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COACHES COMPENSATION

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dancingbear

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There is no question that Wayne and his staff are hot commodities in the coaching ranks now. And make no mistake there will be major money offers from bigger schools that Montana will not be able to match. These are both givens and no one could blame him or them for going after better offers with longer term guarantees. Knowing Tinks and his character which has been mentioned multiple times on this board I don't think it is as much about the money but the feeling of being able to build a dynasty here in Missoula. We have done it with football why can't we do it with basketball? Sure the compensation needs to be addressed and with the Regents meeting soon that is where the money will come from. But beyond that there are things we as fans can do to help in this process. Grizzly Roundball is a organization that meets for lunch five or 6 times a season where Tinks and the coaches talk about the games but also answer questions about recruits, schedules, rotations, substituting and whatever else comes up. The cost is $500. All this money goes into the recruiting budget for coaches travel and expenses. Is $500 too much for some? Maybe but how about two people with each putting in $250 and splitting the lunches? I don't know if this would fly with the powers to be but it would get more people active in the process. Lets face it basketball has had to play second fiddle to our football team and its time to elevate our success on the roundball court to keep it going strong. Success breeds success.
I would hope that maybe we can use this forum to collect ideas as how we can build on our success and maintain the momentum going forward. I know this has been proposed many times on this board and they all seem to die on the vine. If only one or two ideas get put into action we are further ahead.
 
I think the problem is "travel and expenses". How about focusing on private funding for increased benefits to them. Can someone discuss the legalities of this? What about private housing stipends or vehicle stipends? I don't think it is necessary to compete with the Gonzagas of the world, but a salary equivalent to $250,000-$325,000 would be nice considering the value added to the school. Montana needs to get over this equal opportunity BS. Pay based on merits, what a novel concept!
 
Someone, I think from Weber mentioned that RR was compensated in the 250/275 range with maybe half of that coming from an endowment or some type of trust fund set up for coaches compensation. We certainly have the ability to do that if two or three big donors would step up. The AD has been so occupied with the new facilities campaign fund that not enough attention has gone towards improving coaches compensation. And it needs to filter down to the assistants as well. There can be significant tax advantages to setting up a endowment but it would take a tax attorney to set it up. Unfortunately there are few if any egrizzers who are capable of this type of donation. Although there seem to be enough egos on this board to endow a chair of sports authority for the university.
 
It is unfortunate these things cannot be set up with "BIG" Egos. Damn it, we would be better off than the SEC, if that were the case.
 
among us egrizzers we have a former ref and self-proclaimed business tycoon with a sunny disposition and a reputation for tipping a few at stocks before exiting the back door, lickety-split. i don't know how much money he has, but i do know that if he put his money where his mouth is, that would be a lot of money. does he bleed maroon and silver? many on this board would like to see.
 
Why do we continually accept the fact that our coaches are grossly under paid? Sooner or later we have to either step up and pay our coaches at least on par with the top tier FCS teams in FB and the top tier mid majors in BB or drop down and play Div 2. Hogan once said "if other schools aren't trying to steal our coaches, we hired the wrong coach" ......He was right on with that comment, however we make their choice far too easy by under compensating them. When I see what many of the other FCS schools are paying their coaches for teams that draw less then 10 k for their FB games and the same with mid major BB coaches we should be embarrassed. The Butler coach was getting around $600 k even before he ever made the final 4. Gonzaga used to be in the Big Sky. Their coaches get three times plus what we pay and they don't seem in any kind of hurry to leave. Wayne should be getting twice what he's getting. Even that is at the low end for a Div 1 school but it would probably make moving on less attractive.

If we're going to play Div 1 then we should at least be competitive in all areas. I understand there is a policy that no state employee can make more then the governor. Well if we win a game or two in the big dance a lot of people across the country will know who Wayne Tinkle is, while no one outside of Montana will know who the governor is. Star athletes in the pros make more then the coaches. Sales people often make more then their, managers. There's not a solid reason why the governor has to make more then a coach that brings a lot of positive attention to the University the city and the state.



I posted this in an earlier thread but it was already buried down the list at the time and didn't get notice. So sorry if this is a repeat to any of you that saw it before.
 
