Coaches?

[kemajic]

On the other hand, I would be worried if the AD did not at least have a staffer "keep track of sentiment" here. After all, for better or worse, this board is a place where die-hard Griz fans hang out and blow off steam. From a marketing standpoint, I would want to keep a finger on that pulse, even if I was not inclined to do anything immediate as a result. (But then, perhaps they're not that creative.)

PR handles that for Haslam. So all he gets is spin.

 

[ordigger]

Does any one know for real:

Do the coaches ever read EGriz?
Do the coaches really even notice the Offense has problems?
Do the coaches know how effective JJ is at throwing from the rollout?
Do the coaches look at past film from say, 2011 when JJ was so outstanding?
Do coaches really care what fans think?

I am speaking specifically about the Griz coaching staff.
Seems to me with all the EGriz opinions on this board, our coaching staff should be the greatest ever....

1. Do the coaches ever read EGriz? Of course they do but mostly for entertainment purposes. The vast majority of opinions on egriz is more of a source of humor. Imagine if someone created a whole message board about your job, only seeing the final product and understanding about 15% - 20% of the effort into it and all the message board did was bitch about it.

2. Do the coaches know the offense has problems Yes, of course. The coaches want the offense to score 60 points per game just like the fans do. What they realize though is that they're limited by personnel and the opponents they play. They do the best they can with the players they have.

3. Do the coaches know how effective JJ is throwing on the rollout They keep track of that stuff, so yes. They also take into account other factors of what works and what doesn't work against the opponent and sometimes roll-outs aren't the best. Take NDSU for example, they have some of the fastest LBs in the FCS - too many rollouts was probably going to lead to an even more punishing day for JJ.

4. Do the coaches look at past film from 2011 on JJ Doubt it, they see him every single day in practice and use and prepare him for playing in the now, not from 2011.

5. Do the coaches really care what fans think Kind of an interesting question. My guess is that the coaches do care about the fans because they realize without the fans there is no program. They also realize that without especially the boosters in place they are extremely more limited than they currently are. That said I think they also consider a lot of the fans opinions to be simplistic, reactionary, and uninformed - for the most part.

Maybe a bad comparison but it could be like asking if our military commanders care about what US citizens think. There's an obvious recognition that they're there for the citizens but in many cases the individual citizens opinions are mostly worthless b/c they're simplistic, reactionary, and uninformed.

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Just my guess there.

For the life of me I can't figure out what a realtor actually does. Obviously not much. Usually watching tv, and just getting people to sign paperwork. Wish we all had that easy. No talent needed. Heck, the even have so much time they can write randomly for blogs. Can you imagine someone actually bitching about your job? lol

BTW for #5, there is a clear difference between a "fan" and an "eGriz fan" so more likely to care about what fans in general think, not some psycho that posts over 1980 times.

edit....maybe that was 1976 times.

 

[clawman]

Does any one know for real:

Do the coaches ever read EGriz?
Do the coaches really even notice the Offense has problems?
Do the coaches know how effective JJ is at throwing from the rollout?
Do the coaches look at past film from say, 2011 when JJ was so outstanding?
Do coaches really care what fans think?

I am speaking specifically about the Griz coaching staff.
Seems to me with all the EGriz opinions on this board, our coaching staff should be the greatest ever....

So what do you think coaches do all week?? Sit around planning their off season cruise and pitching pennies until about Thur and then pack for the next road trip????????????
This thread is a waste of internet space!

 

[clawman]

Does any one know for real:

Do the coaches ever read EGriz?
Do the coaches really even notice the Offense has problems?
Do the coaches know how effective JJ is at throwing from the rollout?
Do the coaches look at past film from say, 2011 when JJ was so outstanding?
Do coaches really care what fans think?

I am speaking specifically about the Griz coaching staff.
Seems to me with all the EGriz opinions on this board, our coaching staff should be the greatest ever....

So what do you think coaches do all week?? Sit around planning their off season cruise and pitching pennies until about Thur and then pack for the next road trip????????????
This thread is a waste of internet space!

 

[BWahlberg]

Does any one know for real:

Do the coaches ever read EGriz?
Do the coaches really even notice the Offense has problems?
Do the coaches know how effective JJ is at throwing from the rollout?
Do the coaches look at past film from say, 2011 when JJ was so outstanding?
Do coaches really care what fans think?

