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citay's state of the season address

citygriz

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spent the holiday sky-high on cross-country horizontal elevator rides, the while we were playing duke (outbound) and the lady griz were going up against maryland (homebound.) in-flight-video is about as flaky as big sky tv, but i was able to get lowlights of the duke game while they refused to show even a score of the lady griz v. a top-ten women's team. oh, well, ladies, chivalry or equality when it comes to sports, i guess you're used to that, no?

on returning i see my detractors forming into an ugly mob in the street below, strengthened now by the formidably bright and articulate argh! on bullhorn. i admit i'm running a little low on cake, but here's what's left:

1.) i too have been preaching defense defense field-goal-percentage-defense for as long as i've been on this board, but it's as weak now as jud heathcote, whose frail visage was shown on tv last night during the gonzaga-oklahoma state game. jud brought defense to montana, and with it the start of our glory years, and while it thrives on the women's side (well, selvig did play for jud), it seems to have gone through a genetic mutation on the men's side. in fairness, many teams, even gonzaga, which recently has suffered as many first-round tournament kayos as our football team, fail to play defense, so it apparently is not an easy thing to teach. but i do know this--no mid-major like montana will ever amount to anything unless it plays defense, period, and this is a source of major frustration to me as well as many others on this board.

2.) but when it comes to recruiting, i can tell you, the past two classes, tinkle has really upped the ante at montana. ward, woods, digs and now cherry were remarkable gets for us, and not one will see the court till next year. if you'd told me last spring, when i watched cherry go for 19 points, 14 rebounds and eight assists in the major-division california high championship game that we'd get a kid of this caliber, i would have thought it impossible. and let's not forget: we may be a collegiate program, but we're still competing for the entertainment dollar. we need to win, yes, but we also need some stars, somebody to draw fans, and cherry and woods (who also played in the championship game) are kids of that caliber.

3.) the season seems lost so far, but that may be more a result of frustrated expectations than actual results. mcgillis is good but not the great player we thought, johnson is slowly adjusting to the higher level of competition, and while everybody here was disappointed with the colorado state and utah valley games, we probably weren't destined to win either game on the road, especially since utah valley was hot that night. and duke? well, coach k's team was tired and lacking their starting point guard, but even at that, to play them even the second half was pretty good. i thought that game might get ugly, but it didn't. this is a tough non-conference schedule, and there's little relief ahead, as santa clara is rebuilding under an excellent young coach to compete with gonzaga (and brings in a mountain-man of a center who has pro potential) while washington and fresno state loom on the road. there are no gimmes out there, but we should be in good shape for the conference.

still, i have yet to see this team play (in portland, dec. 20.) that's when i'll confront the brutal reality of this season. till then, i'll keep chucking my dwindling supply of cake atcha out the window.
 
AWF's State of the Citay Address:

1. Sure.

2. Well, it's a little early to tell what kind of gets they'll turn out to be. They may be diamonds in the recruiting wars rough. Or they may be total stiffs. One thing's for sure, the gets always sparkle on paper. Especially when you use that glitter ink.

3. Oh, citay, I see your estimation of McGillis has risen, from "total stiff" to "not the great player we [the 'royal we,' I assume] thought." I hereby prognosticate that, by the end of the conference schedule, he'll have meteored right up there to "brings some athleticism that we haven't had since Dlouhy, and that ain't a bad thing."

Overall, I must suspend judgment until the conference battles are fought. Will the non-conference season steel us for battle, or will we roll into conference on three empty tires?

And is citay all frosting and no cake?
 
no-o-o-o-o-o. i did not call mcgillis a total stiff. show...me....the...quote! i could never describe anything or anybody in two words. simply said he wasn't the second coming of micheal ray, as so many on this board had made him out to be. also that he might be better coming off the bench.

otherwise, sage post.
 
thought the board might be interested in this article, for two reasons: an update on mike montgomery; and an indication of the detail that rex walters, who played at kansas and now coaches at u.s.f., pays to defense...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/29/SP3I14DTEO.DTL
 
This team has no direction. Telltale will be North Dakota. Got a chance to watch the Bison play Minnesota today. North Dakota in general is far less talented than the griz, obviously smaller, not as deep, but they play team basketball and are well coached. The griz will lose this game. Probably will even lead until the second half of the second half. recruiting is useless if you cant coach. The UND game will illustrate this in High Def!

Congrats Bobby and your well coached FB team on a great win against a tough TS team.
 
Robo - Just to clarify your earlier post, Minnesota played North Dakota STATE today..the Griz will be playing the University of North Dakota next week. The Bison team you saw today starts 5, 5th year seniors and have a very legitimate shot of playing in the NCAA Tournament coming out of the Summit Conference. UND is a first year D1 school I know very little about, but I would be willing to bet are not nearly as good as NDSU. NDSU probably wins that game today against a good Minnesota team if the Gophers don't shoot 65% from the field and 70% from 3.
 
MinnesotaGriz said:
Robo - Just to clarify your earlier post, Minnesota played North Dakota STATE today..the Griz will be playing the University of North Dakota next week. The Bison team you saw today starts 5, 5th year seniors and have a very legitimate shot of playing in the NCAA Tournament coming out of the Summit Conference. UND is a first year D1 school I know very little about, but I would be willing to bet are not nearly as good as NDSU. NDSU probably wins that game today against a good Minnesota team if the Gophers don't shoot 65% from the field and 70% from 3.
Isn't that like saying 'NDSU probably wins that game today against a good Minnesota team if the Gophers don't score more points than the Bison'?
 
