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Cat running backs so far this season

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mthoopsfan

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Today Davis and Jones were:

Davis was 12-76, long of 33; couldn’t pick up 1 yard on the last play in OT

Jones was 9-30; he had 6 catches for 31

Two-game totals:

Davis - 17 - 92, O TD's - 5.4 per carry

Jones - 18 - 45, 2 TD's - 2.5 per carry - he's the conference pre-season offensive MVP and a first team rb

These don't seem like stats for all-world backs to me. And where is the OL on run-blocking?

Attendance was 22,117. The Cats have gotten their attendance going in recent years.

If I goofed up the stats, fix them. The Cats' website doesn't even have its two-game cumulative stats up yet.

Good thing the new Cat QB is a pretty good thrower and runner, but he needs to avoid turnovers.

The Cats probably have good potential, tho. Obviously, Oregon is very good, and SDSU is probably good or very good. Cats lost at home, though.
 
catgrizfan said:
People very much underestimated the extent to which Tommy made everyone else better. The kid made Vigen look much better than he is. The OL is hot garbage. Both teams did not look great. Didn’t get to see NDSU play yet. Things could be wide open this year.
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I too have said Mellott made everyone including backs look better. Mellott had to be accounted for on every play, even if he didn’t run much. I’m guessing Cats won’t be as good as last year. Can’t tell yet where Griz will get this year either. Not comparing teams. Griz run game is stronger, tho, right now.
 
Gillman is better than either Cat RB. They are learning the hard way how explosive and dynamic Mellott was. That slight bit of hesitation element that Mellott caused opposing defenses is no more and the RBs and O line are seeing it. Also, the Cats are a Lamson injury away from being a middle to bottom half Big Sky team….the way they have used him so far is putting them on track to this happening in the near future
 
They played two of the best teams in the country and made the same mistake the Griz made in the chipper by giving the ball to the wrong back when it mattered.
 
HikeGlacier said:
They played two of the best teams in the country and made the same mistake the Griz made in the chipper by giving the ball to the wrong back when it mattered.
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Jones is averaging 2.5 yards per carry this season, and 22.5 yards per game. Or do you mean Humphrey who is now at New Mexico. The Cats made the mistake of not blocking on the play, and not keeping their best back for the season. Two of the best teams in the nation? Pretty funny.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I too have said Mellott made everyone including backs look better. Mellott had to be accounted for on every play, even if he didn’t run much. I’m guessing Cats won’t be as good as last year. Can’t tell yet where Griz will get this year either. Not comparing teams. Griz run game is stronger, tho, right now.
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You can’t legitimately say the Griz run game is stronger being one game in against a D2 school, while the cats have played Oregon (who had a wider margin of victory over Oklahoma State than the cats) and SDSU. I would say the Griz backs are more talented, but this weekend will go a long ways toward that assessment.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Today Davis and Jones were:

Davis was 12-76, long of 33; couldn’t pick up 1 yard on the last play in OT

Jones was 9-30; he had 6 catches for 31

Two-game totals:

Davis - 17 - 92, O TD's - 5.4 per carry

Jones - 18 - 45, 2 TD's - 2.5 per carry - he's the conference pre-season offensive MVP and a first team rb

These don't seem like stats for all-world backs to me. And where is the OL on run-blocking?

Attendance was 22,117. The Cats have gotten their attendance going in recent years.

If I goofed up the stats, fix them. The Cats' website doesn't even have its two-game cumulative stats up yet.

Good thing the new Cat QB is a pretty good thrower and runner, but he needs to avoid turnovers.

The Cats probably have good potential, tho. Obviously, Oregon is very good, and SDSU is probably good or very good. Cats lost at home, though.
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that was the poorest job of running for 1 yard...he absolutely nosed dive as soon as he had the ball..I guess that happens when there is no push from that all world front O line they have......
 
catgrizfan said:
People very much underestimated the extent to which Tommy made everyone else better. The kid made Vigen look much better than he is. The OL is hot garbage. Both teams did not look great. Didn’t get to see NDSU play yet. Things could be wide open this year.
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By "people" I presume you mean "Scat fans"...because every Griz fan tried to tell them this exactly about Tommy Touchdown's impact. Denial is a river in Egypt...
 
AZGrizFan said:
By "people" I presume you mean "Scat fans"...because every Griz fan tried to tell them this exactly about Tommy Touchdown's impact. Denial is a river in Egypt...
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I think most fans underappreciated what Tommy did for the team. I think most Griz fans thought the cats had a dominant OL. I do not believe this to be true. Tommy's speed gave DLs a lot to think about and caused a lot of hesitation. This led to the RBs having great seasons...heck, Adam Jones was voted as the Big Sky preseason MVP. He is good, but I can think of four RBs better than him in the conference. Tommy kept drives alive with his legs, allowing the defense to stay off of the field. They were rested and played pretty well as a result. This year will be a different story against GOOD teams (the cats will beat the teams they are supposed to). I don't believe they will play great complimentary football. One good thing to come out of the game was the emergence of Great Falls' own Cole Taylor. He should take the Daly kid's place.
 
bigtyme said:
You can’t legitimately say the Griz run game is stronger being one game in against a D2 school, while the cats have played Oregon (who had a wider margin of victory over Oklahoma State than the cats) and SDSU. I would say the Griz backs are more talented, but this weekend will go a long ways toward that assessment.
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Yes, I sure can say that. I know the game. I guess you don't. Open your eyes. Obviously, you didn't get any football knowledge from your dad. Are you saying the Griz didn't learn anything about the Griz from the CW game? Are you picking Jones are offensive MVP of the conference? He isn't even really starting.

