Central Ty Gregorak discussion thread

[NorthEndZoneDan]

How about we all let this play out before deciding how this will turn out for the programs and Gregorak?

Here are some reasons for the move"
(1) Even with Gregorak, the losses on defense will make it difficult for the GRIZ to have a better defense than this season. So Gregorak had a huge challenge this upcoming season for his defense. Meanwhile at State College, he is taking over 1 of the worse defenses in the nation, 2 years running. The defense can only improve. Translation: improved defense at State college= better looking resume.

(2) Most married couples want to be together, not a few hundred miles apart. Regardless of schools, personnel, rivalries, etc THIS had to play a major role.

(3) Professional animosity- Gregorak competed with Stitt for the head coaching job. Gregorak did not get the job, but was made part of the package for whichever coach that got the job (at the time that was a good decision by the U of M). Stitt and Gregorak were kind of forced together last season, and they made it work pretty well, considering the circumstances.

(4) Stitt and Ty saw the writing on the wall. He had to feel like a pawn in how everything played out with Stitt being hired. Meanwhile Stitt, really wanted the freedom to have his own DC in place. The outcome is a win for each side now. This can only improve team chemistry if Semore and/or Suiaunoa are named the new DC. Plus this opens up another defensive coaching position to possibly bring in another former GRIZ player into the fold. I doubt it will happen, but I'd love to Schillinger be brought back, now that he is coaching.

As for Gregorak, I am a little shocked this is the move he chose. He is taking a big gamble making the move has he has. I wish him the best. Now, egriz remains interesting until a new DC is named.

I would agree with just about everything except the first point. The cupboard is not bare when it comes to young talent. And I really like the idea of finding some place some how for Schillinger. As for the this being a big gamble, I would really have to disagree. Gregorak has a history of making really bad choices.

 

[UMGriz75]

Unlike Stitt, who cut his coaching teeth at a level lower than the FCS, Choate has extensive experience as an assistant on the big-time college level. His credentials appealed to Gregorak when weighing his decision.

"Just look at where he's been," Gregorak said. "He's been at Washington, Florida, Boise State, Utah State.

"Just in terms of the guys we are and the way we coach is very similar from what I know of Coach Choate. Our philosophies align in that we coach hard. The relationship I want to have with my players is not just as coach but also mentor."

From the Missoulian.

That's quite a jab; Ty (or the writer) kind of makes it sound like Choate is an actual adult with real football experience -- "unlike Stitt" -- and can deal with people and players, whereas Stitt is still on training wheels, doesn't know what he is doing and that Gregorak wanted out. Wow.

Time will tell.

 

[get'em_griz]

I swear a lot of this fan base really overreacts to certain situations, one extreme or the other. Many should take a chill pill, sit back, relax, and let the big boys do what they're hired to do.

 

[MsMaroon]

FWIW - Everyone at Grizzly athletics is stunned. "Nobody can believe he went over to the dark side."

 

[Ursus1]

FWIW - Everyone at Grizzly athletics is stunned. "Nobody can believe he went over to the dark side."

Me either....another job due to Stitt is one thing....but the Cats?

 

[UMGriz75]

Or how programs are run and scholarships doled out. Every school evaluates scholarship athletes every season. Nothing is guaranteed to anyone.

As I "attempted" to point out on another thread, this is wrong, and currently among one of the most volatile controversies in college sports. Several schools do now offer four year scholarships; precisely to out-recruit schools that recruit and then cut promising athletes because of coaching "changes" that have nothing to do with the competitor's abilities. The kids want protection from that.

The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), Big Ten Conference (B1G), Big 12 Conference, Pacific-12 Conference (Pac-12), and Southeastern Conference (SEC), all now offer four year schollies. "Between 2002-2011, 99.3% of the top 100 football recruits in the nation chose teams in the power conferences. Historically, over 90% of football teams that finish in the top 25 rankings and over 90% of the basketball teams that make it to the Final Four are from the power conferences."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24711067/schools-can-give-out-4-year-scholarships-to-athletes-but-many-dont

 

[mtgrizrule]

Or how programs are run and scholarships doled out. Every school evaluates scholarship athletes every season. Nothing is guaranteed to anyone.