Because for some unknown absolutely pathetic reason the Board of Regents seems to feel that regardless of merit or performance all university administrators, i.e. coaches included, are to be paid at the same level. I personally am a fan of Brad Huse at MSU. Does anyone on this board seriously think that based on this years performance Brad and Wayne should be compensated at the same rate? Of course there are incentives for coaches winning the Championship and APR performance bit it is a pittance in comparison to institutions of similar size and achievement. Can anyone honestly say that the U of M will not be a benefactor of increased contributions by Alumni and friends because of our athletic success?
The B of R may make a cursory symbol of support to Wayne and staff by giving them a COLA but the only way to truly get our coaches pay on par with similar institutions is to some how fund an endowment from the private sector to be administered by an independent panel that bases it recommendations on criteria established to promote athletic achievement on and off the field. This way and only this way will we be able to get fair and equitable compensation for our coaches.
 
If everyone who posted a remark on this board would donate .10 cents for each remark to a coaches retention fund we would have the highest paid coaches in the nation. Where do I send my $9.20?
 
Salary Ranges

College basketball coaches earned an average annual salary in 2010 of $1.6 million, according to an April 2010 USA Today study. Salaries range from about $75,000 for the basketball coach at Binghamton University to more than $4 million a year for Duke University's head coach. The USA Today study showed that about 30 Division I men's basketball coaches make more than $1 million a year, with many earning well over that. Salaries for other coaches range from $900,000 down to $75,000.


Louisville Rick Pitino $6,100,000
Duke Mike Krzyzewski $4,195,519
Kentucky John Calipari$3,800,000
Kansas Bill Self $3,375,656 $
Florida Billy Donovan $3,575,400
Michigan State Tom Izzo $3,090,000
Ohio State Thad Matta $2,542,000
Arizona Sean Miller $1,950,000
Connecticut Jim Calhoun $2,300,000
Texas Rick Barnes $2,200,000
UCLA Ben Howland $2,010,000
Georgetown John Thompson $1,829,757
West Virginia Bob Huggins $1,800,000
Villanova Jay Wright $1,803,397
Wisconsin Bo Ryan $1,700,000
Michigan John Beilein $1,700,000
Vanderbilt Kevin Stallings $1,710,742
North Carolina Roy Williams $1,655,000
Texas A&M Mark Turgeon $1,600,000
Illinois Bruce Weber $1,500,000
Florida State Leonard Hamilton $1,500,000
Tennessee Bruce Pearl $1,500,000
Pittsburgh Jamie Dixon $1,389,951
Kansas State Frank Martin $1,368,000
Syracuse Jim Boeheim $1,351,751
Georgia Mark Fox $1,300,000 $
Washington Lorenzo Romar $1,297,020
Purdue Matt Painter $1,290,284
UNLV Lon Kruger $1,140,000 $0 $1,140,000
Missouri Mike Anderson $1,138,750
Cincinnati Mick Cronin $1,000,000
Clemson Brad Brownell $900,000
Gonzaga Mark Few $922,854
Memphis Josh Pastner $915,000
Marquette Buzz Williams $876,282
Notre Dame Mike Brey $781,643
George Mason Jim Larranaga $605,000
Penn State Ed DeChellis $709,372
Temple Fran Dunphy $706,000
Alabama-Birmingham Mike Davis $635,000
Utah State Stew Morrill $551,444
San Diego State Steve Fisher $258,620
Belmont Rick Byrd $498,285
Butler Brad Stevens $434,382
Virginia Commonwealth Shaka Smart $418,000
Richmond Chris Mooney $362,339
Akron Keith Dambrot $320,000
Arkansas-Little Rock Steve Shields $183,843
Old Dominion Blaine Taylor $268,000
California- Santa Barbara Bob Williams $234,270
Oakland Greg Kampe $167,750
Indiana State Greg Lansing $190,000
Morehead State Donnie Tyndall $174,200
Bucknell Dave Paulsen $166,819
Texas-San Antonio Brooks Thompson $126,740
Alabama State Lewis Jackson $122,717
North Carolina-Asheville Eddie Biedenbach $100,000
Northern Colorado B.J. Hill $85,000

Check out what these guys are making, compare their records and tell me if Tinkle's getting what he deserves. It's so easy for one of us to say, "He's not in it for the money!" But be real! This guy can set his family up for life! Unless he's not paid what he's worth by our university system, he should move on to a higher level. None of my business what he gets paid, but I'm thinking he deserves more.
 
