Coach Stitt (Combined threads)

[Stop_HammerTime69]

As a leader of a team you should work with what you came on board with. I know he wants to run "his" system but why that -or-the -highway approach. Adapt, use what you have to advance, blend in your system and before you know it....

or take the 3 year approach with not having "my guys"


PR you are right

Because he's the head coach and for the time being, its his program. This isn't a "Barry Alvarez @ Wisconsin" kind of deal where the coach needs to come in and fit the school's system. And at Montana, the program's system got the school into some hot water, so it needed to change. And like everything else in football, that kind of change can't happen overnight. It takes a few years.

Very well said. To truly get the program on the right track and on pace for long term success it was always going to take time. No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

We got very lucky with a string of coaches who inherited talent and had matching systems. They were given a nice car and didn't crash it. That's something only one other program can say: Ohio State. At some point, luck was going to catch up, it hit a little too hard. That "nice car" got totaled. But at least we're in a position where our worst seasons are still winning seasons. It's not the end of the world. It just takes some time to get back up.

So of course we have unrealistic fans. But just because one thing worked back then, 15-20 years ago, does not mean it will work now.

 

[UMGriz75]

You're pissed off because you seem unable to convince the majority/establishment that you are right. You're pissed off because the people in charge are tired of your incessant whining, and actually did something about it.

You need to grow up.

It must hurt your feelings immensely, when you find them, that the offending comments are from Bob Stitt, not me. Whether the "people in charge" are obsessed with sheltering the fan base from the comments of the Head Coach himself, you probably have finally located that interesting place where the "fans" are calling the Head Coach a liar, and trying to pretend there is "no problem."

You're there.

 

[Yukon]

Stitt will....

"MAKE THE GRIZ GREAT AGAIN."

 

[PlayerRep]

... The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset.....

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

You're pissed off because you seem unable to convince the majority/establishment that you are right. You're pissed off because the people in charge are tired of your incessant whining, and actually did something about it.

You need to grow up.

It must hurt your feelings immensely, when you find them, that the offending comments are from Bob Stitt, not me. Whether the "people in charge" are obsessed with sheltering the fan base from the comments of the Head Coach himself, you probably have finally located that interesting place where the "fans" are calling the Head Coach a liar, and trying to pretend there is "no problem."

You're there.

:stupid:

Oh well. No, I have no problem with the coach taking responsibility for something that went wrong. You've been trying to make it seem like he's saying himself that he's incompetent and not the right guy for the job, which is not what he's saying.

I don't think anyone is sheltering the Griz fan base from the words of the coach himself. But when you continue to get vitriolic and nasty, and say the same things again and again, when you say irrational things, and expect impossible feats, the people in charge get sick of it. If they truly had an agenda against you, you'd have been shut down a long time ago.

You can lie all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

 

[grizcountry420]

... The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset.....

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

I agree, its the coaches job to make sure he has control of his locker room and if he doesn't well...... We saw what happened last year. Its not a pretty sight.

 

[PlayerRep]

As a leader of a team you should work with what you came on board with. I know he wants to run "his" system but why that -or-the -highway approach. Adapt, use what you have to advance, blend in your system and before you know it....

or take the 3 year approach with not having "my guys"


PR you are right

Because he's the head coach and for the time being, its his program. This isn't a "Barry Alvarez @ Wisconsin" kind of deal where the coach needs to come in and fit the school's system. And at Montana, the program's system got the school into some hot water, so it needed to change. And like everything else in football, that kind of change can't happen overnight. It takes a few years.

Very well said. To truly get the program on the right track and on pace for long term success it was always going to take time. No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

We got very lucky with a string of coaches who inherited talent and had matching systems. They were given a nice car and didn't crash it. That's something only one other program can say: Ohio State. At some point, luck was going to catch up, it hit a little too hard. That "nice car" got totaled. But at least we're in a position where our worst seasons are still winning seasons. It's not the end of the world. It just takes some time to get back up.

So of course we have unrealistic fans. But just because one thing worked back then, 15-20 years ago, does not mean it will work now.

You don't seem to have much knowledge of Griz football, or football either. UM has not had a string of coaches with matching systems. Since 2000, each new coach had a different system. Pflu took over from Hauck (pro set with some power), and then moved to a version of the spread. Delaney took over the spread and then changed it back to more power, doing much of the changeover in the 2d year.