As I "attempted" to point out on another thread, this is wrong, and currently among one of the most volatile controversies in college sports. Several schools do now offer four year scholarships; precisely to out-recruit schools that recruit and then cut promising athletes because of coaching "changes" that have nothing to do with the competitor's abilities. The kids want protection from that.

The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), Big Ten Conference (B1G), Big 12 Conference, Pacific-12 Conference (Pac-12), and Southeastern Conference (SEC), all now offer four year schollies. "Between 2002-2011, 99.3% of the top 100 football recruits in the nation chose teams in the power conferences. Historically, over 90% of football teams that finish in the top 25 rankings and over 90% of the basketball teams that make it to the Final Four are from the power conferences."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24711067/schools-can-give-out-4-year-scholarships-to-athletes-but-many-dont

Until Montana changes to this, scholarships at Montana are 1 year at a time. What other teams and conferences are doing with scholarships are irrelevant to what Montana is doing.

 

[grizindabox]

Or how programs are run and scholarships doled out. Every school evaluates scholarship athletes every season. Nothing is guaranteed to anyone.

As I "attempted" to point out on another thread, this is wrong, and currently among one of the most volatile controversies in college sports. Several schools do now offer four year scholarships; precisely to out-recruit schools that recruit and then cut promising athletes because of coaching "changes" that have nothing to do with the competitor's abilities. The kids want protection from that.

The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), Big Ten Conference (B1G), Big 12 Conference, Pacific-12 Conference (Pac-12), and Southeastern Conference (SEC), all now offer four year schollies. "Between 2002-2011, 99.3% of the top 100 football recruits in the nation chose teams in the power conferences. Historically, over 90% of football teams that finish in the top 25 rankings and over 90% of the basketball teams that make it to the Final Four are from the power conferences."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24711067/schools-can-give-out-4-year-scholarships-to-athletes-but-many-dont

And as you will notice....it is the Big 5 conferences that do it....the big boys with the cash....you don't see the MVC or the equivalent to the BSC doing it...

 

[Htowngriz]

2011 Griz D ranked: 26th
2012 Griz D ranked: 66th
2013 Griz D ranked: 56th
2014 Grix D ranked: 39th
2015 Griz D ranked: 57th

Some people's demonstration of stellar...is...well....less than stellar....

Just curious, do you get paid for each ellipsis you use? :?

 

[grizindabox]

2011 Griz D ranked: 26th
2012 Griz D ranked: 66th
2013 Griz D ranked: 56th
2014 Grix D ranked: 39th
2015 Griz D ranked: 57th

Some people's demonstration of stellar...is...well....less than stellar....

Just curious, do you get paid for each ellipsis you use? :?

I just dislike other forms of punctuation....are you offering....

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Or how programs are run and scholarships doled out. Every school evaluates scholarship athletes every season. Nothing is guaranteed to anyone.

nope

NDSU, UND, and most FBS schools only offer 5-year guaranteed schollies these days. Cutting kids like Stitt did is going to be used against him in recruiting, as it should be, by those schools.

 

[Ursa Major]

2011 Griz D ranked: 26th
2012 Griz D ranked: 66th
2013 Griz D ranked: 56th
2014 Grix D ranked: 39th
2015 Griz D ranked: 57th

Some people's demonstration of stellar...is...well....less than stellar....

Just curious, do you get paid for each ellipsis you use? :?

I just dislike other forms of punctuation....are you offering....

I figured you for a colon man . . .

 

[signedbewildered]

Unlike Stitt, who cut his coaching teeth at a level lower than the FCS, Choate has extensive experience as an assistant on the big-time college level. His credentials appealed to Gregorak when weighing his decision.

"Just look at where he's been," Gregorak said. "He's been at Washington, Florida, Boise State, Utah State.

"Just in terms of the guys we are and the way we coach is very similar from what I know of Coach Choate. Our philosophies align in that we coach hard. The relationship I want to have with my players is not just as coach but also mentor."

From the Missoulian.

That's quite a jab; Ty (or the writer) kind of makes it sound like Choate is an actual adult with real football experience -- "unlike Stitt" -- and can deal with people and players, whereas Stitt is still on training wheels, doesn't know what he is doing and that Gregorak wanted out. Wow.