Rockygriz said:
$122,956.00
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OOOF. Thanks. And I don't mean to suggest that such pay is low in general, it's just low compared to his peers . . . however one wants to define "peers."

I don't know the man, but were I in his shoes, I would take a serious look at a 250k-ish offer in a nice location.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Rockygriz said:
$122,956.00
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OOOF. Thanks. And I don't mean to suggest that such pay is low in general, it's just low compared to his peers . . . however one wants to define "peers."

I don't know the man, but were I in his shoes, I would take a serious look at a 250k-ish offer in a nice location.
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For his body of work and accomplishments, I agree.
 
Rockygriz said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Rockygriz said:
$122,956.00
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OOOF. Thanks. And I don't mean to suggest that such pay is low in general, it's just low compared to his peers . . . however one wants to define "peers."

I don't know the man, but were I in his shoes, I would take a serious look at a 250k-ish offer in a nice location.
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For his body of work and accomplishments, I agree.
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Totally, man. I might be off base to some, but my whole deal is this: If somebody in an identical position is making substantially more than me, and I am as, or in this case more, professionally accomplished than that person by an objective measure, I am open to all offers.

I would not fault Tinkle in the least for chasing the kind of coin that UM will never pay.
 
Just going through the old pre-season stuff, here is the article on Tinkle's contract talks from earlier in the season:

UM, Tinkle working on contract extension

University of Montana Athletic Director Jim O’Day and men’s basketball coach Wayne Tinkle are working on a three-year contract extension for the sixth-year coach, O’Day said Tuesday.

“We’ve been visiting with the president about it and he has some ideas, I have some ideas and Wayne has some ideas,” O’Day said. “We’re just trying to put it all together. It would be another three-year extension.”

A new deal has been in the works ever since Fresno State interviewed Tinkle for its vacant head coaching position last spring. That job would have paid Tinkle in the neighborhood of $500,00 a year.

Tinkle’s base salary for this season is $122,596. There are also various incentives based on the success of his team both in the classroom and on the court.

“Your base pay is not going to be able to change much,” O’Day said. “You’re going to have to look at more incentives. That’s what we’re going to look at — how we get more academic incentives, APR incentives, things like that in the contract.”

Tinkle said he’s confident a deal will get done.

“With the support that I have here on campus, I think it’s a formality, really,” Tinkle said. “I say that very sincerely. We have great relationships and what we’ve done in the last three years speaks for itself.”

Tinkle’s current contract contains a 100 percent buyout clause, meaning Tinkle would have to pay the school his remaining salary if he were to leave before the end on the contract.

“That’s been a hang-up, it was a hang-up for Bobby Hauck,” O’Day said, referring to UM’s former football coach who worked on a series of one-year contracts. “That’s a question that has come up before and we’re continuing to look at that as well.”

Tinkle brings a record of 91-64 into this season, which begins Friday at Colorado State. He ranks fifth on the school’s all-time coaching wins list and needs just seven to pass Stew Morrill, Tinkle’s coach when he played at Montana. Tinkle took the Griz to the NCAA tournament in 2010 and made it to the Big Sky championship game last season.

“I think it’s just a process that has to run its course,” Tinkle said. “I’m confident that’s something we’re not going to have to worry about.”
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citay said:
among us egrizzers we have a former ref and self-proclaimed business tycoon with a sunny disposition and a reputation for tipping a few at stocks before exiting the back door, lickety-split. i don't know how much money he has, but i do know that if he put his money where his mouth is, that would be a lot of money. does he bleed maroon and silver? many on this board would like to see.
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well he only has seen 8 games over the last 3 years...so he doenst bleed maroon and silver when it comes to basketball
 
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