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Cats BB Lose 2 Point Guards, Academics and lack of PT

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MSU men's basketball: Holmes, Miller gone

By JEFF WELSCH, Chronicle Sports Editor

For better or for worse?

That was the question dogging the Montana State men's basketball team, which was down two point guards entering its non-conference game Monday night against Portland.

Sophomore Ryan Holmes, who hadn't played since starting against Wayland Baptist in the team's home opener Nov. 27, finally called it quits and returned home to Phoenix.

That wasn't a surprise.

What was a surprise was Monday's revelation that senior guard Branden Miller, who had his share of struggles with grades, personal issues and confrontations with coach Mick Durham, was academically ineligible.

Both are done for the year.

"We have no choice but to step it up," said sophomore guard Casey Durham, whose half-court buzzer-beater gave MSU a 70-68 victory in the first of eight consecutive home games.

What's changed?

"Nothing," senior forward Marvin Moss said. "We saw Branden earlier. Everybody was sad about it, but we had to get over it. We'll be all right. We're in good shape."

Indeed, though Holmes had improved enough to earn the starting job while Miller sorted through his issues early, and Miller gave MSU a 3-point threat, it's conceivable that the 'Cats might be stronger for it.

Until Monday, Mick Durham had the challenge of finding time for 11 competent players, leaving some, Holmes and Miller included, unhappy about their playing time and number of shots.

"It's no secret that Branden and I battled all fall," Durham said.

Durham lifted the redshirt of promising freshman guard Jacques Wilson, meaning the 'Cats are one body down, but unlike Holmes and Miller, Wilson will be content with whatever he gets.

He played six assertive minutes in the first half, showing enough acceleration and defensive tenacity to earn applause from a Brick Breeden Fieldhouse crowd of 3,010.

Wilson was informed of MSU's dilemma Monday morning. He didn't hesitate.

"Coach," he told Durham, "I came here to play."

Wilson called his father, Idaho State assistant coach Louis Wilson, and prepared for his debut, in which he scored his first collegiate point.

"Jacques is good, probably our best defender," Moss said. "He's going to be real good."

Meanwhile, Edmonds had been relegated to the bench behind rock-solid Ja'Ron Jefferson, seeing occasional playing time or none at all.

That changed Monday, and he responded with 13 points and four rebounds, though he has yet to dial in from 3-point range.

"Both of those guys are tremendous players," Edmonds said of Miller and Holmes. "I've got to answer the call. I know I'll get more minutes; I'll do what it takes. Whatever it takes to succeed, that's my mindset."

Until the final seven minutes, the Bobcats were at the crispest and most energetic Monday night, perhaps because they had a rare home game but also, perhaps, because roles are more defined.

"We definitely know who our go-to guys are now," Casey Durham said, referring to Jefferson and Moss.

The next seven games, starting Thursday against Denver, which defeated MSU 69-66 on Dec. 3, will reveal more about whether the two departures are for better or worse.

"Sometimes," Mick Durham said, "things work out in a strange way for the better."
 
Cats fans are now silently wishing they had wintersession but won't have the guts to admit it.






Cue the MSU flailing in 3...2...1...
 
UMclassof2002 said:
Cats fans are now silently wishing they had wintersession but won't have the guts to admit it.






Cue the MSU flailing in 3...2...1...

Not when they take the low road and act as though it is something all our athletes go through. I imagine a lot of us would say the same if the situation were reversed. I don't think they can say much about hoops this season given both their teams pretty much suck.
 
I'm personally glad we don't have the "intersession" program.

I simply think it's a bad situation when a player spends the fall semester essentially flunking out, but then gets to make it up in just a few weeks. I think thats a negative for the player AND the coach.

If our athletes aren't getting it done in the classroom, I have no problem seeing them hit the road; they don't deserve the opportunity we're giving them.
 
El_Gato said:
I'm personally glad we don't have the "intersession" program.