Time will tell.

This is the one that really caught my attention earlier today......"Just look at where he's been," Gregorak said. "He's been at Washington, Florida, Boise State, Utah State.

I was thinking to myself......"Just look at where he is."

 

[NorthwestFresh]

And as you will notice....it is the Big 5 conferences that do it....the big boys with the cash....you don't see the MVC or the equivalent to the BSC doing it...

UND and NDSU are doing it as well, along with offering stipends.

 

[Plus 1]

Even the most brilliant defensive coach will have poor team defense statistics when paired with Stitt's offense. His fast paced style of offense means the other team gets a lot of offensive plays too. In this offense it is either 3 and out or a quick score. Either way the defense is on the field a lot.

 

[grizindabox]

And as you will notice....it is the Big 5 conferences that do it....the big boys with the cash....you don't see the MVC or the equivalent to the BSC doing it...

UND and NDSU are doing it as well, along with offering stipends.

actually UND has back away from the stipends for the short term after figuring out what it would really cost

 

[UMGriz75]

Or how programs are run and scholarships doled out. Every school evaluates scholarship athletes every season. Nothing is guaranteed to anyone.

As I "attempted" to point out on another thread, this is wrong, and currently among one of the most volatile controversies in college sports. Several schools do now offer four year scholarships; precisely to out-recruit schools that recruit and then cut promising athletes because of coaching "changes" that have nothing to do with the competitor's abilities. The kids want protection from that.

The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), Big Ten Conference (B1G), Big 12 Conference, Pacific-12 Conference (Pac-12), and Southeastern Conference (SEC), all now offer four year schollies. "Between 2002-2011, 99.3% of the top 100 football recruits in the nation chose teams in the power conferences. Historically, over 90% of football teams that finish in the top 25 rankings and over 90% of the basketball teams that make it to the Final Four are from the power conferences."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24711067/schools-can-give-out-4-year-scholarships-to-athletes-but-many-dont

Until Montana changes to this, scholarships at Montana are 1 year at a time. What other teams and conferences are doing with scholarships are irrelevant to what Montana is doing.

Geez. I did not say that Montana did. I was inserting a "fact" into these tendentious discussions, that not "all" schools do what was claimed. The more that one year schollies appear to be abused by coaches, the greater the pressure to go to, or other coaches to offer, the four year versions. See those stats?

 

[Htowngriz]

2011 Griz D ranked: 26th
2012 Griz D ranked: 66th
2013 Griz D ranked: 56th
2014 Grix D ranked: 39th
2015 Griz D ranked: 57th

Some people's demonstration of stellar...is...well....less than stellar....

Just curious, do you get paid for each ellipsis you use? :?

I just dislike other forms of punctuation....are you offering....

Sure. 2 pesos for each one. :thumb:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Wow, this is kind of Huge, unexpected news. The Bobcats instantly get better on D and this does hurt the Griz, I don't care how you spin it, this hurts the Griz.

I agree.

Really??? You were that impressed with Ty, huh??? Good guy, related well with the players and good motivator, but not at all a spectacular scheme guy by any notion. Drove me and a lot of fans nuts at times with his vulnerability on first drives, 3rd and longs, and trick plays. Poly had his # every year. And I don't know how you can argue against the talent we've had on D the last few years. Solid coach, not a irreplaceable by any means.

Who are you trying to kid? The Griz have had great defenses in the last several years, particularly in light of losing JJ and the whole "scandal phase." The defense was one of the main, if not primary, reasons you contended the last couple of years. Leaders in sacks, TFL's, RZ defense, NFL recruits, beat NDSU, beat App State. Several other huge wins that I can't remember. You guys are kidding yourselves if you think Ty was anything but STELLAR with the Griz defense. -Not Smack-

We haven't had a good defense since 2002. Enjoy our hand me downs, you guys will be worse next year and that's really saying something

 

[grizindabox]

Some people's demonstration of stellar...is...well....less than stellar....

Just curious, do you get paid for each ellipsis you use? :?

I just dislike other forms of punctuation....are you offering....

Sure. 2 pesos for each one. :thumb:

thought for sure you would offer rupees...