Coach Stitt (Combined threads)

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Because he's the head coach and for the time being, its his program. This isn't a "Barry Alvarez @ Wisconsin" kind of deal where the coach needs to come in and fit the school's system. And at Montana, the program's system got the school into some hot water, so it needed to change. And like everything else in football, that kind of change can't happen overnight. It takes a few years.

Very well said. To truly get the program on the right track and on pace for long term success it was always going to take time. No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

We got very lucky with a string of coaches who inherited talent and had matching systems. They were given a nice car and didn't crash it. That's something only one other program can say: Ohio State. At some point, luck was going to catch up, it hit a little too hard. That "nice car" got totaled. But at least we're in a position where our worst seasons are still winning seasons. It's not the end of the world. It just takes some time to get back up.

So of course we have unrealistic fans. But just because one thing worked back then, 15-20 years ago, does not mean it will work now.

You don't seem to have much knowledge of Griz football, or football either. UM has not had a string of coaches with matching systems. Since 2000, each new coach had a different system. Pflu took over from Hauck (pro set with some power), and then moved to a version of the spread. Delaney took over the spread and then changed it back to more power, doing much of the changeover in the 2d year.

UM has never come close to being "totaled". Jeez, Delaney's last 2 seasons were 9-5 and 10-3. Not so sure that 6-5 after 8-5, is the right trend. But, I'm still on board, and think Stitt could get it going this year.

You might want to do two things.

1) check the stats. Going from Read, to Glenn, to Hauck was pretty consistent and both Glenn and Hauck were given title contenders and had systems that fit the players already there.
2) Get your story straight. Is the sky falling under Stitt? Is he a bad coach? Or are things ok and patience is the right course?

And yes, the car was totaled. Big scandal and 2012 was the first losing season in about 2 decades. Add on the scholarship reductions, and damage to the reputation, it's lucky things hadn't gotten worse. Fixing those problems takes time.

 

[Grizzoola]

I think what he accomplished Mines was commendable given the type of athletes you have to recruit there. Given their rigid academic requirements I'd wager he had to pass on quite a bit of talent because they academically could not be admitted there. The fact that he did as well as he did given that handcuff I personally find pretty amazing.

Joe Glenn did not recommend him for no reason.

 

[PlayerRep]

Very well said. To truly get the program on the right track and on pace for long term success it was always going to take time. No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

We got very lucky with a string of coaches who inherited talent and had matching systems. They were given a nice car and didn't crash it. That's something only one other program can say: Ohio State. At some point, luck was going to catch up, it hit a little too hard. That "nice car" got totaled. But at least we're in a position where our worst seasons are still winning seasons. It's not the end of the world. It just takes some time to get back up.

So of course we have unrealistic fans. But just because one thing worked back then, 15-20 years ago, does not mean it will work now.

You don't seem to have much knowledge of Griz football, or football either. UM has not had a string of coaches with matching systems. Since 2000, each new coach had a different system. Pflu took over from Hauck (pro set with some power), and then moved to a version of the spread. Delaney took over the spread and then changed it back to more power, doing much of the changeover in the 2d year.

UM has never come close to being "totaled". Jeez, Delaney's last 2 seasons were 9-5 and 10-3. Not so sure that 6-5 after 8-5, is the right trend. But, I'm still on board, and think Stitt could get it going this year.

You might want to do two things.

1) check the stats. Going from Read, to Glenn, to Hauck was pretty consistent and both Glenn and Hauck were given title contenders and had systems that fit the players already there.
2) Get your story straight. Is the sky falling under Stitt? Is he a bad coach? Or are things ok and patience is the right course?

And yes, the car was totaled. Big scandal and 2012 was the first losing season in about 2 decades. Add on the scholarship reductions, and damage to the reputation, it's lucky things hadn't gotten worse. Fixing those problems takes time.

You don't have a clue. I'm putting you in my top 5 dumb football posters.