I would say: How can any knowledgeable football person not think, after watching Gilman and Rocker in the CW game, and watching the two Cat backs in their two games (and seeing the play of the 2 OL's, not think the Griz run game (and especially fb's) are stronger? Do you think Jones or the other Cat back will be conference player of the week this week over Gillman?
 
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mthoopsfan said:
Yes, I sure can say that. I know the game. I guess you don't. Open your eyes. Obviously, you didn't get any football knowledge from your dad. Are you saying the Griz didn't learn anything about the Griz from the CW game? Are you picking Jones are offensive MVP of the conference? He isn't even really starting.

I would say: How can any knowledgeable football person not think, after watching Gilman and Rocker in the CW game, and watching the two Cat backs in their two games (and seeing the play of the 2 OL's, not think the Griz run game (and especially fb's) are stronger? Do you think Jones or the other Cat back will be conference player of the week this week over Gillman?
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Oh boy. I used one game against a D2 school to compare the cats running game against two great teams at their levels. And that was it. You pulled a lot of assumptions out of my post. Great work.
 
I think at this point in the season, the stats say everything. Is there even a debate to be had on the running backs performances? How the Can’ts have remained in the top five is crazy. Can’ts had a once in a decade or longer player in Mellott. They lost players to NIL. They aren’t the team they used to be. Add in a coach who has the enthusiasm of a sloth and - voila! Back to middle of the pack in a weakened FCS. We now get to see if Vegan can recruit. The sky isn’t falling in Bozeman. It just isn’t as rosy as it once was. Vegan is Rob Ash 2.0 or worse.
 
bigtyme said:
Oh boy. I used one game against a D2 school to compare the cats running game against two great teams at their levels. And that was it. You pulled a lot of assumptions out of my post. Great work.
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You're talking about Oregon and SDSU, but fail to bring up the mediocrity of the rushing game against national powerhouse Mercyhurst. Your picked the stronger teams to make your point. CWU would have played a better game against Mercyhurst than the Cats did. We'll see how SDSU does this week against Mercyhurst. In the end, you'll see that the Cats aren't even close to the Griz rushing game this year.
 
cats played two of the toughest opponents that you can to start the season.
They followed that up with two very weak teams.
I figured after the two weaker teams their averages would have balanced out, rushing wise they have not plain and simple.
Only reason I'm taking time to comment on this is because of all the cat fans that claimed Mellot leaving would not have that big of effect on their rushing game.
 
-I honestly dont think the cat running game is going to look as good as it has been the last 3 years.
-New OC that seems to invest in the passing game
-Tommy has made some people better then they were
-Also, there has been significant turn over due to graduation, moving to different schools...ect
 
Hells bells said:
-I honestly dont think the cat running game is going to look as good as it has been the last 3 years.
-New OC that seems to invest in the passing game
-Tommy has made some people better then they were
-Also, there has been significant turn over due to graduation, moving to different schools...ect
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I’ve been saying for a long time now that any bobcat fan expecting to have a run game like they have had the last few years with Tommy is just a dumb fan. It is not rocket science. Tommy’s run game opened holes and exploited defenses in ways that they cannot do now. All of the defenders had to concentrate so much on Tommy and what he was going to do that it allowed Jones, Scottre, Davis etc to churn more yards and get bigger runs. That is gone now with no Tommy. This is literally the only variable you have to look at.
 
catgrizfan said:
People very much underestimated the extent to which Tommy made everyone else better. The kid made Vigen look much better than he is. The OL is hot garbage. Both teams did not look great. Didn’t get to see NDSU play yet. Things could be wide open this year.
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Didn't Vigen coach and develop Josh Allen?
 
Mavman said:
cats played two of the toughest opponents that you can to start the season.
They followed that up with two very weak teams.
I figured after the two weaker teams their averages would have balanced out, rushing wise they have not plain and simple.
Only reason I'm taking time to comment on this is because of all the cat fans that claimed Mellot leaving would not have that big of effect on their rushing game.
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Some people only see football through the lens of a TV screen. They don't understand what a +1 does to a defense. You can't attack and be overly aggressive because you have to be so disciplined to contain a player that can break open a game with 1 play. Like many have said, Tommy created the gaps because he was always the biggest threat, and edge players have to be disciplined. not the way many edge players like to play now.
 
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