UM has never come close to being "totaled". Jeez, Delaney's last 2 seasons were 9-5 and 10-3. Not so sure that 6-5 after 8-5, is the right trend. But, I'm still on board, and think Stitt could get it going this year.

 

[PlayerRep]

You're pissed off because you seem unable to convince the majority/establishment that you are right. You're pissed off because the people in charge are tired of your incessant whining, and actually did something about it.

You need to grow up.

It must hurt your feelings immensely, when you find them, that the offending comments are from Bob Stitt, not me. Whether the "people in charge" are obsessed with sheltering the fan base from the comments of the Head Coach himself, you probably have finally located that interesting place where the "fans" are calling the Head Coach a liar, and trying to pretend there is "no problem."

You're there.

:stupid:

Oh well. No, I have no problem with the coach taking responsibility for something that went wrong. You've been trying to make it seem like he's saying himself that he's incompetent and not the right guy for the job, which is not what he's saying.

I don't think anyone is sheltering the Griz fan base from the words of the coach himself. But when you continue to get vitriolic and nasty, and say the same things again and again, when you say irrational things, and expect impossible feats, the people in charge get sick of it. If they truly had an agenda against you, you'd have been shut down a long time ago.

You can lie all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

Most of the time 75 is responding to posts from people like you who either are or are close to chasing windmills. Stop with some of your nonsense if you don't want 75 to respond.

 

[UMGriz75]

I don't think anyone is sheltering the Griz fan base from the words of the coach himself. But when you continue to get vitriolic and nasty, and say the same things again and again, when you say irrational things, and expect impossible feats, the people in charge get sick of it. If they truly had an agenda against you, you'd have been shut down a long time ago.

You can lie all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

You have quite an agenda. I think that the Griz have not fared well under Bob Stitt, on key statistical metrics. I have seen the trend decline, and I have described it in detail. It has.

Bob Stitt finally admitted it at a public press conference.

It must have been a big shock to people like you after denying it so vehemently.

Now, as Coach Stitt himself has plainly acknowledged, "can he fix it," and he intended, before the first game of the season, to go over every detail if what might have gone wrong.

He could have just blamed "the bad apples" and pointed out that they graduated. To his credit, he did not.

Recognizing the problems and seeking solutions is the first step to fixing them. Coach Stitt spent most of season blaming everyone in sight. Finally, in the last five games, it became too obvious for all but acolytes and shills such as yourself.

He is a better man than you.

That is far to his credit.

 

[ari gold]

... The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset.....

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

Not sure we are talking about the same player and I won't mention names because that's just not right, but I have heard from numerous returning players and coaches that he was a problem. Again, not even sure we are talking about the same person, but a coach can only do so much with players like that.


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[Spanky]

Baloney

 

[grizfan406]

by ari gold » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:27 am

No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

I'd be a lot more on board with this if there was some realization that "unrealistic" works both ways. Now we seem to have locked and moderated threads where only one side of unrealistic is encouraged. Apparently it is ok to tout expectations that if Stitt just has a few more years he will take us to the promised land but not ok to point out certain facts like he never took his D2 team to a national championship nor did he ever have a sterling playoff record at Mines. Since most coaches never really achieve the type of success that some on this board are so certain is to be Stitt's fate, it seems to me that those type of posts should undergo the same criticism that posts even mildly critical (some would say realistic) seem to attract.

I think what he accomplished Mines was commendable given the type of athletes you have to recruit there. Given their rigid academic requirements I'd wager he had to pass on quite a bit of talent because they academically could not be admitted there. The fact that he did as well as he did given that handcuff I personally find pretty amazing.

This, +1

 

[go96griz]

Did anybody else find it odd that a highly touted senior defensive player didn't earn an award at the season ending banquet? Caleb Kidder was a captain with very high expectations for his senior season in addition to wearing the Montana legacy #37 jersey. He had an up and down season as a player so maybe that explains why there was no award, but I can't believe that a senior "star" headed to the NFL wasn't picked for an award. It makes me wonder if there was a leadership issue, attitude problem, individual vs. team issue, or a coach vs. player issue since the coaches chose not to pick him for an award. This is even stranger to me since the coaches raved about him at the beginning of the season.

I am not trying to throw Caleb under the bus, I'm just trying to understand what happened. I wish Caleb well in the NFL and thank him for a great Griz career.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2016/11/20/football-buss-gustafson-named-grizzly-2016-mvps.aspx

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

... The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset.....

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

I agree, its the coaches job to make sure he has control of his locker room and if he doesn't well...... We saw what happened last year. Its not a pretty sight.

