Candidate Profiles - John Zamberlin (CFL/CWU/ISU)

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yes, the players both former and current love Ty. For a good reason too!

Why?

Please list at least 3 reasons.

 

[GrizzGriz]

I feel Haslam has taken a great step forward in the process. Getting feedback from the parents is a smart move. I know my stating so will bring on the attacks, but here is my reasoning. The parents received a promise from the University to take care of their son; not a promise of playing time, not a promise of winning championships, but a promise to take care of their son. This is a promise not to be taken lightly and this move by Haslam shows he he providing good faith to the promise made by the University.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Honestly what does it hurt to involve as many people as possible in the process? Informed decisions tend to be better than throwing a dart at a list. I have no doubt that KH will make the final decision and years down the road if it turns out to be good, he'll give credit to everyone who took the time to express their opinions and if it turns out bad, he'll take all the blame. That is what good leaders do. Good communication builds trust and it sounds like Kent is someone we can trust.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Honestly what does it hurt to involve as many people as possible in the process? Informed decisions tend to be better than throwing a dart at a list. I have no doubt that KH will make the final decision and years down the road if it turns out to be good, he'll give credit to everyone who took the time to express their opinions and if it turns out bad, he'll take all the blame. That is what good leaders do. Good communication builds trust and it sounds like Kent is someone we can trust.

In 38 years of employment, I've never gotten a say in who my boss was going to be.

 

[GrizzGriz]

Honestly what does it hurt to involve as many people as possible in the process? Informed decisions tend to be better than throwing a dart at a list. I have no doubt that KH will make the final decision and years down the road if it turns out to be good, he'll give credit to everyone who took the time to express their opinions and if it turns out bad, he'll take all the blame. That is what good leaders do. Good communication builds trust and it sounds like Kent is someone we can trust.

In 38 years of employment, I've never gotten a say in who my boss was going to be.

The University is not hiring the players' boss; they are hiring the players' coach. Someone who will be a mentor, teacher, role model and father figure (see my comment in previosus post) who will live up to the promise made by the University. The head football coach is not a boss to the players; the position is much more important.

 

[grzz]

I don't have a problem with it. As has been said already, I really doubt the parent's have a say in his final decision, so it does no harm for him to give a group occasional updates and even let them share their opinion.

He doesn't have to listen to it, and it is good management. Make them feel like they were part of the decision and they are more likely to buy in and support it.

It isn't uncommon for hires at the university to have a hiring committee that includes impacted students and/or community members. The final decision rested with whatever Director or VP the position fell under, but the committee would handle screening and narrowing of candidates.

Haslam is not using a committee in this case, and I think that is probably a good thing. But it is by no means unprecedented for a University to include students in the process. Parents I have never heard of, but again, in this case I think it makes sense.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Honestly what does it hurt to involve as many people as possible in the process? Informed decisions tend to be better than throwing a dart at a list. I have no doubt that KH will make the final decision and years down the road if it turns out to be good, he'll give credit to everyone who took the time to express their opinions and if it turns out bad, he'll take all the blame. That is what good leaders do. Good communication builds trust and it sounds like Kent is someone we can trust.

In 38 years of employment, I've never gotten a say in who my boss was going to be.

The University is not hiring the players' boss; they are hiring the players' coach. Someone who will be a mentor, teacher, role model and father figure (see my comment in previosus post) who will live up to the promise made by the University. The head football coach is not a boss to the players; the position is much more important.

Well, if your bosses haven't been mentors, teachers and role models (and yes, even father figures at times) I feel sorry for you. Having risen to the position of CEO and done lots of hiring and firing in my career, I can't imagine running a group of new hires for a leadership position by their potential employees and consulting with them (the employees) on their preferred choice.

There are many things about the program that the football players should be involved in...the decision about who the next head coach is shouldn't be one of those things. If, as the Griz dad said, they are merely being kept abreast of changes and progress in the process that's one thing, but to actively consult (which he ALSO said) parents and players is just not appropriate IMHO.