I am speaking specifically about the Griz coaching staff.
Seems to me with all the EGriz opinions on this board, our coaching staff should be the greatest ever....

1. Do the coaches ever read EGriz? Of course they do but mostly for entertainment purposes. The vast majority of opinions on egriz is more of a source of humor. Imagine if someone created a whole message board about your job, only seeing the final product and understanding about 15% - 20% of the effort into it and all the message board did was bitch about it.

2. Do the coaches know the offense has problems Yes, of course. The coaches want the offense to score 60 points per game just like the fans do. What they realize though is that they're limited by personnel and the opponents they play. They do the best they can with the players they have.

3. Do the coaches know how effective JJ is throwing on the rollout They keep track of that stuff, so yes. They also take into account other factors of what works and what doesn't work against the opponent and sometimes roll-outs aren't the best. Take NDSU for example, they have some of the fastest LBs in the FCS - too many rollouts was probably going to lead to an even more punishing day for JJ.

4. Do the coaches look at past film from 2011 on JJ Doubt it, they see him every single day in practice and use and prepare him for playing in the now, not from 2011.

5. Do the coaches really care what fans think Kind of an interesting question. My guess is that the coaches do care about the fans because they realize without the fans there is no program. They also realize that without especially the boosters in place they are extremely more limited than they currently are. That said I think they also consider a lot of the fans opinions to be simplistic, reactionary, and uninformed - for the most part.

Maybe a bad comparison but it could be like asking if our military commanders care about what US citizens think. There's an obvious recognition that they're there for the citizens but in many cases the individual citizens opinions are mostly worthless b/c they're simplistic, reactionary, and uninformed.

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Just my guess there.

For the life of me I can't figure out what a realtor actually does. Obviously not much. Usually watching tv, and just getting people to sign paperwork. Wish we all had that easy. No talent needed. Heck, the even have so much time they can write randomly for blogs. Can you imagine someone actually bitching about your job? lol

BTW for #5, there is a clear difference between a "fan" and an "eGriz fan" so more likely to care about what fans in general think, not some psycho that posts over 1980 times.

edit....maybe that was 1976 times.

All good buddy, get your license and let's see how you do in the business if it's so easy.

Also one thing I enjoy about being self employed is that I can find time to post on this message board. Nice little perk.

 

[ordigger]

Does any one know for real:

Do the coaches ever read EGriz?
Do the coaches really even notice the Offense has problems?
Do the coaches know how effective JJ is at throwing from the rollout?
Do the coaches look at past film from say, 2011 when JJ was so outstanding?
Do coaches really care what fans think?

I am speaking specifically about the Griz coaching staff.
Seems to me with all the EGriz opinions on this board, our coaching staff should be the greatest ever....

1. Do the coaches ever read EGriz? Of course they do but mostly for entertainment purposes. The vast majority of opinions on egriz is more of a source of humor. Imagine if someone created a whole message board about your job, only seeing the final product and understanding about 15% - 20% of the effort into it and all the message board did was bitch about it.

2. Do the coaches know the offense has problems Yes, of course. The coaches want the offense to score 60 points per game just like the fans do. What they realize though is that they're limited by personnel and the opponents they play. They do the best they can with the players they have.

3. Do the coaches know how effective JJ is throwing on the rollout They keep track of that stuff, so yes. They also take into account other factors of what works and what doesn't work against the opponent and sometimes roll-outs aren't the best. Take NDSU for example, they have some of the fastest LBs in the FCS - too many rollouts was probably going to lead to an even more punishing day for JJ.

4. Do the coaches look at past film from 2011 on JJ Doubt it, they see him every single day in practice and use and prepare him for playing in the now, not from 2011.

5. Do the coaches really care what fans think Kind of an interesting question. My guess is that the coaches do care about the fans because they realize without the fans there is no program. They also realize that without especially the boosters in place they are extremely more limited than they currently are. That said I think they also consider a lot of the fans opinions to be simplistic, reactionary, and uninformed - for the most part.

Maybe a bad comparison but it could be like asking if our military commanders care about what US citizens think. There's an obvious recognition that they're there for the citizens but in many cases the individual citizens opinions are mostly worthless b/c they're simplistic, reactionary, and uninformed.