I think it would have been great for him to bench the rumored problems. It would have made for a great uproar in the stands during the Brawl. They probably would have lynched him on the field.

 

[ari gold]

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

I agree, its the coaches job to make sure he has control of his locker room and if he doesn't well...... We saw what happened last year. Its not a pretty sight.

I think it would have been great for him to bench the rumored problems. It would have made for a great uproar in the stands during the Brawl. They probably would have lynched him on the field.

No lie. Would not have mattered what decision Stitt made in regards to this particular matter, he was going to catch flack for it either way.

 

[poorgriz]

... The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset.....

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

Not sure we are talking about the same player and I won't mention names because that's just not right, but I have heard from numerous returning players and coaches that he was a problem. Again, not even sure we are talking about the same person, but a coach can only do so much with players like that.


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Not true. If you have players or even one player that is "Actively" doing things to destroy the team, you kick them off the team. I'm not talking about players complaining about coaches, or the way things are being run. That always happens with pretty much every program.

 

[PlayerRep]

Did anybody else find it odd that a highly touted senior defensive player didn't earn an award at the season ending banquet? Caleb Kidder was a captain with very high expectations for his senior season in addition to wearing the Montana legacy #37 jersey. He had an up and down season as a player so maybe that explains why there was no award, but I can't believe that a senior "star" headed to the NFL wasn't picked for an award. It makes me wonder if there was a leadership issue, attitude problem, individual vs. team issue, or a coach vs. player issue since the coaches chose not to pick him for an award. This is even stranger to me since the coaches raved about him at the beginning of the season.

I am not trying to throw Caleb under the bus, I'm just trying to understand what happened. I wish Caleb well in the NFL and thank him for a great Griz career.

http://www.gogriz.com/news/2016/11/20/football-buss-gustafson-named-grizzly-2016-mvps.aspx

96, I had wondered exactly the same thing.

New subject. I think Kidder is feeling pretty good about his chances with the Vikes. This is one reason he is feeling pretty good: "Brian Robison will turn 34-years-old in April and is entering the final year of his four-year contract in Minnesota this season. Everson Griffen likely has a few more years of good football left in him, but his current deal with the Vikings expires after the 2018 season." I think Kidder is playing behind Robison, and Kidder is being groomed (perhaps with others on roster) to come in on downs to play a stand up position (when I think Robison comes out). Kidder looked unbelievable fit, and big, when I talked to him a couple weeks ago.

 

[ari gold]

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

Not sure we are talking about the same player and I won't mention names because that's just not right, but I have heard from numerous returning players and coaches that he was a problem. Again, not even sure we are talking about the same person, but a coach can only do so much with players like that.


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Not true. If you have players or even one player that is "Actively" doing things to destroy the team, you kick them off the team. I'm not talking about players complaining about coaches, or the way things are being run. That always happens with pretty much every program.

The way I understand it is that the individual in question basically would verbally bitch out both members of the offense, defense and coaches when things didn't go his way or when the game got frustrating. It got to a point where some of the kids were so sick of it they weren't really happy playing football.
What good would it have done Stitt to boot the kid half way through the season? It's not like he was going to publicly tell fans what the player was doing, and then the fans would turn on him more than they already had because he kicked one of the best defenders of the team mid season for a "violation of team rules". Given the situation, riding it our and letting graduation take care of it was probably the best option.

 

[griz5700]

Stitt will....

"MAKE THE GRIZ GREAT AGAIN."

No it's...

"MAKE STITT HAPPEN AGAIN".

Which makes no sense. Just like his offense.

 

[PlayerRep]

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I heard this rumor, or whatever it is, multiple times, and heard one big name mentioned each. I then asked a defensive starter, who is back this year, if the rumor was true, particularly involving the one player. He said, from where he sat, it was not true. In any event, I believe it's the job of the coach or coaches to make sure things like that don't happen. A good college coach has to be able to control and run his football team. That's part of the job.

Not sure we are talking about the same player and I won't mention names because that's just not right, but I have heard from numerous returning players and coaches that he was a problem. Again, not even sure we are talking about the same person, but a coach can only do so much with players like that.


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Not true. If you have players or even one player that is "Actively" doing things to destroy the team, you kick them off the team. I'm not talking about players complaining about coaches, or the way things are being run. That always happens with pretty much every program.

Does anyone in college football ever do things to "actively" destroy the team? I don't think that's what's being discussed in this thread.