And it's ok to disagree on this. Just not something I would do if I were in Haslam's position right now.

 

[GrizzGriz]

Honestly what does it hurt to involve as many people as possible in the process? Informed decisions tend to be better than throwing a dart at a list. I have no doubt that KH will make the final decision and years down the road if it turns out to be good, he'll give credit to everyone who took the time to express their opinions and if it turns out bad, he'll take all the blame. That is what good leaders do. Good communication builds trust and it sounds like Kent is someone we can trust.

In 38 years of employment, I've never gotten a say in who my boss was going to be.

The University is not hiring the players' boss; they are hiring the players' coach. Someone who will be a mentor, teacher, role model and father figure (see my comment in previosus post) who will live up to the promise made by the University. The head football coach is not a boss to the players; the position is much more important.

Well, if your bosses haven't been mentors, teachers and role models (and yes, even father figures at times) I feel sorry for you. Having risen to the position of CEO and done lots of hiring and firing in my career, I can't imagine running a group of new hires for a leadership position by their potential employees and consulting with them (the employees) on their preferred choice.

There are many things about the program that the football players should be involved in...the decision about who the next head coach is shouldn't be one of those things. If, as the Griz dad said, they are merely being kept abreast of changes and progress in the process that's one thing, but to actively consult (which he ALSO said) parents and players is just not appropriate IMHO.

And it's ok to disagree on this. Just not something I would do if I were in Haslam's position right now.

Fully understand. I've hired coaches (yes, only at the high school level) and have used both approaches...it all depended on the situation. When I needed a football coach to take over a program that was 0-23 in the previous 2.5 years I was the "committee"...turned out great; won the state title going 11-1. When I needed a basketball coach to continue to build on what was already competitive, I did refer to "other's opinions".

By the way, don't feel sorry for me...I chose to be an educator in Idaho where leadership from above is, well, non-existent. Again, my choice to be here.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Honestly what does it hurt to involve as many people as possible in the process? Informed decisions tend to be better than throwing a dart at a list. I have no doubt that KH will make the final decision and years down the road if it turns out to be good, he'll give credit to everyone who took the time to express their opinions and if it turns out bad, he'll take all the blame. That is what good leaders do. Good communication builds trust and it sounds like Kent is someone we can trust.

In 38 years of employment, I've never gotten a say in who my boss was going to be.

I have. It turned out that it wasn't who I would have picked but since my opinion was heard the decision was couched in terms that I could relate to. Guy turned out to be a loser. They should have listened to me...

 

[krammer]

Honestly what does it hurt to involve as many people as possible in the process? Informed decisions tend to be better than throwing a dart at a list. I have no doubt that KH will make the final decision and years down the road if it turns out to be good, he'll give credit to everyone who took the time to express their opinions and if it turns out bad, he'll take all the blame. That is what good leaders do. Good communication builds trust and it sounds like Kent is someone we can trust.

In 38 years of employment, I've never gotten a say in who my boss was going to be.

I have. It turned out that it wasn't who I would have picked but since my opinion was heard the decision was couched in terms that I could relate to. Guy turned out to be a loser. They should have listened to me...

this whole discussion reminds me of "dilbert, the comic strip" ...everyone know that Dogbert will say anything to get the job done, but Dogbert makes the final ruthless decision......ha

 

[AZGrizFan]

In 38 years of employment, I've never gotten a say in who my boss was going to be.

The University is not hiring the players' boss; they are hiring the players' coach. Someone who will be a mentor, teacher, role model and father figure (see my comment in previosus post) who will live up to the promise made by the University. The head football coach is not a boss to the players; the position is much more important.

Well, if your bosses haven't been mentors, teachers and role models (and yes, even father figures at times) I feel sorry for you. Having risen to the position of CEO and done lots of hiring and firing in my career, I can't imagine running a group of new hires for a leadership position by their potential employees and consulting with them (the employees) on their preferred choice.

