Cats buyout game vs NDSU

[msuhunter]

14 pages and counting huh ....

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

MSU is going to make more money playing a DII at home and SMU on the road than honoring the return trip to NDSU.

Is that correct? I haven't read all of this glorious thread but a newscaster said last night that MSU has to pay the D2 $200 and NDSU $100 and will get $300 from SMU. He made it sound like, on paper, MSU will only break even in this deal. Fields was interviewed and he made it sound like money was not the main reason; instead they did this to get another THR home game (at night?) and a homecoming trip for the texas lads.

Correct, but MSU will also make money on the extra ticket sales, concessions, parking... MSU will come out ahead on the deal.

Oh, OK . . . so MSU should be able to pay NDSU another 100-150k on top of the guarantee to make up for the screw job and the loss NDSU takes on the deal, right? Just business I guess, even if it causes NDSU to lose another $200k and its most anticipated game of the year.

Wait a minute... I thought your game at #5 K-State was the most anticipated of the year? Or perhaps your 3rd straight national chipper appearance was? (since most NDSU fans are guaranteeing another trip to Frisco)

Maybe your AD should be better at negotiating the buyout clause on a contract. Instead of being bitter with fans of the opposing team, why don't you direct your anger at your dumba$$ AD for agreeing to the $100,000 buyout?

 

[grizrgood]

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[Bison fan in NW MN]

As a Bison fan and a fan of FCS football this does suck. But GT should have had a larger buyout in the contract.

It is great to have these type of OCC games between 'power' FCS conferences...they do not happen too often. It will be interesting to see if GT will schedule Montana State again.... :?:

As a fan, I hope NDSU and Montana State meet down the line in the playoffs....it will be a good game.

IMO, the game that was bought out would have been a total Bison beatdown. Montana State is weak on both lines.

 

[speth]

I don't buy MSU's excuse for cancelling the NDSU game. Apparently, they claim that they needed to cancel the game and pay a $100K buy out penalty and schedule an FBS team, SMU, and receive a $300K payment, and use the net gain, $200K, to pay Monmouth to play in Bozeman. However, they expect that 20,000 fans will attend the Monmouth game, a season opener, based on the attendance at last year's opening game against Chadron, a D2 school. At $20 per ticket, they will generate $400,000 in revenue not including concessions. They will have expenses, but they would certainly generate enough money to pay Monmouth $200K to come to Bozeman. In other words,they did not need to cancel the NDSU game to schedule Monmouth. In addition, the total athletic budget for MSU approaches $20 million. The Monmouth guarantee is not that significant to require a major change in the football schedule. What this is all about is that Ash did not want to play and lose to NDSU and he knew that the margin of victory could be substantial. The MSU AD, Fields, acknowledged that the cancellation was not his idea. By cancelling NDSU, the Cats will have one less FCS loss on their record, which is relevant to rankings and playoff seeding. A loss to SMU means nothing. I also do not accept the statement that the Cats want to play SMU because they have a number of players from Texas and they have a Texas recruiting pipeline. They are already scheduled to play an FCS team in Texas in 2013.

 

[statler & waldorf]

You mean, they're LYING?

 

[bigsky33]

I don't buy MSU's excuse for cancelling the NDSU game. Apparently, they claim that they needed to cancel the game and pay a $100K buy out penalty and schedule an FBS team, SMU, and receive a $300K payment, and use the net gain, $200K, to pay Monmouth to play in Bozeman. However, they expect that 20,000 fans will attend the Monmouth game, a season opener, based on the attendance at last year's opening game against Chadron, a D2 school. At $20 per ticket, they will generate $400,000 in revenue not including concessions. They will have expenses, but they would certainly generate enough money to pay Monmouth $200K to come to Bozeman. In other words,they did not need to cancel the NDSU game to schedule Monmouth. In addition, the total athletic budget for MSU approaches $20 million. The Monmouth guarantee is not that significant to require a major change in the football schedule. What this is all about is that Ash did not want to play and lose to NDSU and he knew that the margin of victory could be substantial. The MSU AD, Fields, acknowledged that the cancellation was not his idea. By cancelling NDSU, the Cats will have one less FCS loss on their record, which is relevant to rankings and playoff seeding. A loss to SMU means nothing. I also do not accept the statement that the Cats want to play SMU because they have a number of players from Texas and they have a Texas recruiting pipeline. They are already scheduled to play an FCS team in Texas in 2013.