It didn't go from Read to Glenn. Think Dennehy. Hauck came in after Glenn's team had finished the season at 1-3, and a 5-2 conference season. Glenn and Hauck inherited reasonably good teams, just like Stitt did. Glenn and Hauck used systems initially that would work with the players they had.

It is just ridiculous to say the car was totaled. Not even close. A just plain stupid comment. The start of the "big scandal" was after the first losing season, by the way, and, again, was due largely to qb issues after Selle went down. Same issue for Delaney's first year with not having JJ. The "scandal" impacted JJ and that first year of Delaney, but the scandal has impacted UM as a school way more than UM as a football program.

My story is always straight. I understand football and have 25 years of solid understanding of Griz football and its history. You don't understand either.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think what he accomplished Mines was commendable given the type of athletes you have to recruit there. Given their rigid academic requirements I'd wager he had to pass on quite a bit of talent because they academically could not be admitted there. The fact that he did as well as he did given that handcuff I personally find pretty amazing.

Joe Glenn did not recommend him for no reason.

It's rumored that the offense and defense are being made more simple. Do you think it should have been done sooner.

 

[Grizzoola]

I think what he accomplished Mines was commendable given the type of athletes you have to recruit there. Given their rigid academic requirements I'd wager he had to pass on quite a bit of talent because they academically could not be admitted there. The fact that he did as well as he did given that handcuff I personally find pretty amazing.

Joe Glenn did not recommend him for no reason.

It's rumored that the offense and defense are being made more simple. Do you think it should have been done sooner.

Of course, rumors are not facts. All I know is that Coach Stitt spent time w/ Glenn at UNC. I'm sure a Glenn recommendation was not ignored. Whether or not Stitt's O & D will be simplified, no one but Stitt and his assistants knows.

 

[UMGriz75]

2) Get your story straight. Is the sky falling under Stitt? Is he a bad coach? Or are things ok and patience is the right course?

Bob Stitt already gave you his answer November 22, 2016.

The season was over. The old team was "gone."

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/stitt-takes-blame-for-disappointing-griz-football-season/article_5d8a80ec-4656-5b31-8a68-5fa2bd7831de.html

"There's a lot of reasons why things don't go right but ultimately it's me," said Stitt, the Grizzlies' second-year head coach. "It's me. I've got to get it done."

Stitt discussed his plans for a rebound season in 2017. Between now and Sept. 2, 2017, when the Griz kick off against Valparaiso at home, Stitt said he and his staff will reassess everything about the program.

From the coaching staff and how they coach, to the schemes they run and their personnel.

I've done a lot of thinking and soul searching and we're going to look at every little aspect of what we do," Stitt said. "Me as a manager managing them and every aspect of the program.

"... Internally it eats at me and eats at me and eats at me. I cannot sleep at night and I cannot enjoy anything unless our players are successful....

The Griz lost four of their final five games, including three on the road, culminating in a 24-17 loss to Montana State this past Saturday that made sure Montana missed the postseason for the first time since 2012 and the third time in the past seven years.

The skid and the way the games played out has Stitt taking a microscope to his program to find areas that need improving.

The old season was over. There was nothing to be gained from blaming former team. Indeed. Stitt made it clear to people like "ari gold," and "Stop HammerTime69," and "Paytonlives" aren't just "wrong."

They are being deceitful. They are trying to pretend that the Coach himself has not spoken directly on the point, and confirmed as directly as possible that it is a current issue through this off season until the first season kick-off.

 

[Grizzoola]

The old season was over. There was nothing to be gained from blaming former team. Indeed. Stitt made it clear to people like "ari gold," and "Stop HammerTime69," and "Paytonlives" aren't just "wrong." They are being deceitful. They are trying to pretend that the Coach himself has not spoken directly on the point, and confirmed as directly as possible that it is a current issue through this off season until the first season kick-off.