MinnesotaGriz said:
Robo - Just to clarify your earlier post, Minnesota played North Dakota STATE today..the Griz will be playing the University of North Dakota next week. The Bison team you saw today starts 5, 5th year seniors and have a very legitimate shot of playing in the NCAA Tournament coming out of the Summit Conference. UND is a first year D1 school I know very little about, but I would be willing to bet are not nearly as good as NDSU. NDSU probably wins that game today against a good Minnesota team if the Gophers don't shoot 65% from the field and 70% from 3.


Thanks for the clarification. Gophers are far more talented than their counterparts today. NDSU was impressive with their tenacity and gameplan. would like to see them play a well coached montana team
 
have yet to see this team play. cannot forget that it's still pre-season, and the true quality of our opponents over the course of a season is yet to be known. what if toolson from utah valley turns out to be an n.b.a. all-star? or santa clara knocks off gonzaga? or western wins the n.a.i.a tournament?

still, the questions--and disappointments--are starting to add up for this team:
--shawn stockton. has played a total of 10 minutes in six games, two minutes the past three games. if he isn't ready, why didn't we redshirt him? and if he is ready, why isn't he contributing?
--as somebody else pointed out, qvale played little more than a half against santa clara, ten minutes less than their big center. why? he wasn't in foul trouble. don't you want to give your young center some serious experience against a legit college post in preparation for conference play?
--michael taylor. the big sky co-freshman of the year two years ago, a kid with sparkling high school stats and a father who is a coach. hasn't played more than 18 minutes in any game, and against santa clara that dropped to eight--with two personal fouls. is this kid too slow to play the point, too small at the three but behind johnson and staudacher at the two?
--johnson. anybody who's seen the griz play this year raves about johnson. but he got only 14 minutes at colorado state, 10 against ole miss valley, 11 against duke before 27 v santa clara. if he's as good as advertised, why wasn't he getting more minutes from the get-go? does it take six games to realize this kid can play?
--mcgillis. sounds like a great kid with a huge weight on his shoulders who'd be better suited to a sixth-man role.
--hasquet. probably our best player in the early going. but a hallmark of selvig's teams and our football team is that kids who come into the program gradually get better over their careers, while with hasquet it's fair to ask, "is he better now than when he was a freshman?"
--can you watch a tennessee or a duke or a michigan state or several other premier teams play defense and think that we yet have any clue how to do it? i don't question that our kids are playing hard, as tinkle is wont to say, but i wonder if they're playing defense with purpose, with technical skill, with an understanding of the overall scheme, if there is one. i'm not saying they aren't, simply that the results so far this year even with evans aboard are no different from the results of the past two years, and that is disappointing.
 
citygriz said:
have yet to see this team play. cannot forget that it's still pre-season, and the true quality of our opponents over the course of a season is yet to be known. what if toolson from utah valley turns out to be an n.b.a. all-star? or santa clara knocks off gonzaga? or western wins the n.a.i.a tournament?

still, the questions--and disappointments--are starting to add up for this team:
--shawn stockton. has played a total of 10 minutes in six games, two minutes the past three games. if he isn't ready, why didn't we redshirt him? and if he is ready, why isn't he contributing?
--as somebody else pointed out, qvale played little more than a half against santa clara, ten minutes less than their big center. why? he wasn't in foul trouble. don't you want to give your young center some serious experience against a legit college post in preparation for conference play?
--michael taylor. the big sky co-freshman of the year two years ago, a kid with sparkling high school stats and a father who is a coach. hasn't played more than 18 minutes in any game, and against santa clara that dropped to eight--with two personal fouls. is this kid too slow to play the point, too small at the three but behind johnson and staudacher at the two?
--johnson. anybody who's seen the griz play this year raves about johnson. but he got only 14 minutes at colorado state, 10 against ole miss valley, 11 against duke before 27 v santa clara. if he's as good as advertised, why wasn't he getting more minutes from the get-go? does it take six games to realize this kid can play?
--mcgillis. sounds like a great kid with a huge weight on his shoulders who'd be better suited to a sixth-man role.
--hasquet. probably our best player in the early going. but a hallmark of selvig's teams and our football team is that kids who come into the program gradually get better over their careers, while with hasquet it's fair to ask, "is he better now than when he was a freshman?"
--can you watch a tennessee or a duke or a michigan state or several other premier teams play defense and think that we yet have any clue how to do it? i don't question that our kids are playing hard, as tinkle is wont to say, but i wonder if they're playing defense with purpose, with technical skill, with an understanding of the overall scheme, if there is one. i'm not saying they aren't, simply that the results so far this year even with evans aboard are no different from the results of the past two years, and that is disappointing.

Shawn Stockton - he ain't ready but you can't point a gun to his head and tell him to redshirt. Maybe he wants to graduate after four years and boogie out of here. Maybe Wayne didn't convince him enough that he needs to redshirt. He can't force the coach to play him if he ain't ready.

Qvale - Should be playing more, but do not know his conditioning level.

Michael Taylor - He may just need more time in the system. Many transfers take over a year to adjust to a new system, and he is still young.

Anthony Johnson - The minutes he got against Santa Clara is a sign of what is to come.

Mcgillis - I had high expectations for him, but I am not going to quit on him. He will contribute to the team. Maybe he is a sixth man.

Hasquet - He is a 3 point shooter. Came out of a high school who's coach had him shoot three pointers. Or maybe hasquet likes the 3 pointer so much that the high school coach couldn't get him to go inside more. Maybe the inside game is not what he likes. If your going to be primarily a 3 point shooter your whole career while occasionally going inside, your not going to look like you improved a whole lot over 4 or 5 years. He just seems to like it outside more.
 
I was watching the news last night and they were interviewing some RMC players who are currently 9-1.
They asked them what they worked on at practice. I found it interesting that, to a man, they said all we work on is defense.
 
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