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Just my guess there.

For the life of me I can't figure out what a realtor actually does. Obviously not much. Usually watching tv, and just getting people to sign paperwork. Wish we all had that easy. No talent needed. Heck, the even have so much time they can write randomly for blogs. Can you imagine someone actually bitching about your job? lol

BTW for #5, there is a clear difference between a "fan" and an "eGriz fan" so more likely to care about what fans in general think, not some psycho that posts over 1980 times.

edit....maybe that was 1976 times.

All good buddy, get your license and let's see how you do in the business if it's so easy.

Also one thing I enjoy about being self employed is that I can find time to post on this message board. Nice little perk.

Did you miss the joke? I put in the lol.

 

[BWahlberg]

Aw crap, rough day yesterday, sorry man. Haha

 

[rocklobster]

Just a bootleg now and then for Jordan to keep the over-zealous defenses off balance. Please.

 

[bigkid]

In today's GF Tribune Delaney seems to indicate that the scheme on offense isn't the problem but the mistakes and execution have the most effect on a struggling offense. I agree with statements as they refer to a young offensive line unable to execute but I disagree with the idea that this offensive coaching staff doesn't garner some of the blame. IMO Coach Delaney and the co-coordinators have designed a game plan that is easy to defend and difficult to execute with the players we have. Will they grow and get better..yes.
Will they win games...yes(defense) They can't ask a 3rd grader to pass a AP Calculus Exam and that's where I feel were at. Bottom line is we can and will beat teams that are less talented but will struggle against more experienced and better coached teams. Personally I have no idea where the learning curvre is for the o-line but teams like Cal Poly,Sac State and msu will give this offense fits if both scheme and execution don't improve and quick.

Bottom line is Delaney is unable to change and is going to stick with the things he is familiar with. Time will tell if we have the players on offense to succeed.

Go Griz!!

 

[ordigger]

In today's GF Tribune Delaney seems to indicate that the scheme on offense isn't the problem but the mistakes and execution have the most effect on a struggling offense. I agree with statements as they refer to a young offensive line unable to execute but I disagree with the idea that this offensive coaching staff doesn't garner some of the blame. IMO Coach Delaney and the co-coordinators have designed a game plan that is easy to defend and difficult to execute with the players we have. Will they grow and get better..yes.
Will they win games...yes(defense) They can't ask a 3rd grader to pass a AP Calculus Exam and that's where I feel were at. Bottom line is we can and will beat teams that are less talented but will struggle against more experienced and better coached teams. Personally I have no idea where the learning curvre is for the o-line but teams like Cal Poly,Sac State and msu will give this offense fits if both scheme and execution don't improve and quick.

Bottom line is Delaney is unable to change and is going to stick with the things he is familiar with. Time will tell if we have the players on offense to succeed.

Go Griz!!

Wasn't it Craig Bohl who actually said we run a very complex and hard to defend offense?

 

[PlayerRep]

In today's GF Tribune Delaney seems to indicate that the scheme on offense isn't the problem but the mistakes and execution have the most effect on a struggling offense. I agree with statements as they refer to a young offensive line unable to execute but I disagree with the idea that this offensive coaching staff doesn't garner some of the blame. IMO Coach Delaney and the co-coordinators have designed a game plan that is easy to defend and difficult to execute with the players we have. Will they grow and get better..yes.
Will they win games...yes(defense) They can't ask a 3rd grader to pass a AP Calculus Exam and that's where I feel were at. Bottom line is we can and will beat teams that are less talented but will struggle against more experienced and better coached teams. Personally I have no idea where the learning curvre is for the o-line but teams like Cal Poly,Sac State and msu will give this offense fits if both scheme and execution don't improve and quick.

Bottom line is Delaney is unable to change and is going to stick with the things he is familiar with. Time will tell if we have the players on offense to succeed.

Go Griz!!

My general view, not specific to UM, is that an offensive system can't be changed, and shouldn't be changed, during a season. While adjustments can be made, and emphasis of play types within the existing system can be changed, it would be extremely difficult to significantly alter the system. There just isn't time to install and practice a new system. Coaches make adjustments within their system from week to week, but they stay within the system, and perhaps add a play or two or revive an existing play or two or so that hasn't been used or practiced much for some time.

