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Clarifying my position - they are kinda growing on me.

To be fair it seems like around half of the people on this website that are pushing for changes in the program are boomers. The site as a whole seems to be around 75% boomers and they are represented on both sides of embracing change or resisting it.
I would say, in general, the Griz fan base as a whole is older in average, which is not a great thing really. I would say UM has not done a very good job at getting younger fans involved in things like QB club, which is going to be pretty painful from a giving standpoint in the next 10 ish years I’d say.
 
I would say, in general, the Griz fan base as a whole is older in average, which is not a great thing really. I would say UM has not done a very good job at getting younger fans involved in things like QB club, which is going to be pretty painful from a giving standpoint in the next 10 ish years I’d say.
I just saw a couple of younger fans say they signed up for QB Club now with BK at the helm. Hopefully more will continue to join.
 
They (not all) are also blind and really uninformed on a lot of things and really resistant toward change or adaptation toward a better way of doing things. They are a very stubborn bunch.
I don’t agree. None of them are blind and uninformed, to my knowledge or observation. And, I don't find Boomers to be any more stubborn than any other group. It depends on the group. I don't notice much stubbornness on egriz either.
 
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"Estranged"? Huh? Boomers have been around and they can spot dumb ideas. They can also spot young whipper snappers who haven't earned their stripes.
I was thinking about that guy who started ranting about women in the other thread, it gave off major "I hate my ex-wife" energy. There are of course many good and wise boomers out there! It's just that a lifetime of hearing about how my generation doesn't work hard and only wants participation trophies, from someone who bought a house for $3000 earned from a part time summer job at a gas station, tends to breed a bit of resentment. So I can also totally understand why "ok boomer" became a thing.

Either way it's all in good fun. I appreciate the perspectives here because most other sports related social spaces online skew very young and very very dumb.
 
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They (not all) are also blind and really uninformed on a lot of things and really resistant toward change or adaptation toward a better way of doing things. They are a very stubborn bunch.
Why are you picking on blind people? The disabled have a right to enjoy Griz football too.
 
I was thinking about that guy who started ranting about women in the other thread, it gave off major "I hate my ex-wife" energy. There are of course many good and wise boomers out there! It's just that a lifetime of hearing about how my generation doesn't work hard and only wants participation trophies, from someone who bought a house for $3000 earned from a part time summer job at a gas station, tends to breed a bit of resentment. So I can also totally understand why "ok boomer" became a thing.

Either way it's all in good fun. I appreciate the perspectives here because most other sports related social spaces online skew very young and very very dumb.
Got it. If it's the Old poster, I didn't look closely at that part, because he's quite knowledgeable about football and Griz football and seems like a nice guy. I find the "okay boomer" is mostly be from younger people who don't have as much experience, wisdom, money, etc. and don't have any real reason/argument to support what they are saying.
 
One thing that I had never realized was that you could pay monthly or bi-weekly to be in QB Club. Probably on me for never actually going through to see what the payment process was - I just automatically eliminated myself due to the cost, but now that I have the new information.....🤔🤔🤔
 
Got it. If it's the Old poster, I didn't look closely at that part, because he's quite knowledgeable about football and Griz football and seems like a nice guy. I find the "okay boomer" is mostly be from younger people who don't have as much experience, wisdom, money, etc. and don't have any real reason/argument to support what they are saying.
ok boomer
 
One thing that I had never realized was that you could pay monthly or bi-weekly to be in QB Club. Probably on me for never actually going through to see what the payment process was - I just automatically eliminated myself due to the cost, but now that I have the new information.....🤔🤔🤔
This is a really good point, I had no idea either! All the current info I see online about it conveys "you need to drop at least $1k from your bank account right now" and that is just completely untenable for most younger folks. Meanwhile everyone's on monthly subscriptions and installments for everything from Netflix to Target and they truly do end up spending that much over the course of a year. Could be a good thing for someone who is in the QB Club to bring up.
 
I find the "okay boomer" is mostly be from younger people who don't have as much experience, wisdom, money, etc. and don't have any real reason/argument to support what they are saying.
Yeah. Exactly. You are equating experience and wisdom with money, but younger generations don't have nearly as much money today because life did not turn out to be as effortless and easy in this modern world as it was for the boomers.
 
Yeah. Exactly. You are equating experience and wisdom with money, but younger generations don't have nearly as much money today because life did not turn out to be as effortless and easy in this modern world as it was for the boomers.
No, I am not. Experience and wisdom is not money. Life wasn't effortless for boomers. Boomers worked hard and were serious. You seem to be lacking in experience and wisdom, as well as knowledge.
 
No, I am not. Experience and wisdom is not money. Life wasn't effortless for boomers. Boomers worked hard and were serious. You seem to be lacking in experience and wisdom, as well as knowledge.
You are making this about wisdom when it is really about timing and power. Boomers came up in a period with cheap housing, affordable college, strong unions, pensions, and wages that actually moved with productivity. That is not a moral judgment, it is just fact. Since then, housing, tuition, healthcare, and debt have exploded while job security and benefits have shrunk.