I simply think it's a bad situation when a player spends the fall semester essentially flunking out, but then gets to make it up in just a few weeks. I think thats a negative for the player AND the coach.

If our athletes aren't getting it done in the classroom, I have no problem seeing them hit the road; they don't deserve the opportunity we're giving them.

Every NCAA school I know of has Academic people who monitor athletes progress so it must not have been a surprise the kid ay msu wasn't going to make it. That means Durham must have or should have known. Why did he keep playing him when he coul dhave maybe developed someone else or maybe resolved his issues with the player that quit the team because he wasn't playing. Is it possible the kid who quit knew the academic situation of his teammate, thus leading to his "attitude" because someone who isn't going to be there is playing ahead of him? Just curious.
 
I can't explain all that except for the little bit I know that Miller was "borderline" expected to make it; I'm sure his spats with Durham contributed to his attitude toward his classes.

Anyway, it's just more drama in what appears to be a very tense year for Mick.
 
El_Gato said:
I can't explain all that except for the little bit I know that Miller was "borderline" expected to make it; I'm sure his spats with Durham contributed to his attitude toward his classes.

Anyway, it's just more drama in what appears to be a very tense year for Mick.

I am sure Mick is on some shaky ground with the high expectations this season. From the outside it looks like he overachieved last year, this year he is probably not as good as expected. Kind of makes it tough, then compound it with his kid playing. I don't honestly think his kid is that good. I don't blame Mick but that is a no win situation in my book. If the kid was as good as Mick was that would be one thing.
 
Flathead faced off against Dissly and Durham for the title in 2003. That Hawk team was unreal but when I learned that Mick was giving his kid a schollie, I simply couldn't believe it. There was no way at that point that I would've even pegged him for Frontier ball, let alone Big Sky.

IMO, he's still not Big Sky caliber.
 
Wintersession is attended by a high number of UM students, mostly non athletes who use it as a chance to get ahead in their programs or lighten their load a little bit durring the regular semester. I think most people who take it feel that they learn quiet a bit because they spend so much time on it so quickly. Three hours a day five days a week for three weeks. It seems like things would sure be easier to recognize and go together in that time period. Lots of students with great academic track records take wintersession courses. Now if it was just athletes, I could see the problem, but they go to class with regular students and have to earn the grades they get.
 
grzz,

I have no argument with that; I'm simply saying that I don't like the idea of an athlete essentially "skating" through 4 months of school (no doubt with the coaches knowledge) and ending up ineligible, regardless of the legitimacy of wintersession.
 
All I know is it paved the way for RS FS (ex-RS) Jacques Wilson, and I think he is going to be a special player.

This may end up being a blessing in disguise.
 
CatzWillRise said:
All I know is it paved the way for RS FS (ex-RS) Jacques Wilson, and I think he is going to be a special player.

This may end up being a blessing in disguise.

How much will this kid play? The paper says he isn't going to care about PT. So you burn a year of eligibility?
 
Well when you lose 2 of your contributing Gs, there isn't much choice but to burn his RS.

We are now 4 deep at G. I think he will see more and more PT as the season goes on. He is our other "PG" and I think he will spell relief for Durham most of the season.

It is a bummer we had to burn his RS, but at least it is still pretty early on in the season.

He is FAST.
 
Yeah, maybe this will be a blessing in disguise for the Cats. Wilson will be a good player. But as for Branden Miller, it really makes me mad when a person who is receiving a free college education screws it up like that and a person like me or any other student is doing well, but has to pay for most of or all of their college education. So in that case, if he didn't take advantage of the opportunity given to him, well, good luck to you Branden. All students at MSU and UM pay athletic fees to keep athletics going, and for me, I don't mind paying that a bit, except when an athlete wastes an education like that; which in turn means that he or she is wasting other students' hard earned money. So getting rid of an attitude problem may just be the spark that the Cats need.
 
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