75, they and I only post in defense of Coach Stitt. That it is a "current issue" is only because you make it so. Altho I respect your posts, I'd like to know what evidence you have to dispute ari's explanation of the Griz's late season collapse, last year, an incredible phenomenon to me and many others. It's been a mystery, until ari cleared it up w/ a plausible explanation. What evidence do you have to refute it, and please be as specific as ari was in what he said.

 

[Paytonlives]

2) Get your story straight. Is the sky falling under Stitt? Is he a bad coach? Or are things ok and patience is the right course?

Bob Stitt already gave you his answer November 22, 2016.

The season was over. The old team was "gone."

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/stitt-takes-blame-for-disappointing-griz-football-season/article_5d8a80ec-4656-5b31-8a68-5fa2bd7831de.html

"There's a lot of reasons why things don't go right but ultimately it's me," said Stitt, the Grizzlies' second-year head coach. "It's me. I've got to get it done."

Stitt discussed his plans for a rebound season in 2017. Between now and Sept. 2, 2017, when the Griz kick off against Valparaiso at home, Stitt said he and his staff will reassess everything about the program.

From the coaching staff and how they coach, to the schemes they run and their personnel.

I've done a lot of thinking and soul searching and we're going to look at every little aspect of what we do," Stitt said. "Me as a manager managing them and every aspect of the program.

"... Internally it eats at me and eats at me and eats at me. I cannot sleep at night and I cannot enjoy anything unless our players are successful....

The Griz lost four of their final five games, including three on the road, culminating in a 24-17 loss to Montana State this past Saturday that made sure Montana missed the postseason for the first time since 2012 and the third time in the past seven years.

The skid and the way the games played out has Stitt taking a microscope to his program to find areas that need improving.

The old season was over. There was nothing to be gained from blaming former team. Indeed. Stitt made it clear to people like "ari gold," and "Stop HammerTime69," and "Paytonlives" aren't just "wrong."

They are being deceitful. They are trying to pretend that the Coach himself has not spoken directly on the point, and confirmed as directly as possible that it is a current issue through this off season until the first season kick-off.

75... I never said anything about this. I saw what happened vs msu and could tell there were some issues, but in no way have i ever lied about it, never called out a player and never said Stitt was not at fault.

You have a lot of anger issues... just relax and know that if this season is a disaster (like you want), I will be in agreement that a change needs to happen. I doubt however that if they are a deep playoff team you will relent. Its not your style...

IE "the angry fan" schtick, gets old fast.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think what he accomplished Mines was commendable given the type of athletes you have to recruit there. Given their rigid academic requirements I'd wager he had to pass on quite a bit of talent because they academically could not be admitted there. The fact that he did as well as he did given that handcuff I personally find pretty amazing.

Joe Glenn did not recommend him for no reason.

It's rumored that the offense and defense are being made more simple. Do you think it should have been done sooner.

Of course, rumors are not facts. All I know is that Coach Stitt spent time w/ Glenn at UNC. I'm sure a Glenn recommendation was not ignored. Whether or not Stitt's O & D will be simplified, no one but Stitt and his assistants knows.

As well as people who have talked to Stitt and his assistants, or players or player families who know what is being done with the offense and defense.

Yes, Joe G. and Stitt are friends. Stitt named one of his boys after Joe.

 

[PlayerRep]

The old season was over. There was nothing to be gained from blaming former team. Indeed. Stitt made it clear to people like "ari gold," and "Stop HammerTime69," and "Paytonlives" aren't just "wrong." They are being deceitful. They are trying to pretend that the Coach himself has not spoken directly on the point, and confirmed as directly as possible that it is a current issue through this off season until the first season kick-off.

75, they and I only post in defense of Coach Stitt. That it is a "current issue" is only because you make it so. Altho I respect your posts, I'd like to know what evidence you have to dispute ari's explanation of the Griz's late season collapse, last year, an incredible phenomenon to me and many others. It's been a mystery, until ari cleared it up w/ a plausible explanation. What evidence do you have to refute it, and please be as specific as ari was in what he said.