For example, it is just not possible or wise to go from a balanced offense to a spread offense in mid-season. A spread offense takes alot of work and practice, to learn and to execute with precision. Running a spread/hurry-up offense usually comes with different conditioning, requiring more stamina for running more plays per game in a hurry-up fashion. Using a spread/hurry-up also requires coaches who are experienced in teaching and calling that type offense, as well as believing in it. By the way, I'm not suggesting that posters calling for major adjustments in the offense are wanting to move to a spread offense; this was just an example.

Lastly, some posters keep saying that UM's players were recruited for a spread offense. For the most part, that just isn't true, in my view. UM has generally recruited good high school players and good athletes, and taken the best available. For the most part, they have not recruited players just for one type of offense.

 

[NativeGriz]

All I know is Montana is 17-11 with no playoffs wins in the last 2+ years... Have the Griz since 1993 ever have such a bad run?

Griz didn't win a playoff game from 1997- 1999. They went 25-11 over that time period. Of course the Griz then were coming off back-back NC appearances, and were not on probation with reduced scholarships, or dealing with having their starting QB suspended during that time period.

Last time we had those types of losses and no playoff wins.
Coach with Butte Connection
Initials: MD
First name Mick.

At least the first Mick never lost to state.
I realize the '96 MD coached team won playoff games, but that was largely Don Read's team.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

The dumbest thing ever is the dual Offensive Coordinator bullshit were trying to do...that does not work anywhere! There is no way two different people can view something exactly the same...to get perfectly on the same page

 

[GrizzleMoose]

In today's GF Tribune Delaney seems to indicate that the scheme on offense isn't the problem but the mistakes and execution have the most effect on a struggling offense. I agree with statements as they refer to a young offensive line unable to execute but I disagree with the idea that this offensive coaching staff doesn't garner some of the blame. IMO Coach Delaney and the co-coordinators have designed a game plan that is easy to defend and difficult to execute with the players we have. Will they grow and get better..yes.
Will they win games...yes(defense) They can't ask a 3rd grader to pass a AP Calculus Exam and that's where I feel were at. Bottom line is we can and will beat teams that are less talented but will struggle against more experienced and better coached teams. Personally I have no idea where the learning curvre is for the o-line but teams like Cal Poly,Sac State and msu will give this offense fits if both scheme and execution don't improve and quick.

Bottom line is Delaney is unable to change and is going to stick with the things he is familiar with. Time will tell if we have the players on offense to succeed.

Go Griz!!

Wasn't it Craig Bohl who actually said we run a very complex and hard to defend offense?

Yes, we actually do run a very complicated offense with a lot of different formations, sets, and reads. The problem right now is a combination of execution and situational football. The offensive plays are called as a basic set or formation and then jordy is given the job to call the play or reads at the line. He basically has to take what he is given based on the the formation or set that is called. I think that a lot of the issues are more the situational calls by the offensive coordinator at certain points in the game coupled with execution. Both are lacking at this point in time. For example, I formation may be working with reads for run or passing the ball but then we seem to go away from it on an entire series and go 3 and out. Not sure how much of it is jordy making the wrong call at the Los but I do think that the overall situational play calling is lacking. Find what works and go with it, make adjustments as needed and put your qb in situations where he can make things happen instinctively. I just think they are forcing jordy to make bad decisions based on poor situational football and need to dumb it down a little bit and pound away rather than forcing him to have to continuously go for the big play.

I do think that the offense will eventually start to click and once we do, look out. However the coordinators need to quit forcing things that they hope WILL work rather than what IS working and make adjustments as needed. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Triwest]

The dumbest thing ever is the dual Offensive Coordinator bullshit were trying to do...that does not work anywhere! There is no way two different people can view something exactly the same...to get perfectly on the same page

I do not necessarily like the dual Offensive Coordinator idea either. But the statement it does not work anywhere is pretty narrow and short sighted. Football programs that use it include Florida State (defending FBS national Champions), Auburn, Michigan State and Ohio State to name a few. Those programs among others have had it work pretty well.