Speth your post is lame. The SMU game generates the money to pay Monmouth to come to Bozeman. That is the sixth home game which is important to the school and the community of Bozeman as it generates a ton of money for both. The game that was scheduled in Texas previously-SFA is a long way from Dallas where our senior Texas kids are from. Fields made the right decison on this for MSU. Your finacial projections are bogus. It is easy for you to make these assumptions not having any responibility for the results. Fields did the best thing for MSU, the fans, the players and the community of Bozeman. Case closed!

 

[speth]

I don't buy MSU's excuse for cancelling the NDSU game. Apparently, they claim that they needed to cancel the game and pay a $100K buy out penalty and schedule an FBS team, SMU, and receive a $300K payment, and use the net gain, $200K, to pay Monmouth to play in Bozeman. However, they expect that 20,000 fans will attend the Monmouth game, a season opener, based on the attendance at last year's opening game against Chadron, a D2 school. At $20 per ticket, they will generate $400,000 in revenue not including concessions. They will have expenses, but they would certainly generate enough money to pay Monmouth $200K to come to Bozeman. In other words,they did not need to cancel the NDSU game to schedule Monmouth. In addition, the total athletic budget for MSU approaches $20 million. The Monmouth guarantee is not that significant to require a major change in the football schedule. What this is all about is that Ash did not want to play and lose to NDSU and he knew that the margin of victory could be substantial. The MSU AD, Fields, acknowledged that the cancellation was not his idea. By cancelling NDSU, the Cats will have one less FCS loss on their record, which is relevant to rankings and playoff seeding. A loss to SMU means nothing. I also do not accept the statement that the Cats want to play SMU because they have a number of players from Texas and they have a Texas recruiting pipeline. They are already scheduled to play an FCS team in Texas in 2013.

Speth your post is lame. The SMU game generates the money to pay Monmouth to come to Bozeman. That is the sixth home game which is important to the school and the community of Bozeman as it generates a ton of money for both. The game that was scheduled in Texas previously-SFA is a long way from Dallas where our senior Texas kids are from. Fields made the right decison on this for MSU. Your finacial projections are bogus. It is easy for you to make these assumptions not having any responibility for the results. Fields did the best thing for MSU, the fans, the players and the community of Bozeman. Case closed!

Bigsky: I can understand that you would like the case closed, but you ignored the main point of my post. The revenue from the Monmouth game will pay for the $200K fee that Monmouth will receive for traveling to Bozeman. MSU did not need to cancel the NDSU game to raise the money. In addition, they are paying NDSU $100K to cancel the game. If they would not have cancelled the game, that money could have been used to help pay the $200K to schedule Monmouth. So the gap was really only $100K and certainly the game revenue would cover that amount. And your comment that MSU wants to honor senior players from Texas by playing in Dallas is ridiculous. Obviously, MSU is a state-financed institution. The interests of the state of Texas should mean nothing to MSU and the University should not be incurring unnecessary expenses to benefit residents from other states. But MSU is not playing SMU to honor or please Texas players. That is just an excuse. I will also note that as a Montana resident and taxpayer, when I watched the MSU-Sam Houston playoff game on ESPN, I was not pleased when the announcer said that both teams were well represented by the state of Texas.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

SMU is basically paying for the Monmouth game and MSU will keep all the revenue.

 

[nzone]

The timing seems to be the issue not the fact they did it.

 

[bigsky33]

SMU is basically paying for the Monmouth game and MSU will keep all the revenue.

Your are right KoolMoeDee. MSU gets to make money now on the MOnmouth game which Fields said will go toward future stadium expansion. The idea is to maximize home games every year to generate more revenue towards the stadium planned expansion. So the SMU game provides a number of benefits.

Speth you don't have a clue about what the financial situation and what is best for MSU. You making assumptions based on zero knowldege of the actual situation is useless. Fields did whatwas best for MSU, it's fans and the Bozeman community.

 

[bigsky33]

Speth your refrence to haaving a chance to have the Texas players play a game close to their home is only a side benefit of playing SMU. MSU makes money by playing SMU. It is not costing them money to have the Texas players playing near their home. And, are you implying as a Montana taxpayer that we shouldn't be recruiting players from Texas? That is stupid. How many players does the Griz have from Washington, Oregon and California? Is that any different? How about the fact that MSU has more Montana players on their team than the Griz. Your post makes no sense.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

This is in part about money, in part about honoring the MSEuliss players from TX by playing a home game for them in TX and more importantly a good way to keep MSEuliss from getting seriously embarassed by a dominant FCS team to start the year.
Like I said before, I have seen a bigger pair of balls hanging from bumpers of pickups in downtwon Bozo than Fields, Ash and crew have shown with this dodge.