What evidence do you or Ari have that the explanation had anything to do with the decline, let alone caused it? Is that why you think the Cats ran all over the Griz?

 

[PlayerRep]

2) Get your story straight. Is the sky falling under Stitt? Is he a bad coach? Or are things ok and patience is the right course?

Bob Stitt already gave you his answer November 22, 2016.

The season was over. The old team was "gone."

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/stitt-takes-blame-for-disappointing-griz-football-season/article_5d8a80ec-4656-5b31-8a68-5fa2bd7831de.html

"There's a lot of reasons why things don't go right but ultimately it's me," said Stitt, the Grizzlies' second-year head coach. "It's me. I've got to get it done."

Stitt discussed his plans for a rebound season in 2017. Between now and Sept. 2, 2017, when the Griz kick off against Valparaiso at home, Stitt said he and his staff will reassess everything about the program.

From the coaching staff and how they coach, to the schemes they run and their personnel.

I've done a lot of thinking and soul searching and we're going to look at every little aspect of what we do," Stitt said. "Me as a manager managing them and every aspect of the program.

"... Internally it eats at me and eats at me and eats at me. I cannot sleep at night and I cannot enjoy anything unless our players are successful....

The Griz lost four of their final five games, including three on the road, culminating in a 24-17 loss to Montana State this past Saturday that made sure Montana missed the postseason for the first time since 2012 and the third time in the past seven years.

The skid and the way the games played out has Stitt taking a microscope to his program to find areas that need improving.

The old season was over. There was nothing to be gained from blaming former team. Indeed. Stitt made it clear to people like "ari gold," and "Stop HammerTime69," and "Paytonlives" aren't just "wrong."

They are being deceitful. They are trying to pretend that the Coach himself has not spoken directly on the point, and confirmed as directly as possible that it is a current issue through this off season until the first season kick-off.

75... I never said anything about this. I saw what happened vs msu and could tell there were some issues, but in no way have i ever lied about it, never called out a player and never said Stitt was not at fault.

You have a lot of anger issues... just relax and know that if this season is a disaster (like you want), I will be in agreement that a change needs to happen. I doubt however that if they are a deep playoff team you will relent. Its not your style...

IE "the angry fan" schtick, gets old fast.

Don't think 75 has anger issues at all. Think some posters want to ignore reality and live in a dream world, at times, and continue to make posts and have views that cause 75 to come back with his responses. He is smart, analytic, and writes well. I don't agree with 75 on things, including some things about Stitt and BG, but he supports his views well and runs circles around alot of posters on egriz, in my view. And you explain this as anger or a schtick? That says to me that you may not understand some things.

 

[UMGriz75]

75... I never said anything about this. I saw what happened vs msu and could tell there were some issues, but in no way have i ever lied about it, never called out a player and never said Stitt was not at fault.

You have a lot of anger issues... just relax and know that if this season is a disaster (like you want), I will be in agreement that a change needs to happen. I doubt however that if they are a deep playoff team you will relent. Its not your style...

IE "the angry fan" schtick, gets old fast.

Given your angry responses, your soaring rhetoric about how good things were going to be and, as you said it, the past was over and done, your post is simply dishonest. You've spend the last week trying to shout down dissent, censor and shut down any commentary on what Coach Stitt himself has specifically stated would be the top priority until opening kickoff, step by step, piece by piece.

Now, you're trying to pretend you haven't been shutting down threads right and left, denouncing anyone who has agreed directly with Coach Stitt on the points he has finally specifically agreed to, and are denouncing anyone who objects to your shameless propaganda campaign?

Aside from the appalling lack of honesty, have you no shame?

Seeing as to how blatantly you have tried to manipulate both events and history, isn't it about time to admit you have intentionally abused your position to attempt to falsely manipulate the record, rather than manage a sport website?