 

[WaGriz4life]

The dumbest thing ever is the dual Offensive Coordinator bullshit were trying to do...that does not work anywhere! There is no way two different people can view something exactly the same...to get perfectly on the same page

I'd say Florida State had a pretty successful season last year with co-coordinators on offense. Ohio State and Baylor have pretty decent offenses as well.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

The dumbest thing ever is the dual Offensive Coordinator bullshit were trying to do...that does not work anywhere! There is no way two different people can view something exactly the same...to get perfectly on the same page

I do not necessarily like the dual Offensive Coordinator idea either. But the statement it does not work anywhere is pretty narrow and short sighted. Football programs that use it include Florida State (defending FBS national Champions), Auburn, Michigan State and Ohio State to name a few. Those programs among others have had it work pretty well.

So then its not the system, its the coaches in the system.

 

[WaGriz4life]

The dumbest thing ever is the dual Offensive Coordinator bullshit were trying to do...that does not work anywhere! There is no way two different people can view something exactly the same...to get perfectly on the same page

I do not necessarily like the dual Offensive Coordinator idea either. But the statement it does not work anywhere is pretty narrow and short sighted. Football programs that use it include Florida State (defending FBS national Champions), Auburn, Michigan State and Ohio State to name a few. Those programs among others have had it work pretty well.

So then its not the system, its the coaches in the system.

No it's that we have two true freshman playing tackle because of injuries and we can't block some teams up front.

 

[mtgrizrule]

The dumbest thing ever is the dual Offensive Coordinator bullshit were trying to do...that does not work anywhere! There is no way two different people can view something exactly the same...to get perfectly on the same page

I do not necessarily like the dual Offensive Coordinator idea either. But the statement it does not work anywhere is pretty narrow and short sighted. Football programs that use it include Florida State (defending FBS national Champions), Auburn, Michigan State and Ohio State to name a few. Those programs among others have had it work pretty well.

So then its not the system, its the coaches in the system.

No it's that we have two true freshman playing tackle because of injuries and we can't block some teams up front.

That is true. However, it is also true that it is the job of the coaches to implement proper strategy to lessen the burden on the young OL. How can they do that? Change their damn passing tree and emphasize quicker passing. They have yet to do that. Even in 20113, we had an experienced offensive line, yet why did they struggle against to consistently protect JJ and execute the passing game against playoff caliber teams? What is the common factor from year to year? The coaches and their strategy is the only thing in common. Why don't some fans understand this is on the coaches? To date, our offensive coordinators have not proven they are willing or able to make the necessary changes to better the offense and the team!!!

 

[Grizbeer]

I do not necessarily like the dual Offensive Coordinator idea either. But the statement it does not work anywhere is pretty narrow and short sighted. Football programs that use it include Florida State (defending FBS national Champions), Auburn, Michigan State and Ohio State to name a few. Those programs among others have had it work pretty well.

So then its not the system, its the coaches in the system.

No it's that we have two true freshman playing tackle because of injuries and we can't block some teams up front.

That is true. However, it is also true that it is the job of the coaches to implement proper strategy to lessen the burden on the young OL. How can they do that? Change their damn passing tree and emphasize quicker passing. They have yet to do that. Even in 20113, we had an experienced offensive line, yet why did they struggle against to consistently protect JJ and execute the passing game against playoff caliber teams? What is the common factor from year to year? The coaches and their strategy is the only thing in common. Why don't some fans understand this is on the coaches? To date, our offensive coordinators have not proven they are willing or able to make the necessary changes to better the offense and the team!!!

Interesting. Griz lost 3 games last year. In 1 game they lost 3 fumbles, 2 of which were returned for a touchdown (one a 98 yard return that was a swing of 14 points) while JJ threw for almost 300 yards.

In second loss JJ threw for almost 350 yards, and the O rolled up 480 yards and 37 points but the D gave up 42 points and 540 yards of O (457 through the air).

In the 3rd loss, in one of the coldest games in Griz playoff history, the Griz scored 35 points, rolled up 557 yards of O , including 388 passing yards, but turned the ball over on downs twice on 4th and 6 around the CC 30 (likely due to inconsistency of the kicker combined with cold weather making kicking FG a low probability). The defense gave up 42 points and 476 yards.

JJ was among the highest rated QB's in the country through the first 1/3rd of the season.

Based on all that you deduced the offensive coordinators don't know how to coach or scheme to protect the QB or have a productive passing game?