 

[Lovethecats75]

Econ 101, a business needs to make money. For those of you that have no made the connection COLLAGE FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS. As a fan I do not like this move, as a business person I understand this move. It is a two way street, football cannot work without the business side and the business side cannot work with out football. In business you need to separate emotion from business. I will give PF credit for making a GREAT business move. He knew it would not be a good fan move from some Cat fans and from every Bison Burger fan. He is the Donald Trump of Bobcat sports and for him as for every AD business first, fans somewhere down the line in the list of priorities. If the Cat football program is not successful on the business side it will not be successful on the field. Think back to when we had a $1,000,000 debt.

 

[gocats]

Collage football?

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[Copper Griz]

Econ 101, a business needs to make money. For those of you that have no made the connection COLLAGE FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS. As a fan I do not like this move, as a business person I understand this move. It is a two way street, football cannot work without the business side and the business side cannot work with out football. In business you need to separate emotion from business. I will give PF credit for making a GREAT business move. He knew it would not be a good fan move from some Cat fans and from every Bison Burger fan. He is the Donald Trump of Bobcat sports and for him as for every AD business first, fans somewhere down the line in the list of priorities. If the Cat football program is not successful on the business side it will not be successful on the field. Think back to when we had a $1,000,000 debt.

There is the money side of business and then there is the sense side of business. One of the most important things in any business is branding and name recognition. What sets you apart from the herd. MSU has an image problem (yes - the Griz have their own image problem right now that is getting corrected). MSU is viewed as a team who can't win the big games when they need to. This move does nothing to help with that PR problem and it is important when recruiting. Going to Texas and losing to SMU is not going to help the Cats image problems. Start winning big games and your program could become one of the elites in the FCS (I am giving you a shizzle load of credit considering you have not made the semi's since the ice age). Until that happens - you will be viewed as pussies. Dodging a game with UND really makes you look like pussies.

 

[grizfnz]

Econ 101, a business needs to make money. For those of you that have no made the connection COLLAGE FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS. As a fan I do not like this move, as a business person I understand this move. It is a two way street, football cannot work without the business side and the business side cannot work with out football. In business you need to separate emotion from business. I will give PF credit for making a GREAT business move. He knew it would not be a good fan move from some Cat fans and from every Bison Burger fan. He is the Donald Trump of Bobcat sports and for him as for every AD business first, fans somewhere down the line in the list of priorities. If the Cat football program is not successful on the business side it will not be successful on the field. Think back to when we had a $1,000,000 debt.

There is the money side of business and then there is the sense side of business. One of the most important things in any business is branding and name recognition. What sets you apart from the herd. MSU has an image problem (yes - the Griz have their own image problem right now that is getting corrected). MSU is viewed as a team who can't win the big games when they need to. This move does nothing to help with that PR problem and it is important when recruiting. Going to Texas and losing to SMU is not going to help the Cats image problems. Start winning big games and your program could become one of the elites in the FCS. Until that happens - you will be viewed as pussies. Dodging a game with NDSU really makes you look like pussies.

I guess we can chock it up to the culture in Bozeman which has apparently existed since 1985. It's really sad to see such pussification being justified by their boosters and fans. :thumb:

 

[msuhunter]

Econ 101, a business needs to make money. For those of you that have no made the connection COLLAGE FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS. As a fan I do not like this move, as a business person I understand this move. It is a two way street, football cannot work without the business side and the business side cannot work with out football. In business you need to separate emotion from business. I will give PF credit for making a GREAT business move. He knew it would not be a good fan move from some Cat fans and from every Bison Burger fan. He is the Donald Trump of Bobcat sports and for him as for every AD business first, fans somewhere down the line in the list of priorities. If the Cat football program is not successful on the business side it will not be successful on the field. Think back to when we had a $1,000,000 debt.

There is the money side of business and then there is the sense side of business. One of the most important things in any business is branding and name recognition. What sets you apart from the herd. MSU has an image problem (yes - the Griz have their own image problem right now that is getting corrected). MSU is viewed as a team who can't win the big games when they need to. This move does nothing to help with that PR problem and it is important when recruiting. Going to Texas and losing to SMU is not going to help the Cats image problems. Start winning big games and your program could become one of the elites in the FCS (I am giving you a shizzle load of credit considering you have not made the semi's since the ice age). Until that happens - you will be viewed as pussies. Dodging a game with UND really makes you look like pussies.

:lol:
Really? This coming from a fan of a school that has at least 2 known rapists and numerous players in trouble with the law over the past 2 years? Not to mention investigations by NCAA, DOJ, and DOE??

