know why you don't like watching competitive games and competition at all levels? To me, that's what sport and athletics are all about.

Do you not enjoy kids playing sports? How about the intramural tennis players you have said you play with?

Sure you do. That's what you've told us. Old guy rec tennis, right?

 

[grizindabox]

Coaches can move on from a team and coach right away, so players should be able to play. A lot of player go to a certain school because of a coach, and under the system it’s never been fair to the players! It’s about time the NCAA-“National Communists Against Athletics” as Tark called them-came around! Under these new rules, Gaskins and Steadman would have played this year! Can you imagine?

I get so tired of the argument that if coaches can leave why can't the players. Comparing a job with a non-job is ludicrous. I understand the problems with the system, but you are comparing an apple to an orange. And yes, college basketball is not a "job".

My main argument is that the system is screwed up. If you had a kid in the situation,, I think your point I f view might be different! Times have changed and the capitalizing of NCAA on athlete's images has got to change! An athlete-above all others-should have a choice in this matter! By your argument, you're saying it's ok for a coach to let do w n a player, but not the opposite. I totally disagree with you! I will always side with the player.

I would not feel different, and I also stated that the system needs to be fixed for the student athlete. But your "If the coach can" argument is lame. I will also add that any player that does not realize a coach can leave is probably being let down by his parents and the others that surround him.

 

[EverettGriz]

Because I’m a UM alum.


I don’t play intramural tennis.

If it hurts all FCS, do we care? UM will compete against other FCS.

I care. I prefer watching top-level athletics.

Okay, then why do you watch FCS? FBS and NFL are better.

Don't know why you don't like watching competitive games and competition at all levels? To me, that's what sport and athletics are all about.

Do you not enjoy kids playing sports? How about the intramural tennis players you have said you play with?

Sure you do. That's what you've told us. Old guy rec tennis, right?

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, pr.

 

[PlayerRep]

Because I’m a UM alum.


I don’t play intramural tennis.

I care. I prefer watching top-level athletics.

Okay, then why do you watch FCS? FBS and NFL are better.

Don't know why you don't like watching competitive games and competition at all levels? To me, that's what sport and athletics are all about.

Do you not enjoy kids playing sports? How about the intramural tennis players you have said you play with?

Sure you do. That's what you've told us. Old guy rec tennis, right?

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, pr.

Are you going to deny that you play, or played, tennis? Including in a rec league where you live?

 

[EverettGriz]

I play tennis. Not in a rec league.

But I know you have to be right, because you lack any self-confidence, so sure, or, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

 

[PlayerRep]

I play tennis. Not in a rec league.

But I know you have to be right, because you lack any self-confidence, so sure, or, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Some of us looked up your rec league stats a few years ago.

 

[grizindabox]

I play tennis. Not in a rec league.

But I know you have to be right, because you lack any self-confidence, so sure, or, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Some of us looked up your rec league stats a few years ago.

 

[EverettGriz]

Hey, hey! Your life has meaning, too, pr!

 

[Htowngriz]

Great opportunity to dust this one off.

 

[ilovethecats]

Coaches can move on from a team and coach right away, so players should be able to play. A lot of player go to a certain school because of a coach, and under the system it’s never been fair to the players! It’s about time the NCAA-“National Communists Against Athletics” as Tark called them-came around! Under these new rules, Gaskins and Steadman would have played this year! Can you imagine?

I get so tired of the argument that if coaches can leave why can't the players. Comparing a job with a non-job is ludicrous. I understand the problems with the system, but you are comparing an apple to an orange. And yes, college basketball is not a "job".

Fundamentally I disagree with you in regards to whether or not college athletics are perceived as a job. I don't wanna get all PR on you....but I don't think you were a D1 athlete if you have this view. At least not one in the last 20 or so years. Call it whatever you want, but if it's not considered a job that is fine I guess. But the demands of being a student athlete are so much so that the possibility of having a "real" job is just not there. It's full-time, but I suppose it could be called anything. But I digress...