 

[PlayerDad]

Holy Moly!!! This thread is a monster!!

Ya'll make sure to take a Xanax before the UW game

 

[Grizzoola]

Don't think 75 has anger issues at all. Think some posters want to ignore reality and live in a dream world, at times, and continue to make posts and have views that cause 75 to come back with his responses. He is smart, analytic, and writes well. I don't agree with 75 on things, including some things about Stitt and BG, but he supports his views well and runs circles around alot of posters on egriz, in my view. And you explain this as anger or a schtick? That says to me that you may not understand some things.

I don't think 75 has anger issues, either, as he's posted in the past some interesting, well, posts. He, as you, I, and all others on this board wish the best for the Griz, football and otherwise. I do not believe either you or 75 would be having issues with Stitt were it not for the late season collapse for the reasons that I think "ari gold" well explained.

 

[PlayerRep]

Don't think 75 has anger issues at all. Think some posters want to ignore reality and live in a dream world, at times, and continue to make posts and have views that cause 75 to come back with his responses. He is smart, analytic, and writes well. I don't agree with 75 on things, including some things about Stitt and BG, but he supports his views well and runs circles around alot of posters on egriz, in my view. And you explain this as anger or a schtick? That says to me that you may not understand some things.

I don't think 75 has anger issues, either, as he's posted in the past some interesting, well, posts. He, as you, I, and all others on this board wish the best for the Griz, football and otherwise. I do not believe either you or 75 would be having issues with Stitt were it not for the late season collapse for the reasons that I think "ari gold" well explained.

I like Stitt. I don't diss him, but I don't make endless wonderful and unsupported posts about him (like some on egriz do). My biggest issue in the past 2 years is the late season collapse. I don't blame it on the Ari theory. And, if something like that causes a collapse, then it's a coach issue.

 

[Ursa Major]

I agree Payton should not have closed the threads. I do however understand his frustration with what can be viewed as a anti-stitt sentiment on this board.
I think we may all agree on the fact that we would like to see the Griz beat the cats and make playoffs every year and that the last four games of the season were concerning. Why and how seem to be the biggest difference between posters.
I like to hear what posters have to say about their concerns and what they feel need to be addressed, I however get tired of the posters who just post negative things about Stitt and seem to hope he fails this year as to bring in another coach.
I hope Stitt has a great year and also believe that him and his staff staying a few more years will be great for the programs long term stability.

Plus 1

 

[UMGriz75]

75, they and I only post in defense of Coach Stitt. That it is a "current issue" is only because you make it so.

That's not just false; it's delusional. UM lost four out of its five last games this season, including to two of the worst teams in the conference, and one of those a key game in Missoula.

My "opinion" had nothing to do with that. The competency of coach and team clearly did.

Coach Stitt said so. Stop fabricating excuses to justify overt efforts at censorship. The fact is, Coach Stitt finally stepped up to the plate and admitted "we have a problem. It's a problem in our team, it's a problem with the way we do things. We need to solve it before the first game of the season."

The "problem" is you can't stand that because it confirms what I have been saying, and utterly refutes your generous and complicated layers of excuse-making designed to do everything but ... tell the truth.

I agree with him.

In his ultimate honesty, he is a better man than you.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

 

[uofmman1122]

That's not just false; it's delusional. UM lost four out of its five last games this season, including to two of the worst teams in the conference, and one of those a key game in Missoula.

You keep saying this, and it's just purposeful distortion of reality.

Sure, MSU was awful, but UNC? They were better than 7 other BSC teams, so unless your list of the worst teams is 8 teams long, I don't see how they fit there.

I'm not trying to say it's okay that we lost to them, but they were by definition an above-average Big Sky team.

 

[UMGriz75]

UM's Conference record this past season was 3-5. We gave UNC a nice gift to their record. Your point? What did your advise Coach Stitt about that? Did he revise his promise to study the UM program from the ground up until September?