There are many things about the program that the football players should be involved in...the decision about who the next head coach is shouldn't be one of those things. If, as the Griz dad said, they are merely being kept abreast of changes and progress in the process that's one thing, but to actively consult (which he ALSO said) parents and players is just not appropriate IMHO.

And it's ok to disagree on this. Just not something I would do if I were in Haslam's position right now.

Fully understand. I've hired coaches (yes, only at the high school level) and have used both approaches...it all depended on the situation. When I needed a football coach to take over a program that was 0-23 in the previous 2.5 years I was the "committee"...turned out great; won the state title going 11-1. When I needed a basketball coach to continue to build on what was already competitive, I did refer to "other's opinions".

By the way, don't feel sorry for me...I chose to be an educator in Idaho where leadership from above is, well, non-existent. Again, my choice to be here.

You're in education? I automatically feel sorry for you. :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The University is not hiring the players' boss; they are hiring the players' coach. Someone who will be a mentor, teacher, role model and father figure (see my comment in previosus post) who will live up to the promise made by the University. The head football coach is not a boss to the players; the position is much more important.

Well, if your bosses haven't been mentors, teachers and role models (and yes, even father figures at times) I feel sorry for you. Having risen to the position of CEO and done lots of hiring and firing in my career, I can't imagine running a group of new hires for a leadership position by their potential employees and consulting with them (the employees) on their preferred choice.

There are many things about the program that the football players should be involved in...the decision about who the next head coach is shouldn't be one of those things. If, as the Griz dad said, they are merely being kept abreast of changes and progress in the process that's one thing, but to actively consult (which he ALSO said) parents and players is just not appropriate IMHO.

And it's ok to disagree on this. Just not something I would do if I were in Haslam's position right now.

Fully understand. I've hired coaches (yes, only at the high school level) and have used both approaches...it all depended on the situation. When I needed a football coach to take over a program that was 0-23 in the previous 2.5 years I was the "committee"...turned out great; won the state title going 11-1. When I needed a basketball coach to continue to build on what was already competitive, I did refer to "other's opinions".

By the way, don't feel sorry for me...I chose to be an educator in Idaho where leadership from above is, well, non-existent. Again, my choice to be here.

You're in education? I automatically feel sorry for you. :lol:

Ha! I know I'd sure like the hours and the summers, though.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well, if your bosses haven't been mentors, teachers and role models (and yes, even father figures at times) I feel sorry for you. Having risen to the position of CEO and done lots of hiring and firing in my career, I can't imagine running a group of new hires for a leadership position by their potential employees and consulting with them (the employees) on their preferred choice.

There are many things about the program that the football players should be involved in...the decision about who the next head coach is shouldn't be one of those things. If, as the Griz dad said, they are merely being kept abreast of changes and progress in the process that's one thing, but to actively consult (which he ALSO said) parents and players is just not appropriate IMHO.

And it's ok to disagree on this. Just not something I would do if I were in Haslam's position right now.

Fully understand. I've hired coaches (yes, only at the high school level) and have used both approaches...it all depended on the situation. When I needed a football coach to take over a program that was 0-23 in the previous 2.5 years I was the "committee"...turned out great; won the state title going 11-1. When I needed a basketball coach to continue to build on what was already competitive, I did refer to "other's opinions".

By the way, don't feel sorry for me...I chose to be an educator in Idaho where leadership from above is, well, non-existent. Again, my choice to be here.

You're in education? I automatically feel sorry for you. :lol:

Ha! I know I'd sure like the hours and the summers, though.

NOTHING would make up for having to spend 8 hours a day with hundreds of screaming teenagers.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Fully understand. I've hired coaches (yes, only at the high school level) and have used both approaches...it all depended on the situation. When I needed a football coach to take over a program that was 0-23 in the previous 2.5 years I was the "committee"...turned out great; won the state title going 11-1. When I needed a basketball coach to continue to build on what was already competitive, I did refer to "other's opinions".