Let's say I agree with you and comparing the options that coaches have because it's their job is way different than the athletes because playing and going to school is not their job. Shouldn't athletes at the very least have the same options as every other student on campus? Kids switch majors, schools, divisions, states and countries every semester. They do it because they need to find something that works best for them and their futures. I don't see why athletes should be any different?

Look, I get that we are all fans. We love these athletes. Watching them compete makes us happy. We feel like we are part of something. If we didn't, boards like this and conversations like ours wouldn't exist. But they're still just kids playing a sport and more importantly getting an education. And while I agree that it stings when Johnny All-American QB decides to leave for another school; it really should be no different than when Sally Engineer decides she wants to switch to Sally Pre-Med.

 

[atomik235]

Coaches can move on from a team and coach right away, so players should be able to play. A lot of player go to a certain school because of a coach, and under the system it’s never been fair to the players! It’s about time the NCAA-“National Communists Against Athletics” as Tark called them-came around! Under these new rules, Gaskins and Steadman would have played this year! Can you imagine?

I get so tired of the argument that if coaches can leave why can't the players. Comparing a job with a non-job is ludicrous. I understand the problems with the system, but you are comparing an apple to an orange. And yes, college basketball is not a "job".

Fundamentally I disagree with you in regards to whether or not college athletics are perceived as a job. I don't wanna get all PR on you....but I don't think you were a D1 athlete if you have this view. At least not one in the last 20 or so years. Call it whatever you want, but if it's not considered a job that is fine I guess. But the demands of being a student athlete are so much so that the possibility of having a "real" job is just not there. It's full-time, but I suppose it could be called anything. But I digress...

Let's say I agree with you and comparing the options that coaches have because it's their job is way different than the athletes because playing and going to school is not their job. Shouldn't athletes at the very least have the same options as every other student on campus? Kids switch majors, schools, divisions, states and countries every semester. They do it because they need to find something that works best for them and their futures. I don't see why athletes should be any different?

Look, I get that we are all fans. We love these athletes. Watching them compete makes us happy. We feel like we are part of something. If we didn't, boards like this and conversations like ours wouldn't exist. But they're still just kids playing a sport and more importantly getting an education. And while I agree that it stings when Johnny All-American QB decides to leave for another school; it really should be no different than when Sally Engineer decides she wants to switch to Sally Pre-Med.

:clap:

 

[grizindabox]

Fundamentally I disagree with you in regards to whether or not college athletics are perceived as a job. I don't wanna get all PR on you....but I don't think you were a D1 athlete if you have this view. At least not one in the last 20 or so years. Call it whatever you want, but if it's not considered a job that is fine I guess. But the demands of being a student athlete are so much so that the possibility of having a "real" job is just not there. It's full-time, but I suppose it could be called anything. But I digress...

Fundamentally I agree that it is "perceived" as a job, and I understand the demands, but that does not make it the same. This here is part of what needs to be addressed and defined.

Let's say I agree with you and comparing the options that coaches have because it's their job is way different than the athletes because playing and going to school is not their job. Shouldn't athletes at the very least have the same options as every other student on campus? Kids switch majors, schools, divisions, states and countries every semester. They do it because they need to find something that works best for them and their futures. I don't see why athletes should be any different?

Because athletes are different. They agree to different conditions than the normal student. I totally understand that the system for the college athlete needs to be fixed.

Look, I get that we are all fans. We love these athletes. Watching them compete makes us happy. We feel like we are part of something. If we didn't, boards like this and conversations like ours wouldn't exist. But they're still just kids playing a sport and more importantly getting an education. And while I agree that it stings when Johnny All-American QB decides to leave for another school; it really should be no different than when Sally Engineer decides she wants to switch to Sally Pre-Med.

They are not the same. The athlete signs an agreement with the school that Sally doesn't.