Yeah, having a football program with good students is really an image problem :lol:

Some of you um fans are delusional to the point of being retarded. :roll:

 

[Copper Griz]

Econ 101, a business needs to make money. For those of you that have no made the connection COLLAGE FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS. As a fan I do not like this move, as a business person I understand this move. It is a two way street, football cannot work without the business side and the business side cannot work with out football. In business you need to separate emotion from business. I will give PF credit for making a GREAT business move. He knew it would not be a good fan move from some Cat fans and from every Bison Burger fan. He is the Donald Trump of Bobcat sports and for him as for every AD business first, fans somewhere down the line in the list of priorities. If the Cat football program is not successful on the business side it will not be successful on the field. Think back to when we had a $1,000,000 debt.

There is the money side of business and then there is the sense side of business. One of the most important things in any business is branding and name recognition. What sets you apart from the herd. MSU has an image problem (yes - the Griz have their own image problem right now that is getting corrected). MSU is viewed as a team who can't win the big games when they need to. This move does nothing to help with that PR problem and it is important when recruiting. Going to Texas and losing to SMU is not going to help the Cats image problems. Start winning big games and your program could become one of the elites in the FCS (I am giving you a shizzle load of credit considering you have not made the semi's since the ice age). Until that happens - you will be viewed as pussies. Dodging a game with UND really makes you look like pussies.

:lol:
Really? This coming from a fan of a school that has at least 2 known rapists and numerous players in trouble with the law over the past 2 years? Not to mention investigations by NCAA, DOJ, and DOE??

Yeah, having a football program with good students is really an image problem :lol:

Some of you um fans are delusional to the point of being retarded. :roll:

Typical, you are just not smart enough to grasp this entire concept. It is about WINNING you dolt. WINNING. Almost every program runs into difficulties with a player or players at some point (need I remind you of MSU's past problems) Your program is not WINNING. When was the last time you were to the NC or semi's for that matter? You can poke fun at the problems the Griz are currently experiencing, but you are still not WINNING. Now quit whining, making excuses and dodging big games and start concentrating on what it will take for your program to WIN the big games. I know the truth hurts your feelings and you are all butt hurt, but deal with it. You are a second tier program and until you WIN - you are pussies!

 

[Lovethecats75]

Econ 101, a business needs to make money. For those of you that have no made the connection COLLAGE FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS. As a fan I do not like this move, as a business person I understand this move. It is a two way street, football cannot work without the business side and the business side cannot work with out football. In business you need to separate emotion from business. I will give PF credit for making a GREAT business move. He knew it would not be a good fan move from some Cat fans and from every Bison Burger fan. He is the Donald Trump of Bobcat sports and for him as for every AD business first, fans somewhere down the line in the list of priorities. If the Cat football program is not successful on the business side it will not be successful on the field. Think back to when we had a $1,000,000 debt.

There is the money side of business and then there is the sense side of business. One of the most important things in any business is branding and name recognition. What sets you apart from the herd. MSU has an image problem (yes - the Griz have their own image problem right now that is getting corrected). MSU is viewed as a team who can't win the big games when they need to. This move does nothing to help with that PR problem and it is important when recruiting. Going to Texas and losing to SMU is not going to help the Cats image problems. Start winning big games and your program could become one of the elites in the FCS (I am giving you a shizzle load of credit considering you have not made the semi's since the ice age). Until that happens - you will be viewed as pussies. Dodging a game with UND really makes you look like pussies.

:lol:
Really? This coming from a fan of a school that has at least 2 known rapists and numerous players in trouble with the law over the past 2 years? Not to mention investigations by NCAA, DOJ, and DOE??

Yeah, having a football program with good students is really an image problem :lol:

Some of you um fans are delusional to the point of being retarded. :roll:

Typical, you are just not smart enough to grasp this entire concept. It is about WINNING you dolt. WINNING. Almost every program runs into difficulties with a player or players at some point (need I remind you of MSU's past problems) Your program is not WINNING. When was the last time you were to the NC or semi's for that matter? You can poke fun at the problems the Griz are currently experiencing, but you are still not WINNING. Now quit whining, making excuses and dodging big games and start concentrating on what it will take for your program to WIN the big games. I know the truth hurts your feelings and you are all butt hurt, but deal with it. You are a second tier program and until you WIN - you are pussies!

So if I hear you right you are saying it is OK to do what ever you need to do to WIN. WIN at any cost. That attitude has worked really well for schools like SMU, Penn State and UM just to name a few. Sorry we have been there and done that and have no desire to go there again. If we cannot win the right way I do not want to win the UM way.