By the way, don't feel sorry for me...I chose to be an educator in Idaho where leadership from above is, well, non-existent. Again, my choice to be here.

You're in education? I automatically feel sorry for you. :lol:

Ha! I know I'd sure like the hours and the summers, though.

NOTHING would make up for having to spend 8 hours a day with hundreds of screaming teenagers.

IDK, man. Every summer, every real holiday, every dumb holiday . . .
Think of all the activities you could do, so many activities!

 

[GrizzGriz]

Well, if your bosses haven't been mentors, teachers and role models (and yes, even father figures at times) I feel sorry for you. Having risen to the position of CEO and done lots of hiring and firing in my career, I can't imagine running a group of new hires for a leadership position by their potential employees and consulting with them (the employees) on their preferred choice.

There are many things about the program that the football players should be involved in...the decision about who the next head coach is shouldn't be one of those things. If, as the Griz dad said, they are merely being kept abreast of changes and progress in the process that's one thing, but to actively consult (which he ALSO said) parents and players is just not appropriate IMHO.

And it's ok to disagree on this. Just not something I would do if I were in Haslam's position right now.

Fully understand. I've hired coaches (yes, only at the high school level) and have used both approaches...it all depended on the situation. When I needed a football coach to take over a program that was 0-23 in the previous 2.5 years I was the "committee"...turned out great; won the state title going 11-1. When I needed a basketball coach to continue to build on what was already competitive, I did refer to "other's opinions".

By the way, don't feel sorry for me...I chose to be an educator in Idaho where leadership from above is, well, non-existent. Again, my choice to be here.

You're in education? I automatically feel sorry for you. :lol:

Ha! I know I'd sure like the hours and the summers, though.

Oh, ignorance is bliss isn't it...

 

[GrizzGriz]

IDK, man. Every summer, every real holiday, every dumb holiday . . .
Think of all the activities you could do, so many activities![/quote]

And I thought Idaho was alone in believing such ignorance...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Fully understand. I've hired coaches (yes, only at the high school level) and have used both approaches...it all depended on the situation. When I needed a football coach to take over a program that was 0-23 in the previous 2.5 years I was the "committee"...turned out great; won the state title going 11-1. When I needed a basketball coach to continue to build on what was already competitive, I did refer to "other's opinions".

By the way, don't feel sorry for me...I chose to be an educator in Idaho where leadership from above is, well, non-existent. Again, my choice to be here.

You're in education? I automatically feel sorry for you. :lol:

Ha! I know I'd sure like the hours and the summers, though.

Oh, ignorance is bliss isn't it...

Not really. Many of my family members are in education. Noble profession, but they can all plan around work. A teacher friend of mine played about 85 rounds of golf last summer. I get especially jealous this time of year.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I will let you know as a public school administrator I don't think you want my hours...

I will let you know that as a fourth year associate at a law firm, I absolutely do want your hours. How many hours did you work over the last four days (holiday weekend)? I billed 52.

 

[GrizzGriz]

You're in education? I automatically feel sorry for you. :lol:

Ha! I know I'd sure like the hours and the summers, though.

Oh, ignorance is bliss isn't it...

Not really. Many of my family members are in education. Noble profession, but they can all plan around work. A teacher friend of mine played about 85 rounds of golf last summer. I get especially jealous this time of year.

Now that the thread has been highjacked I'll state my hours only allow weekend activities (just like the "real world")...enough said about that...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Ha! I know I'd sure like the hours and the summers, though.

Oh, ignorance is bliss isn't it...

Not really. Many of my family members are in education. Noble profession, but they can all plan around work. A teacher friend of mine played about 85 rounds of golf last summer. I get especially jealous this time of year.

Now that the thread has been highjacked I'll state my hours only allow weekend activities (just like the "real world")...enough said about that...

That sounds awesome! Look, not trying to get into a pissing match, but teachers and administrators have it pretty good in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure you're a good one. As for me, I think I will lighten up considerably very soon.