Boomer were responsible for the majority of the policy and corporate shifts that produced that reality as they held the most political and economic power. Tax policy, deregulation, shareholder primacy, zoning restrictions, ballooning deficits, those were not created by twenty five year olds. So yes, they worked hard, but they also benefited from and helped shape a system that is and will continue to be much harsher for the generations behind them. In that sense, they were not just lucky, they were a big part of the problem.
 
You are making this about wisdom when it is really about timing and power. Boomers came up in a period with cheap housing, affordable college, strong unions, pensions, and wages that actually moved with productivity. That is not a moral judgment, it is just fact. Since then, housing, tuition, healthcare, and debt have exploded while job security and benefits have shrunk.

Boomer were responsible for the majority of the policy and corporate shifts that produced that reality as they held the most political and economic power. Tax policy, deregulation, shareholder primacy, zoning restrictions, ballooning deficits, those were not created by twenty five year olds. So yes, they worked hard, but they also benefited from and helped shape a system that is and will continue to be much harsher for the generations behind them. In that sense, they were not just lucky, they were a big part of the problem.
Nope. Nothing I have said has anything to do with what you said. It is experience and wisdom of older people. Boomers are older. My parents weren’t boomers, but they had experience and wisdom. They were Depression-era people. We lived in a two-room shack in my early years.

You are trying to talk about a completely different subject. You have completely missed the point.

P.S. My kids worked hard, got educated, and are doing very well in the world you describe. As are their motivated and educated friends. They don’t complain about things. They find a way to make it work and make it work well. They aren’t complainers. Even the one who get hit by a car that had been going 60 right before it turned into him.
 
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Nope. Nothing I have said has anything to do with what you said. It is experience and wisdom of older people. Boomers are older. My parents weren’t boomers, but they had experience and wisdom. They were Depression-era people. We lived in a two-room shack in my early years.

You are trying to talk about a completely different subject. You have completely missed the point.

P.S. My kids worked hard, got educated, and are doing very well in the world you describe. As are their motivated and educated friends. They don’t complain about things. They find a way to make it work and make it work well. They aren’t complainers. Even the one who get hit by a car that had been going 60 right before it turned into him.
There are exceptions to everything dude. I didn't say everyone who came after boomers were lazy and uneducated. I'm simply saying that the system younger people are living is significantly harder than it was for boomers relatively, especially when they don't have someone like yourself helping their kids along both from a guidance and monetary standpoint. The world for a young person is not nearly as adventitious as it was once upon a time. Not saying young people can't or aren't successful and thriving, but the percentage doing so is way lower than when you were their age.
 
There are exceptions to everything dude. I didn't say everyone who came after boomers were lazy and uneducated. I'm simply saying that the system younger people are living is significantly harder than it was for boomers relatively, especially when they don't have someone like yourself helping their kids along both from a guidance and monetary standpoint. The world for a young person is not nearly as adventitious as it was once upon a time. Not saying young people can't or aren't successful and thriving, but the percentage doing so is way lower than when you were their age.
Okay, but you were/are talking about something different than what I was addressing, at least at the outset. My kids had some advantages, but most of them were the same as what I had been taught as a kid by my parents. Work hard, do well in school, play hard in sports, be nice, don't complain, make many friends, have some fun, and keep moving forward.

My view is somewhat different than yours. I feel there is still huge opportunity for kids/younger people who do what I was taught to do and what I taught my kids to do. And my view is that younger people have gotten big expectations, some good and some not good. Some have had it easy (not just because of money/wealth of parents). Some are entitled, and then can be disappointed when everything doesn't go their way. I've also read that that one big problem is that expectations of money/success have gotten into the heads of such a high percentage of younger people, that now there isn't enough room in the upper end and top for all of them. There's competition due to the numbers, and some younger people can't or won't compete.

As Roger Federer noted in his famous Dartmouth graduation speech, he won almost 80% of his matches and many Grand Slams, but he won only 54% of the points in matches. "Effortless" is a myth. When one is playing a point, the point is at that point in time the most important thing in the world. But lose it or win it, you need to move on to the next point. "It's only a point."

In my view, too many younger people don't want to earn their points and their matches. They think it is just going to happen or be given to them. The Colt Andersons and Marc Marianis of the world are not like that. Nor was I. If you stumble or get knocked down, get up and get moving forward again. If you start to see a brick wall, react and be a broken field runner and find another path.

And, in your case, don't complain that it was easier for me and Boomers and hard for you. Evaluate and deal with the situation and find your path forward to success, and happiness. And hope you are fortunate to have good or decent health.

Edit: I do agree that kids with affluent parents have advantages. Especially Anglo ones.
 
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The problem is Zoomers expect everything to just be given to them without working for it and going through the process to achieve it. If something doesn’t go a Zoomers way, they typically quit instead of working through adversity.
 
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